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FRESNO: THE BLACK HOLE OF EV CHARGING

FRESNO: THE BLACK HOLE OF EV CHARGING

In trying to plan a trip into the Sierras out of Fresno, I have found that after Coalinga there is nothing. Along the 99 there is no Blink, no Chargepoint, the Nissan dealers are (pick your favorite bad word), an RV park wants to charge me $35 to charge in Fresno and So-Cal Camp Edison (Shaver Lake) only has chargers in a few RV spaces with are booked through summer and closed all winter.

To compound this, looking at the Supercharger projection map it appears that there are no plans for the 99. It appears they will be bulding up the 395 only. Any suggestions would be appriciated.

shs | July 17, 2013

We live in Mariposa and feel your pain, although since we charge at home, it is really not a problem for us, but rather for others visiting the area. We charged once at the High Sierra RV site in Oakhurst and they reserved a spot for us for $10 for a "few hours" charging in the evening. The Air Pollution Control District in Fresno has 2 J1772s, but they are open only during business hours and are often in use. Mariposa has an RV camp at the fair grounds with lots of 14-50. Not sure how much they would charge for a charge, but I'll ask. BTW, I have found that about 1/2 of the Nissan dealers on 99 say they would let me charge, but have never needed to. The other half, as you say......

Michael S | July 17, 2013

@shs: "The Air Pollution Control District in Fresno has 2 J1772s"

i have heard that these were not open to the public. Do you have confirmation from anyone that they actually allow public use?

shs | July 17, 2013

The place I referenced is:

San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District - Fresno, CA
1990 E. Gettysburg Avenue
Fresno,CA 93726

On Carstations it is listed as two public stations. I charged there once, briefly, to test it out. Got 30 amps - no problem other than the restrictive times they are open. The charging stations are right inside the gate, off to the right a bit.

shs | July 17, 2013

Here is an image (I hope) of the charging site.

Note that the hours of operation are 7:30 to 5:30.

DJay | July 17, 2013

The entire central valley seems to be lagging on EV charging. I go into the Turlock area twice a month and have to drive to Patterson to stay and charge at the Best Western Hotel. Its a pity and the valley has some of the worst Air in the nation.

DLM270 | July 17, 2013

I experienced the pain of no charge stations in Clovis, while visiting my son on a weekend. The local Nissan dealer said 'no way' when I asked. The other locations were closed for the weekend, so I was stuck with 120volt charging for the entire weekend to have sufficient charge to reach Gilroy Monday morning.

herkimer | July 17, 2013

Look for 14-50 in RV campground sites. Faster than other options, seemingly everywhere.

herkimer | July 17, 2013

Pardon. I had not read the post. All booked. Feel the pain, may have the same problem shortly.

CalDreamin | July 18, 2013

I made an overnight trip from SF East Bay to Fresno last weekend in my S85. Called a number of hotels but no EV charging, other than one place with 110V, not good enough to get me home. I ended up leaving the S85 overnight at an RV park on a NEMA 14-50, and walked to a nearby hotel. It was $35 to rent an RV slot overnight; the owner said I was the first to ever request EV charging there (I added the location to Plugshare).

Plugshare lists a few private residences with available EV charging in the Fresno area, including one guy who has a 60 Amp J1772 (though not close to Hwy 99).

Recargo lists a private residence with available 48 Amp Tesla Roadster charging in Fresno.

Hwy 99 needs some supercharger love.

Michael S | July 18, 2013

Thanks all.

@caldreamin: Yeah, I think I called your $35 an hour guy.

@djay: thanks for the best western patterson listing. new to me. is it a j1772?

CalDreamin | July 18, 2013

@Michael, the RV Park didn't charge me $35 an hour. My car was there about 12-13 hours over night, during which it range charged after driving 177 miles to get there from the SF Bay Area. I believe $35 is what they charge RVs for a full day in an RV slot. They don't have a different pricing structure for EVs. I reserved an RV slot several days in advance and when I got there it was the only available RV slot. So looking at it from their perspective, I can see why they charged my EV the same as an RV.

Maybe if there is more interest, they will install some NEMA 14-50s at regular car parking spaces, rather than having EVs take up entire RV slots.

TeslaOwnerBlog | July 18, 2013

It would be great if there was a supercharger in this area allowing us to drive to Yosemite!

DJay | July 18, 2013

@Michael. The Best Western in Patterson is J1772 and is Free if you buy a meal or spend the night. There are 6 ChargePoint Stations.

KWTESLA | July 18, 2013

Michael S
Where is the pain my Model S 85 goes to Fresno and back home on a single charge no problem.
Yes they have no Superchargers as yet on 99. Most of us are charging at home anyway. I could easily drive to the Tejon Ranch Super Charger down 99 Hwy distance 221 Miles . A max charge would take me there. My first long trip to LA I stopped at all the Superchargers ( not needed ) . You discover that a rolling Tesla S does better than your rated average range. My average usage for 7000 miles is about 322 watts/ mile . On driving Hwy 5 that drops to about 312 watts /mile going the limit with cruise control and A/C on. It was 109 degrees that day also. My calculator says 85KW pack /312watts/ mile = 272 miles. Yosemite is 70 miles away that would be an easy trip for us also. We took Del Puerto Canyon Road on our way back from the Service center that was fun. You have a battery warranty 8 years get started drive the Car.

Michael S | July 18, 2013

@KWTESLA--

Wow....Yeah, well I have been driving electric cars for four years now. But thanks for the lesson??

As my Model S is now 25k miles old the range is limited to 256 on full charge. As I said, i will be driving into the Sierra mountains that will suck a lot of juice and I WILL need to charge somewhere in the north valley. But thanks anyway.

Michael S | July 18, 2013

@djay: funny i never noticed the patterson locations before on the chargepoint map.

Now i see them.

CalDreamin | February 5, 2014

Sun Country Highway shows a pending installation of a CS-60 J-1772 charging station at the Best Western Plus airport Hotel in Fresno. There will finally be a hotel in Fresno with decent EV charging.

ghurenkamp | February 9, 2014

Drove by and spoke to operations manager at the hotel. The station is expected to be operational around 2/20/14. Two clearly marked EV spots in the font of the hotel, near the main entrance.

http://www.recargo.com/sites/11804

djm12 | February 11, 2014

Yep. Fresno is terrible - and it's the southern gateway to Yosemite. I've even thought about installing a HPWC at the Fresno Lao Monestary for Tesla owners to use.

DonS | February 11, 2014

I had to go San Jose to Clovis (just outside of Fresno). I made it via Gilroy to Harris Ranch to Clovis and back to Gilroy. The Harris Ranch stop probably added an hour to the driving time, but it worked.

G. | February 11, 2014

Isn't Fresno by far the largest city in America not served by an Interstate highway?

TeslaModelSOwner | February 11, 2014

They are putting in a Supercharger in the Manteca area on the corner of 99 and 120 so that should provide relief

negarholger | February 11, 2014

dirtiest CA cities in the US

#1 Fresno
#2 Bakersfield
#5 Modesto
#6 Riverside
#8 San Jose
#9 Stockton
#12 Sacramento
#17 Los Angeles

Fresno, Modesto, Bakersfield are along the 99... and no superchargers planned along 99. That area needs some serious EV love.

johnanniegibson | April 14, 2014

The California Energy Commission announced that Fresno State will receive a grant of more than $397,000 for construction of an on-campus electric vehicle charging station.

The charging station, scheduled to open in September 2015, will be built in parking Lot P2, near the intersection of Woodrow Avenue and Matoian Way, west of the Save Mart Center. There will be six charging stalls — four “Level 2” stalls (two- to three-hour charging) and two “quick-charge” stalls (20- to 30-minute charging). The spaces will have public-friendly pay-by-phone capacity.

California Governor Jerry Brown signed an executive order in 2012 laying the foundation for 1.5 million zero-emission vehicles in the state by 2025.

“The potential of our region is practically untapped,” said Bob Boyd, Fresno State’s associate vice president for Facilities Management. “Building this charging station supports current electric vehicle owners, encourages faster growth by making it convenient and demonstrates Fresno State’s environmental leadership.”

Lot P2 already includes 750 parking spaces covered with solar panels used to generate about 20 percent of the university’s power needs.

There are currently only three other electric vehicle Level 2 charging stations in the Fresno area, at the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District office, Schneider Electric and a Nissan dealership. The quick-charge stalls will be the first in the region.

Boyd said constructing a major charging station on campus will help alleviate range anxiety for commuters from surrounding cities where charging areas are scarce.

For more information, contact Boyd at 559.278.2373 or robertb@csufresno.edu.

Captain_Zap | April 14, 2014

I wonder what they are basing those charging rates on. Two to three hours in a Volt? A Leaf? A Tesla? Is quick charging compatible with other cars. How many amps or kW?

Is that 260 miles? 40 miles? 20 miles?

The people in charge of these public projects need a better education on what measuring stick is appropriate.

Bighorn | April 14, 2014

@zap Not a Tesla, but my thoughts exactly.

CraigW | April 14, 2014

Try joining PlugShare. There are several NEMA 14-50s and J1772s around the Fresno area.

I find it helps to belong. I also have a ChargePoint card and belong to Blink (only for emergencies). When traveling it never hurts to be prepared.

negarholger | April 14, 2014

I really don't understand why the Central Valley ( highway 99 ) seem to be completely ingnored by Tesla... worst air polution in the US and National Parks can be served.

johnanniegibson | April 14, 2014

The best western hotel near the Fresno airport installed some chargers. That will help the Yosemite travelers some.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/business&id=9499850#

JoeFee | April 16, 2014

DO NOT waste your time/range driving to Blink chargers....3 out of 3 were down even though they were listed as open last week wasted 30 miles trying to gain 40 miles.

sorka95032 | June 18, 2015

Still no permits pulled to build a supercharger in Fresno. It has more people than Sacramento and 99 has way more traffic than 5 does traveling from the top to the bottom of the state. It intersects 3 major highways connecting NorCal, SoCal, Yosemite, and the coast. The map used to show a location in 2015 earlier this year but now it's disappeared and only shows up in 2016. When you click the 2015 map and see just how many more locations are planned for California, it's amazing that the Central Valley doesn't have a single one planned for it and what you see is big open area in the Central Valley surrounded by a sea of super chargers. For those that care about this location, please send a request to Tesla through the support contact page.

DTsea | June 18, 2015

I guess i dont get it. If you supercharge at harris ranch, fresno is only 50 miles away. If you live in fresno that is also easy. What is the problem?

DTsea | June 18, 2015

If its just that OP prefers driving on 99.... well you CAN get to fresno with I5 superchargers.... so Tesla priority should be to open up new areas with SC coverage, not to cover every possible alternate route.

TeslaTap.com | June 18, 2015

Yep, I'd find it convenient to have a Supercharger between Fresno and Visalia. If you're in the Valley, going 100+ miles out of your way to Harris Ranch is not ideal. I suspect Tesla rates locations in part by the number of cars sold in various geographic areas. The more cars the more Superchargers. Then some SCs are placed between high-ownership areas to provide good travel routes. I can see the Fresno area as a desirable SC location, but not a top priority by Tesla. If it's planned for 2016, maybe it's only 6 months away :) or 18 months:(

negarholger | June 18, 2015

DTsea - 99 is the gateway to 3 great National Parks. Getting a boost before you go up the elevation would be helpful.

DTsea | June 18, 2015

Sure Kleist. I have been there... but CA has a ton of superchargers and lots of other places have none. WA has very high model S sales and only 4 superchargers. Nothing on route 2 (northern path through cascades.) Nothing on olympic peninsula, tri cities, yakima.... but we get that I5 and I90 are covered (barely) and that gets the long distance trunk routes.... whereas seems like CA owners want superchargers every last place. I merely suggest that completing cross country routes, connecting winnipeg, etc, are higher priority.... not that a fresno sc wouldnt be handy someday.

shs | June 18, 2015

As I just posted in the National Parks thread, eVgo now has CHAdeMO chargers in Fresno that charge reliably at 140+ MPH almost 10 times faster then many level 2 chargers. So if you have a CHAdeMO adapter and an eVgo card, Fresno is now on the EV charging map!

These new CHAdeMO chargers allow me to get home to Mariposa/Yosemite directly up 99 from Tejon without having to go via Harris Ranch. There is also another eVgo CHAdeMO north of Merced in Atwater that comes in handy if coming from the North.

sorka95032 | June 18, 2015

Yea, but have seen that CHAdeMO adapter? It like takes up almost the entire storage bin :)

shs | June 18, 2015

@sorka95032,

I thought the CHAdeMO adapter was silly at first and certainly is BIG. I sort of bought it as a whim not sure how much, if at all, I would use it. That said, it has certainly made my EV life much better. A few days ago I needed to take an unplanned trip to Fresno and the car was not fully charged as I would do for a planned trip. No problem, just a quick CHAdeMO charge while visiting the Apple Store and I was home with lots of spare miles!

mark1ev | June 18, 2015

Best Western Plus Fresno Inn

480 E. Shaw Ave
Fresno, California 93710
559-475-9539
Destination charging...

sorka95032 | June 18, 2015

@ mark1ev, I've tried to charge there on their HPWC and they said no. Not with a fee and not as a patron in the restaurant. I was told I had to be an overnight guest.

DonS | June 18, 2015

Going through Fresno tomorrow into the hills a bit. I decided there is no way to take the Tesla without a 4 hour stop for a slow charge, or a 50 mile detour to Harris Ranch plus a 2 hour slow charge. So I'll be driving the Toyota while the Tesla is staying home.

I go to the Fresno area several times a year, and that is the one place I travel that is still "broken" for Tesla charging.

sorka95032 | June 18, 2015

Please make sure to request a Fresno super charger under Model S Owner Feedback:

http://www.teslamotors.com/contact

Robinskalsky | June 18, 2015

As someone who goes from Sacramento to Socal quite a please put one near Fresno! 99 is a better route than 5 for me, Less Hills and the wind between Harris Ranch and Manteca! That Leg really kills me going back to sac.

One on 99 would also off load some use from Harris ranch for those of us going the 99 route instead of 5.

sorka95032 | July 14, 2015

Yea. I can't understand why they're adding more to Harris ranch when many of the travelers being forced to go out of their way by going through Harris ranch would rather stop in Fresno.

SCCRENDO | July 14, 2015

Just posted a thread on a trip from Socal to Yosemite. No charging problems due to the Chademo in Fresno and destination charging at the Tenaya Lodge. However I could forsee the Chademo filling up. The 99 is also a better route than the 5 and I would support a supercharger in Fresno

eye.surgeon | July 14, 2015

Rumor has a supercharger in the Fresno area in 2016, possibly at the Tulare outlets. Another suggested possibility is in the Fresno riverpark area.

As a Fresno resident it doesn't matter to me much since I charge at home, but it certainly is the biggest gap in the supercharger network in California. The Harris Ranch charger serves the I5 corridor which is a completely different travel network than 99.

negarholger | July 14, 2015

@DTsea - sure, I do not intend to complain or compete with the needs of other parts of the country.

Central Valley (99) has the worst air quality in the US.

At work we had 2 Leafs for years, but once I got my MS then it took off and within 2 years we have now 50-60 EVs. A similar effect I hope for the Central Valley and 99 is just a too good of an opportunity so far imo overlooked by Tesla.

sorka95032 | July 14, 2015

If you build it, they will come. Having been at several parties in the last few months in Fresno there has been lots of interest in my MS. Tons of questions. Lots of insane mode demo launches, etc, etc.

Many of these people drive up and down the central valley for business. It kills me to have to tell them after all that interest that there's no place they can charge traveling the hundreds of miles up and down valley without resorting to slower chargers or expensive and questionable level 3 options.

renwo S alset | July 14, 2015

Fresno is a black hole... Period.

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