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GEN III Request to Elon Musk & Tesla Management - Please read

GEN III Request to Elon Musk & Tesla Management - Please read

I believe I am speaking for millions of compact sports sedan lovers.

Anxiously dreaming to see a sketch and clay model for the GEN III. If it at the same level I would like to give the following suggestions, which could easily award Tesla with sales by the hundreds every day if this vehicle is priced around $35K (base) to $50K fully loaded:

- Please design the most sleek vehicle ever. Take advantage of no engine in the front and make it low and sporty. Kind of low height. OK if seats in the back are not that roomy, I think it is more important car is stylish, nice visibility in the windshield to make it fun to drive. Sports lines the way people never dreamed a sedan could be, the way only Tesla can deliver. No bigger than a 2012 328i. I would say size of Audi A4 2006 could be even better.

- Interior should be clean lines, aluminium trim option. I can imagine the console can so compact given most components are electronic. A very simple console should keep costs down as well.

- Keep option for a 17'' wheel, wide wheels.

- Keep nice enclosed door handles like the Model S. If it has to cost $2K more or so, so be it.

Shows a nice clay model, put the reservation system in place and I want to be the first to deposit the money for reservation.

Glod Bless you and God Bless America.

EQC | February 28, 2014

I like all the ideas above. Some other hopes for my interests:

- Options like "regular profile wheels" for those willing to sacrifice some performance for lower initial cost and cheaper/longer lasting tires throughout ownership. By all means, though, allow an option for bigger wheels and wide/lo-pro tires too.

- Keep third row jump seats if at all possible. This really sets the Model S apart from other current cars (tons of wagons had this type of seating a couple decades ago). An option for a cramped third row is better than no option at all. Many people with 2 (or more) kids and the occasional need to travel with 3 adults in the car would relish this feature. I'd much rather drive a tight 7-seat tesla than an SUV or Van.

- As with the Model S, don't group options in the greedy way other manufacturers do. I hate when other manufacturers use non-related "options packages" that group an upgraded radio with a sports package, etc.

- Keep a big battery option with an unlimited mile warranty.

- Great aero and aero options for efficiency. Sleek door handles like MarlonBrown said. An option for aero wheels to enhance range. I know these weren't popular and got discontinued on the S. Maybe a better solution (for selfish me) would be for smallish aero wheels with regular profile LRR tires to be standard. The EPA rated range would therefore be higher, and anybody who didn't like that option would pay to upgrade to sportier choices.

- Spare tire option. Even if it takes up the Frunk, it would be nice to have a Tesla-approved tire I can throw in the car when I need to travel through the boonies where roadside assistance would be slow.

Brian H | March 1, 2014

You will both be disappointed. 5 seats, family car, aimed at the large demographic bulge, not just the fun-lovers.

Timo | March 1, 2014

Model E is, Gen III OTOH is platform with a lot of models will be based, including a sport car. You just need to wait for that a bit longer.

TeslaWestCoast | March 2, 2014

I only have a short list of must-haves for the Gen III Tesla.

1. Excellent range : even if this is an added option, the car must have an available battery pack with comparable range to the 85kWh MS.

2. Stylish interior : personally, I would prefer high-end cloth seats, but I know many buyers will want leather in a $35-$50k vehicle. Keep the infotainment screen - this is definitely one of the features that sets Model S apart, and should be kept for Gen III.

3. Sporty-looking exterior : a coupe would be preferable for me, but I realize this is not the mass-market aim for the Gen III. A four door with the size and sporty design of a Lexus IS or Infiniti Q50 would be awesome.

NKYTA | March 2, 2014

Tesla, design it with 200 mile range, design it to look great (we know you can do that!), all the rest will be gravy. Put my wife #2 on the reservation list - she can't wait! Our MS is too big for her.

TSLAholic | March 2, 2014

Make it RWD, so it handles like a Tesla. I'm comfortable leaving everything else in the hands of the engineers.

lewille | March 3, 2014

Following TeskaWestCoast on this one with a great emphasis on 1
Range is more important than anything else.

MarlonBrown | March 3, 2014

For the folks saying I could get disappointed, according to Van H. (Tesla Chief Designer) the GEN III will be as cool as anything Tesla has done, and actually may be more aggressive lines.

I think it is possible to deliver a commpact 4 door sedan, but appealing as only Tesla knows how.

By the way, I suggest the name adopted is not "Model E". If "E" is really for everyone, it should be the case. A $35K+ car is not for everyone and quality comes at a cost.

The importance of quality should be stressed.

Let Nissan, GM, etc develop mass market EVs and decrease pricing.

Tesla keeps competing against BMW and Benz and that is fine.

daoops | March 3, 2014

I thought "E" was for economic.. And Tesla will do a cheaper high volume car, thats the whole purpouse.
And regarding the name, these are only project names so far (gen 3, bluestar, model E), final product name could very well be anything else.

Timo | March 3, 2014

I think Model E will be Model E, otherwise you won't have S, E & X.

pinnacle_fitness | March 4, 2014

not sure if it has been addressed by tesla yet or not but a request that a lot of the model E hopefuls probably won't appreciate is that the model E not be able to use the superchargers. Unless there is a plan to drastically increase the number of chargers per location and number of locations of superchargers beyond the locations projected by the end of 2015 i can see it causing some serious issues. Many people who purchased the model S were willing to fork over 100k for their vehicle because of the SC stations and the convenience they offer but if model E goes into production and has access to them they will quickly become over crowded and more of a headache than a benefit. its ok to have to occasionally wait behind one car for half an hour or so to charge but the model E will be sold in such high quantities compared to the model S that the SC will become severely backed up especially since some locations have as few as 4 charging stations.

anyone have any information on this issue?

Brian H | March 4, 2014

Yes, Elon has repeatedly, and recently, reiterated that ALL Tesla vehicles will be able to use the SCs. It will expand them as needed. For life. For free. Sales generate plently of cash to do so.

Most charging occurs elsewhere, at night, at home. Your concerns are baseless.

pinnacle_fitness | March 4, 2014

no need for an attitude brian.. charging occurs in different locations for everyone. i will not have an outlet readily available at home without running an extension cord out to the car so the majority of my charging will be done at the supercharger on my way to or from work which is why this is of concern to me

ill just hope that he continues to expand the supercharger network at the same rate he is now which will hopefully resolve the issue of high demand come 2017

Brian H | March 4, 2014

"the model E not be able to use the superchargers" is your false statement I was objecting to. This opinion has been expressed before, by those who can't imagine or don't really believe that the charging network can retain the current (!) design and priorities. Or who wish to introduce FUD. Hence my "attitude".

TeslaWestCoast | March 4, 2014

Fortunately, most of my charging will be done at home. If I can save up enough, I am hoping to have a high power wall connector and solar panels installed for my home as well to charge my Tesla.

I hope that the SC network continues to expand, eventually becoming as common as gas stations are today. Not only will the super-chargers become more common as the network is expanded, but the charging technology will continue to improve as well. This should result in shorter charging times and increased convenience for all Tesla owners using the SC network.

Timo | March 4, 2014

I hope that the SC network continues to expand, eventually becoming as common as gas stations are today

That will never happen for one simple reason: there is no need for that.

What I hope that TMC/Solarcity will figure out some sort of complete home charging package that can be sold to city dwellers as well. Large block of apartments etc. with no access to electric outlets at parking lots currently. Entire service, not just a gizmo that individuals can buy. Just slow charging outlet at every parking space would pretty much be enough for power point of view.

3seeker | March 5, 2014

Mr. Holzhausen, please make the Gen III look as cool as the 2015 C Class. The design is stunning!

http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/2015-mercedes-benz-c-class-pho...

Put a Tesla powetrain in that thing and I might not be able to wait for the Gen III...

3seeker | March 5, 2014

The Peugeot HX1 concept looks good too... like a flattened & stretched Venza. Quite futuristic, in my opinion.

http://m.motortrend.com/auto_shows/frankfurt/2011/1109_peugeot_hx1_conce...

Robert Fahey | March 5, 2014

Tesla could open this development process up for public input, creating a quasi-"wiki car." It could offer multiple choice questions (with images when possible) and even post an mock-up of the leading design, updated daily.

Timo | March 5, 2014

@ByeByeOil, with oddly-shaped humans it seems.

Brian H | March 5, 2014

Those dudes in the rear seem really interested in their knees.

TSLAholic | March 5, 2014

@Robert Fahey

They could do it for fun, maybe. Otherwise, I'm afraid we'd end up with a dream car of every hormone-enraged, video game-playing, streetracer wannabe teenager instead of a broad market-appealing sedan. Focus groups are just not Elon's thing.
I think actual design should be left to the physics of aerodynamics, with Franz making the final touches.

TeslaWestCoast | March 5, 2014

@ByeByeOil

Don't worry for a second about design of the Gen III Tesla. It will look every bit as awesome as any entry-level luxury vehicle coming out of Germany or Japan - probably even better!

There are 1,000's eagerly waiting for Gen III to be unveiled - Tesla will not disappoint.

3seeker | March 6, 2014

@TeslaWestCoast

I sure hope so. I'm really excited about getting my own Tesla!

EVolution | March 6, 2014

Make it in carbon fiber, 2900 pounds with a younger futuristic look with dual color carbon pannels. Be sure to fully optimize space and make it so the impact on ecology as little as it can be using only hydropower and windpower and renewable and recycled materials. And make it it 200 miles range.

Oh wait... This car already exists.... And is already rolling in the streets.

3seeker | March 6, 2014

@TeslaWestCoast

Yes, make it better looking & better performing than those German & Japanese luxury cars so that everyone would want to buy a Tesla! I can wait a little longer... Let the Model S & X sell like hotcakes in the meantime.

holidayday | March 7, 2014

Have it highly configurable in multiple trims.

Coupe
Roadster
Sedan
Convertible
Pickup
Wagon
Crossover
Limousine (okay, that's more for Model S/X)

Regular Doors
Suicide Doors
Winged Doors
Falcon Doors

Standard Trim (at $35K base price)
Performance (at $50K base price)(including more than just power/range)
Performance Plus (at $75K base price) (including more standard items than other trims - similar to "max out my Tesla" currently in the options)
Exotic Performance Plus (at 100K base price) You just know Tesla wants to outdo their own Roadster's performance to compete with Ferrari and Lamborghini.

Special / Custom / Hand Made: Create a completely different car with Tesla technology inside. For example, have Tesla create Chitty Chitty Bang Bang on the outside, Tesla on the inside. (For a nominal fee, of course; and an extra speaker in the "frunk" to make the "chitty chitty bang bang" sounds)

Keep it constructed from Aluminum for improved recyclability (that how you spell it?).

Mobile Solar option - when parked, solar panels expand to cover car to enhance charging at regular parking areas. (I know the disadvantages, but still recommend as optional)

Variable Tint option - darkens / lightens windows on command (or automated)

Auto Drive / Train Mode option: Work with other cars/ Teslas to create a car-train. Improves traffic flow in heavy traffic as well as reduces energy use by having most cars drafting off each other.

Energy Grid option: (you know, when there are a lot of cars plugged in during the day) Thousands of Tesla batteries helping assist the energy grid during peak usage hours. Depending on how it's implemented, people could get money back each time they assist the grid. This should be a free/standard item once energy companies agree that using nighttime extra energy can help during the day.

Drone Navigator option: Have Tesla drones show a live view of the road ahead instead of downloaded satellite photos from last year. Launched from your car, it leads or follows your car based on Navigator options. It lands/attaches to the car on command or automatically.

Okay, some of these items may be much farther in the future than I'd like.

Olof | March 7, 2014

And please, please keep the rear hatch like on the MS for the sedan version of ME.

This really sets the MS apart from all the silly and impractical sedans on the market, yet it looks just as good if not better than the nicest sedans out there.

jstack6 | March 8, 2014

The new Tesla is called Gen 3 by Tesla. It could become model C or E or maybe a name we haven't had yet.

It will be 20-25% smaller and I hope shaped just like it's big inspiration the S.

I even made a website with any facts I can gather on the Gen 3. We will all know more about the end of 2015.

http://teslawanabeowners.webs.com/

PorfirioR | March 8, 2014

I saw this Model E rendering today in the news:

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/new-tesla-model-e-rendering-78201.html

Brian H | March 8, 2014

Excellent.

TSLAholic | March 9, 2014

Not even close. Gen III will not resemble the MS. That is straight from the chief designer, and is not up for debate. Any renderings reminiscent of the MS claiming to be Gen III/Model E should be dismissed as inaccurate at this time.

Brian H | March 9, 2014

Au contraire. A strong family resemblance is the only parameter yet clarified.

grega | March 9, 2014

Everyone talks about the gen 3 platform for the new cheaper (Model E), and later a more-expensive sports car based on the gen3 platform. And @MarionBrown asked for the Model E to be a sports car... but I don't think that quite fits the plan.

But is there any reason to think Tesla wouldn't make the sports car first?

Brian H | March 9, 2014

Elon specified he would make a Gen-3 roadster. Requires that the platform exist, first.

grega | March 10, 2014

@BrianH, Either I need to see a smiley face on your post, or … rephrase?

The platform has to exist before either the family compact car or the sports car get made. Is there a reason to think they have to make the family compact car first?

Could they design them both but build the sports car first? They can charge higher, sell fewer and use less batteries while they line up the gigafactory.

Timo | March 10, 2014

Economics of scale and battery tech improvements. You get first from that affordable model and second with time. Mostly just priorities though, they don't need sport car sales right now.

As for family resemblance and not looking like Model S, I think both can be right and wrong at the same time. Laws of physics and practicality force a car look like it looks, that is why pretty much every modern car look alike. You need crumble zones, certain amount of interior space and streamlined exterior for aerodynamics.

Model S shape is very functional. Model E wont be much different just because it can't without losing some practicality.

Brian H | March 10, 2014

Relatively speaking, a roadster is a low-profit venture, because of volume. It is basically a distraction; Elon cares about hot cars, but he cares about wide adoption of EVs more. Developing a new roadster is not a trivial exercise, and would delay the ME. And would provide too small a "sink" for the Gigafactory's output.

jkn | March 10, 2014

So Gen-3 roadster could be build first, before gigafactory is ready. It would be a good idea to test Gen-3 platform with smaller production.

Energy Grid option: If charging is timed to off peak, Tesla balances grid usage even without feedback to grid. Feedback to grid is not possible before safety of electricians fixing broken lines is guaranteed. More important is ability to give power to another Tesla on the roadside or to home freezer after next storm.

grega | March 10, 2014

I've got no doubt that if they'll have plenty of batteries at the right time, they should go for high volume aimed at that time.

However, if they have more model S orders than expected, more model X, then a lower volume higher profit would fit.

Not saying that's the way it is. Just wondering if it's possible.

jkn | March 10, 2014

Going quickly for high volume with new product involves a risk. It is much cheaper to fix 10000 cars than 100000 cars. So first years production numbers will be low anyway. Why not make higher profit road test cars first?

Brian H | March 10, 2014

No chance. The design and tooling time, if nothing else, would seriously delay initiation of the Model E. 100% guarantee it will not happen in that sequence.

grega | March 10, 2014

@brianH.
For the record I'm not too concerned about guessing what they will definitely do (as nobody can read the future), just what the possibilities are, strengths and weaknesses of each idea, to understand the implications etc.

Though of course your answer is that there is NO possibility they would do the sports version first. You're making 2 points - that releasing the sports car would delay the mainstream EV and they wouldn't do that, and the sports car will not use enough capacity of the gigafactory. For you to be 100% sure that they won't do it, on those reasons, you'd have to be 100% sure that Model E won't be held back waiting on batteries. I've assumed the car might be ready before the massive increase in batteries… and this will cause car delays…. so that's the key difference.

@jkn yes that could be a way of testing the gen3 platform on a gen3 roadster. The concerns I'd have for that are launching a product (gen3 platform) that hasn't been fully refined for its primary purpose (low cost Model E), which might then bite gen3 roadster buyers a year later (either through problems with the platform, or having a slightly incompatible platform). But that's not insurmountable, and as you say they would improve the platform for the mass production car. So while increasing the need to fine tune the roadster base, it would decrease the need to fine tune the model E base.

My wish is the Model E asap, so I can purchase one. So I want to see the gigafactory moving forward asap :)

Dalec | March 10, 2014

Do a very limited production 4WD version of Model E, Performance Double Plus. 836 HP. Charge $200,000 for it. Create a "skunk works" within Tesla where your car fanatic engineers and craftspersons can build their own electric hot-rods (this is oh-so-SoCal). Call it Area 52. Hand-build each vehicle and still make lots of profit for the shareholders and high paying jobs for your master craftspersons, without the massive tooling expense that would be required to build them with robots.

TSLAholic | March 10, 2014

836 HP out of a speculated 48kWh battery? So then...was the current draw limit from the MS 85kWh pack set just for fun, or to let other manufacturers catch up in terms of power, perhaps?
Is this a video game car we're building in la la land, where Ohm's Law doesn't apply, or is my physics book outdated?
Since we're dreaming, I say Tesla should break all their promises of an upcoming people's car and concentrate on a Gen II Roadster supercar instead. Something has to bring this silly stock down to deserving levels, right?

Brian H | March 10, 2014

The roadster would require serious design and factory tooling, once designed. TM will be much expanded and more capable of sparing those resources once they are into true mass production. Dedicating that effort in advance or parallel is not going to happen.

grega | March 10, 2014

@BrianH, I do hope you're right on both counts - that their resources can't be stretched elsewhere because they are pushing the Model E to come out as soon as possible, and also the moment it's ready to go they'll have plenty of batteries ready to go.

Dalec | March 10, 2014

Capacitors could store enough charge to run dual engines with a smaller battery. You would also regen with all 4 wheels instead of just 2.

A Gen III hot rod wouldn't replace the VolksTesla... but would be a hell of a halo vehicle for the brand.

Timo | March 10, 2014

@TSLAholic, 800+ HP out of 48kWh battery is definitely possible, just not with same battery chemistry as with Model S. 615(HP->kW)/48 is about 13C. That's not extreme, there are RC batteries that excess 60C currents. In fact it is possible that even Model S batteries can reach 13C for short bursts.

Imagine 100kWh battery with 60C currents: 6000kW.

Brian H | March 11, 2014

Dalec;
Musk thought that too, initially. But the numbers showed that a bigger battery had more upside and fewer complexities. KISS won.

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