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Dual chargers no longer an option

Dual chargers no longer an option

I see that Tesla has dropped down a number of options for the S and X. This makes sense from a production perspective. However, the dual charger or higher current charger, 72A for the X and the 80A for the S is not an option now it seems. The charging tables showing current level versus mph has changed. The higher level current rates are shown, but the max mph is around 30. I have dual chargers on my X and is a great option. There has been a number of times where having that quicker charge rate has been great to have. I would like to consider buying another X in the future and want the dual charger option. Will it be a service center installable option to add the dual charger option? It seems that a 60 amp feed is the max now for the wall chargers. 14-50 connection is for 50 amp. I guess what’s the point of a HPWC if you can’t use its full capability? Please help. I really could use the dual charger.

Thank you.

hammer @OR-US | November 16, 2018

The dual charger arrangement (40A for single, 80A for dual) was dropped quite a while ago. Then they went to a high power (72A) and a normal power (48A) setup with the 100's getting the high power unit. Now it appears they are only putting 48A in all X's and S's.

Tesla-David | November 17, 2018

I agree with OP, I have very much enjoyed having the capability to charge up to 80A with our 2012 HPWC, and gladly paid to get dual chargers in our 2012 MS and our 2015 MS 85D. The higher/faster charging has really helped, and I would very much have wanted that option in future MS purchases.

EVRider | November 17, 2018

The Model S100D I ordered on Nov 1 has the high amperage charger, according to the spec sheet. When did they remove It? I do see that it’s no longer mentioned here: https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/onboard-charger

sperlaky | November 17, 2018

It was just announced recently with not much fanfare about it. Tesla has done their homework on getting meaningful charging infrastructure out there. I’m sure for some people and their driving habits, this change is not a big deal. For others who drive a lot and need mph at home quickly, the high amperage option was great. I would hope upgrading at least at the service centers is an option. Removing the high output charger option almost makes the HPWC pointless. I have two HPWCs at home and I am only using one. The other one is for a future Tesla. I’m feeling like I wasted my money buying it.

TeslaTap.com | November 17, 2018

I'll also add that there are now many "off book" options. If you order at a store, you may be able to order the higher-power charger with your new car order, but you'd have to specifically ask for it. You can't get any of the off-book options online. Yes, that seems odd, but that's the way it is now.

Earl and Nagin ... | November 17, 2018

@sperlaky,
I can understand how you feel. I'm quite sure that, using the telematics, Tesla knows exactly how many of their customers actually use the high power feature. With this, I'm sure they've done a cost/benefit analysis and determined that the amount they would have to charge for the higher amperage charging to support the few who use it, doesn't make sense.
We have a 70 amp charger at home and find I seldom even use it with my Model 3. I usually just use the mobile connector that comes with the 3 and a 14-50 outlet in the garage where I park the 3. 32 to 48 amps will pretty much fill an empty car in 8 hours overnight. The only issue is if one wants to take advantage of Time-of-Use rates and do a full charge overnight. Then I find it is usually too much of a hassle to swap spaces.

sperlaky | November 17, 2018

Tesla-Tap, I appreciate that information. I did read some things about off the book options. I’ve been asking my local service center about it and they haven’t gotten back to me. It seems they didn’t even know about the changes. Hopefully, they can get me answer. Additionally, I found the higher current helps warm the battery on those cold mornings as I top off my charge from 70% to 90% to warm the battery, increase the range, and have a higher level charge on the battery just before I drive it.

sperlaky | November 17, 2018

Also, the HPWC allows faster charging and warming up cooling down the vehicle on house power before leaving, reserving the battery for on the road.

moonlamp.info | November 17, 2018

It was simply reported as of late with very little pomp about it. Tesla has gotten their work done on getting significant charging foundation out there. I'm certain for a few people and their driving propensities, this change is definitely not a major ordeal. For other people, who drive a considerable measure and need mph at home rapidly, the high amperage choice was incredible. I would trust updating in any event at the administration focuses is a choice. Evacuating the high yield charger alternative nearly makes the HPWC silly. I have two HPWCs at home and I am just utilizing one. The other one is for a future Tesla. I'm feeling like I squandered my cash getting it.
Source: http://moonlamps.net

EVRider | November 17, 2018

@Earl and Nagin: Even if you plugged your 3 into the 70A HPWC, wouldn't you still be limited to 48A?

rxlawdude | November 17, 2018

@EV, yes.

ravisundaramam | November 17, 2018

I started preheating the cabin while plugged in for the winter. It works as advertized, uses mains power to run the car and keeps the battery at my set level.

At work, 32 deg outside, 8:30 AM to 4:00 PM, the phantom drain is reversed! The phontom that was drinking electrons all summer, is quietly putting it back! I got six more miles at 4PM compared to the SOC I left in the morning. Is it an anomaly? Any explanations?

rxlawdude | November 17, 2018

Warmer temp.

Earl and Nagin ... | November 19, 2018

@EV,
As rxlawdude said: Yes, I only get 48 amps out of the 70 amp J-1772. That is still faster than one can get from my 14-50 outlet options.

sperlaky | December 10, 2018

Any other thoughts? I called Tesla and they are supposed to be verifying if this will be an “off menu” option.

jimglas | January 21, 2019

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barryviator | February 7, 2019

worse decision ever..

DermMD | February 9, 2019

Here's is a possible scenario: Tesla being a comprehensive renewable energy company is actually looking at becoming your full energy supplier with solar panels and solar roof. The 72A charger circuit needs about 100A circuit from your main panel if directly connected and a little more if going to a sub-panel before the HPWC. This arrangement cannot be supported by 2 powerwalls as is the typical full house back up setup. However, the 48A charger can be supported and so theoretically one could stay off grid with enough solar panels or a solar roof.

Tesla-David | February 9, 2019

@DermMD, I agree, your point makes sense to me, as I have Solar + 2 PW2's installed last June, and you are right, I have to limit my HPWC to stay within the output parameters of our PW2's. I normally charge our MS at 25A now, but could charge up to 35A. Fortunately, I don't need to charge at 80A, which I used to do with our 2012 HPWC prior to our PW2 installation. Makes sense that Tesla would design a system to stay within the parameters of being fully sustainable and offgrid. With our solar + PW2's we are net positive (252 percent last year), exporting 60 percent of solar energy back to grid after satisfying our all electric home + charging two Tesla's (MS and M3).

tracy | February 11, 2019

My Model S has the twin chargers and will charge at 80A in about 2.5-3hrs. regardless of level. My 2018 Model X 100D has the 48a charger and I am pissed It takes over 6 hrs to charge when low. My EV plan with cheap power is only from 12-6am so this is an issue. I was told the new X had the 72a charger but upon delivery on 12/31 we noticed it DID NOT have it and there was no time to get a different car with the tax credit expiring etc. I am currently dealing with my OA and Tesla on this. I am sure with EV TOU programs telsa must understand how long it takes to charge? I drive alot for work and sometimes come home with 10% or less on a 100KWH battery. That take a long time to fill back up at 48a.