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Forum Decorum

Welcome to the Wild West of forums!
To the new users here:

This is an unmoderated forum. This basically means that any discussion can go off topic and off the rails very quickly and there is no one to stop it.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on here but their comments can get drowned out by off topic or disruptive comments.

There is no search function. The only way to search is to go to google and put in site:forums.tesla.com search-term

You will see terms like “Troll”, and “Astroturfer”. Very basically, Troll’s are people who disrupt and distract the conversation just to upset people. “Astroturfer” is a more complex term as it relates to this forum, but in essence it is someone with ulterior motives.

The following are hopefully some helpful ideas if you would like to help keep this forum on topic and helpful to both yourself and others.

1. Read this, https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/please-read-first-posting-forums as it is the only official Tesla statement about behavior.
2. Please try to stay on topic as much as possible. What is the topic, it is what the OP(Original Post/er) wrote in their original post.
3. There are people who purposely get the discussion off topic just to disrupt the forum. Please try to not engage with them, no matter how much they egg you or anyone on. If you engage with them they will just keep going and going and going.
4. Try not to get too frustrated if someone tells you to read the manual, especially if you are “just trying to get a quick answer”. You can get the manual online in PDF format. You can actually SEARCH in a PDF unlike this forum.
5. If you ask a question about power, efficiency, battery degradation or anything similar, be prepared for a lot of technical information. Also be prepared for some users to make statements but not be able back them up with facts that you can verify.
6. If you don’t know the difference between kW and kWh, please acknowledge that fact and accept assistance on learning about the sometimes complex subject.

Disrupters will still disrupt, but we can try and not give them more fuel to continue disrupting.

Disclaimer: I am not a Tesla employee. I do own an LR RWD Model 3(Obsidian Black) and I do own TSLA stock. I also am not perfect.

derotam | November 7, 2019

This is not a thread to attack others. And if you feel the need, at least have the decency to point out your own flaws at the same time. Further, I will just nuke and re-post every time I see these types of attacks. Have a wonderful day!

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

Hey its your time man. This thread will devolve as it always does.

derotam | November 7, 2019

Ohh I know... Ohh and I am absolutely welcome to any well thought out and specific examples of how any specific part of my OP contradicts Tesla's own Reade Me post. Yes I acknowledge I am probably asking for a lot of nonsense posts in response to this but we will see how it goes. :)

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

i mean, how did it work out the first 12 times?

Joshan | November 7, 2019

It is odd that people argue with someone who only wants people to act like adults. Like he is somehow asking something crazy and unreasonable.

derotam | November 7, 2019

It has perfectly met my expectations.

WhiteWi | November 7, 2019

Let's rock and roll again

hokiegir1 | November 7, 2019

@Joshan - I don't think many people disagree with the topic so much as the method of execution. Repeatedly nuking a thread and reposting it is akin to spam, regardless of the topic of that thread. We've flagged/reported/called out others for the same behavior with different topics (I can think of 2 users specifically that have done this), so why should it be considered "right" just because this particular one is intended as helpful?

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

The part that i dont like is that FISH came back today after taking yesterday off, and no one will able to see how i roasted him.

WhiteWi | November 7, 2019

Can't wait when he sells his M3 and leaves for Kona forum.

Hp.1193 | November 7, 2019

Nonstop spam.

Magic 8 Ball | November 7, 2019

This thread, like the others, will only result in reinforcing the ambiguity if OP deletes the thread or it gets flagged away.

jimglas | November 7, 2019

its like Deja Vu all over again

Joshan | November 7, 2019

@hokiegirl good point. I guess the same rules should apply regardless of the content of the post. I will gracefully bow out of this discussion.

PteRoy | November 7, 2019

Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something.

derotam | November 7, 2019

@hokiegirl: ahh yes and should we all get into a discussion as to what exactly meets the technical definition of "spam"? Even if we did, people would disagree...and how would it be enforced and by who.

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

McDonalds offers two thousand calories

jebinc | November 7, 2019

Disfunction junction... two miles down the road from Camp Run-A-Muk.

raqball | November 7, 2019

jebinc | November 7, 2019
Disfunction junction... two miles down the road from Camp Run-A-Muk.
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That's a good descriptor... :)

howard | November 7, 2019

This thread should be moved to general and/or flagged as inappropriate. I think the 6th or 7th time is more than enough.

jimglas | November 7, 2019

I think 15 is the appropriate number

derotam | November 7, 2019

So are you saying that none of the post applies to the Model 3 forum?

hokiegir1 | November 7, 2019

@detotam - It's enforced by forum users who flag it. I'm sure not everyone agrees with my assessment that multiple reposts of the same thing constitutes spam -- and that's ok. To each their own. I do flag it every time you have posted it after the 2nd (I give the benefit of the doubt for 2 -- after that, fair game). Clearly, others don't feel the same way, since it's been around long enough for you to delete it yourself each subsequent time. I did the same with the prior posters who delete/get flagged away and repost. But that's how it's enforced and decided, since it takes xx number of flags to have something poofed.

derotam | November 7, 2019

@hokiegirl: So if I had only posted it once, it would have been ok to you?

hokiegir1 | November 7, 2019

Once or even twice, yes. I didn't flag either of those. I have flagged a handful of the subsequent reposts (not all -- I don't have that kind of time sometimes).

derotam | November 7, 2019

Ok, so then if I had just left it up, and instead of getting rid of all the crap I just left it, and then whenever the post ended up on the second page I replied to some random comment in the thread to keep it on the first forum page, that would be ok? This would be instead of me just doing a "bump".

howard | November 7, 2019

derotam | November 7, 2019
So are you saying that none of the post applies to the Model 3 forum?

Respectfully it should be a post in the "Please Read First Before Posting On The Forums" thread or moved to the general forum. The fact that you have deleted and reposted this thread is spam and frankly abuse that should be stopped by Tesla. If they actually had a moderator it would have been already. Please delete and move on as you have been asked to repeatedly.

lbowroom | November 7, 2019

There is no way to politely reason with a deceptive entity. Good propaganda is at least half true, you can't remove the chocolate syrup from a chocolate shake after it's blended.

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

Model 3 section is where this topic applies to. People who regularly use General section do not need this reminder. I think its purpose in this section is relevant, and i think the past few weeks of threads and comments support that notion.

lbowroom | November 7, 2019

Maybe chocolate chips from ice cream is a better analogy. You can do it, buts it messy and difficult

derotam | November 7, 2019

@howard: But that thread is locked.

Again to you as well howard, just in regards to the "spam" concept...if I just stopped deleting it and then every time it goes to page 2 I reply to a comment to get it back on page 1, does that keep the post from being viewed as "spam" to you?

hokiegir1 | November 7, 2019

@derotam - I do not consider "bumps" spam in the manner you are suggesting. I do think necro-posts by bots with random links are spam, but in those cases, I flag the specific reply, not the main post.

hokiegir1 | November 7, 2019

And to clarify, I'm not trying to sway anyone to one side or another. I'm explaining my personal definitions as I apply them to this board and the actions *I* take based on those. Whether people agree or not is fine. I generally don't comment when I flag something, unless it's especially egregious or in that case where people were testing the flag count needed.

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

I dont comment that i flag something either, because that kind of defeats the purpose of ridding the thread of spam. Where after the spam gets removed, whats left is your comment that has no context.

Magic 8 Ball | November 7, 2019

FLAGGED or NOT

vmulla | November 7, 2019

I think @hokiegir1's responses on this thread should be kept as guidance. I love the discussion - both @derotam and @hokiegir1. Nice intentions, different approaches >thumbs up<

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

@M8B

Thats the next new hit website.

PteRoy | November 7, 2019

Is a hippopotamus really a hippopotomus or just a really cool opotamus?

bddaughe | November 7, 2019

The issue is you are posting something on a forum that you want no one to respond to. Then, it should be a sticky. Oh way, you can't create a sticky, because you aren't a Tesla employee as you state. So, being an entry in a forum, be prepared that anyone can respond to it.

Hp.1193 | November 7, 2019

The fact that this post has been posted 10+ times should give an indication that nobody gives a fuck.

Kick rocks, move on.

derotam | November 7, 2019

@hokiegirl: Thank you for the friendly debate.

Everyone has their own personal definitions of things such as spam, obscene, vulgar, hateful, etc. We all act based on our own ideas and definitions of things. Also, whether or not we intend to sway other people's opinion on something, our actions and words still can and do have that effect.

I also agree with @andy's comment concerning flagging. Sometimes, flagging at the same time as responding to or engaging with the post you are flagging has the effect of muddying the thread.

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

A Hippopotamus is really Optimus

derotam | November 7, 2019

@bddaughe: yes, but some people have made statements... and I'll paraphrase and combine....if Tesla doesn't actively prevent someone from doing something, and it is allowed in the forum software, then carry on.

Just as flagging posts relies on personal opinion, why cannot one use that same opinion to rid their thread of offending material(as per their interpretation of the Tesla Read Me post)?

TeslaTap.com | November 7, 2019

@derotam, I like your thread and the ideas it presents. I also think it's clever to dump it when the FUDsters start attacking (none so far today), although that may just attract them more. Sort of a no-win situation.

andy.connor.e | November 7, 2019

spam attack or not, comments keep this thread on the top which has been consistent.

WhiteWi | November 7, 2019

This thread is pointless but entertaining sometimes.

derotam | November 7, 2019

@andy.connor.e: That is another good point...I have never once refreshed this thread because of it having dropped to the second page. And it has dropped to the second page I think twice now.

derotam | November 7, 2019

I have also not been the one to bring it back from the second page by any means.

Bighorn | November 7, 2019

I certainly got the impression that this thread was just being refreshed by the OP and not repeatedly flagged off by an angry mob. It seemed to have served as a lounge of sorts the other day with free form chatting. The thread we've had on the Model S forum with now TeslaTap's primer on all things Tesla for many years serves a similar purpose for random communication and bumps to keep it active. This place lacks a dedicated place for that and it's common for car forums to have an off topic lounge, that often over time become the go-to place because the original subject matter is pretty sorted. The General forum can't always serve that function if it's developed a distinct, entrenched list of players. For me it's been a place to avoid over the endless back and forth on AGW and other binary debates that don't ever seem to achieve much.

hokiegir1 | November 7, 2019

I do agree that an OT/general chat thread would be nice. I don't venture out to the other ones here (with the exception of when I had some loaner Model X questions). I very rarely care if a thread I start takes an OT turn. That's the nature of conversation.

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