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Glass roof

So will there be no option for a glass roof on the model 3, or will there be a standard glass roof option? I feel like they may roll the model 3 out with no glass roof to start and then later they will make it an option later on like they will with all wheel drive. If so I'm more than willing to wait for it.

PhillyGal | May 24, 2017

Patience, grasshopper. We don't know definitively what options will or will not be available at launch.

Someone somewhere did opine that having the solid roof nixed, with all glass standard, might result in easier manufacturing from the standpoint that the machines can have better access to the inside of the car without a roof.

Maximillian | May 24, 2017

That's interesting. If they did make glass grooves the standard I'm sure people would love it. It would be nice to know what options will be available at initial release but I suppose waiting until July is the only way

Iwantmy3 | May 24, 2017

All of the release candidate cars appear to have glass roofs. I am guessing that it will be standard. I suspect that the net cost is lower for building the cars with a glass roof than a metal one.

jordanrichard | May 24, 2017

The Model 3 will have a glass roof, from the B-pillars all the way down to the trunk lid. That has been know form the beginning and is also confirmed by all the recent pictures of the 3's on the road in CA and OH. What is not know for certain is the roof area forward of the B-pillars. From a manufacturing standpoint, a single piece glass roof like the one now standard on the MS, would be faster to install. It is having a metal section and of course a movable sunroof roof that requires more parts/time to install.

Maximillian | May 24, 2017

There's been a few release candidates with metal roofs. I want to know if both will be available at launch

Randkthorn | May 24, 2017

@Maximillian
I haven't notice any metal roof release candidates or earlier prototypes. Maybe I missed them. Are you sure? I don't actually dislike the metal roof. Glass panoramic roof just seems like it would be fun and look good, probably because of the novelty as much as any other reason.

akgolf | May 24, 2017

I don't recall seeing any Model 3s with metal roofs either.

ACDC 2GO | May 24, 2017

One thing we know is the glass roof is now standard on the model S with no option for mettle roof. As far as I know nothing has been confirmed on the model 3, but I'm hoping the glass roof is standard/base price for the 3.

ACDC 2GO | May 24, 2017

One thing we know is the glass roof is now standard on the model S with no option for metal roof. As far as I know nothing has been confirmed on the model 3, but I'm hoping the glass roof is standard/base price for the 3.

Sandy’s 3 | May 24, 2017

From the 50 or so recent pictures I have all 5 of the known RC's appear to have all glass.

Maximillian | May 24, 2017

I may have been mistaken about the metal roof. Or I may have seen someone's guess of what it may look like. Hopefully the dark glass roof does come standard. It generally makes the car look sleeker

giskard | May 24, 2017

I'm pretty sure I saw pics of a blue RC car a couple of weeks ago that had a blue (that is, metal) roof panel over the driver and passenger. I don't remember exactly where they were posted, though.

LA-Fohlen | May 24, 2017

I also think that all the release candidates have glass roofs. It would be nice if it comes standard. With autonomous driving in the future I see myself on my daily commute just staring in the sky.

Ehninger1212 | May 24, 2017

if anyone finds a link to a metal roof candidate please post ASAP!

My Land Rover has a glass roof, it was the only feature I thought was stupid when I bought the thing, it has grown to become one of my favorites, and the openings are not nearly as big as the model 3 has. In Texas me and my wife can park, lay in the back and look up at the stars whilst 90degrees out and the air conditioner is running. Priceless.

Ehninger1212 | May 24, 2017

@LA-fohlen, ditto!

Red Sage ca us | May 24, 2017

Yes, the Model ☰ Release Candidates all have glass roofs. From certain angles, the clear, pristine, blue sky of California is reflected in spy shots to make it seem as if they might be blue metal. In others, you can see the very slightly reddish tint of the glass, designed to repel UV and IR. I strongly suspect that elimination of headliner and insulation installation with a metal roof, while maximizing interior headroom were strong contributors to that decision for Production.

Ehninger1212 | May 24, 2017

@Eagles yes my Land Rover get terrible gas mileage.

BUT back in 2010 after I graduated I outfitted my "tut tut Land Rover old boy" for expedition style travel. (Did the trans America trail) annyywhoo I installed an auxiliary air conditioner that runs off deep cycle batteries. Batteries charged via small solar panels.. it's basically a 4WD camper. For extended stays I can hook up and charge the batteries via RV outlets and run the AC off that. (I'll make sure to check the ev park grid power provider when I'm in Missouri LOL! ) maybe I can get a Malibu hybrid to charge my batteries instead?? Leaving the engine running while sitting for long periods of time is a no no and you are assuming I'm ignorant.

Secondly the roof glass is not heavily tinted because Land Rover purposed it for VIEWING! rather it has mesh shades that retract like a sunroof. I can see the stars just fine.

Three, I believe light has more of a negative impact on star gazing then smog. So don't worry eagles.. I'll make sure to leave my headlights and all 10 of my auxiliary LED off road lights off whilst star gazing.. just for you ;)

All this smack talk coming from someone who constantly talks down on EV's and spreads negativity.

Ehninger1212 | May 24, 2017

Soo I can't talk about my 12 year old Land Rover "status luxury vehicle" yet the model 3 will cost twice what I paid for it... hmmm... EVERYONE don't talk about the Teslas you own! They are "status luxury vehicles" and eagles will get butt hurt.

I also just explained I'm not burning fossil fuel.. nor is the roof heavily tinted.. did your only read the first sentence?

Sandy’s 3 | May 24, 2017

YOU pigeon face are exactly the opposite of what Tesla is all about.

Iwantmy3 | May 24, 2017

It's amazing how a perfectly good thread can get PDX'd so quickly

Ehninger1212 | May 24, 2017

@iwantmy3 kinda my fault.. just to reiterate my original post. Glass roofs are awesome I hope it is available at the beginning. Next time I'll just use the KISS method on my post lol.

Frank99 | May 24, 2017

Based on the glass roof construction, it wouldn't surprise me if metal roofed Model 3's weren't built exactly the same way. Rather than a welded on part of the body as on most cars, perhaps the metal roof is simply a gasketed piece, much like the glass, dropped into place after the interior is installed, and fastened similarly. The only functional difference between metal and glass roof then becomes opaque v. darkly transparent, and there's no change to the production line, except picking up a panel from the "glass" stack rather than picking one up from the "metal" stack.

Ehninger1212 | May 24, 2017

@frank99
Yep, I think that's how c6 corvettes roofs are attached. Just epoxy, I don't think they are structural at all.

Of course the interior panels and insulation would need to be installed, where as the glass would not.

Frank99 | May 24, 2017

What panels? And if the small section of metal roof were pre-upholstered ( a thin layer of foam and fabric glued in place) with a rim for the adhesive, it's still a drop in piece identical in manufacturing to the glass piece. No additional steps necessary.

Frank99 | May 24, 2017

OK, I'll mention one confounding factor for the "drop-in" metal roof idea. The roof would likely have to be pre-painted the right color, and have the right color interior fabric attached. That's a custom set of steps that would make the manufacturing process more difficult - you'd have to plan "just-in-time" delivery of properly painted and upholstered sections to the line. This is something that could have worked for the lower-volume S, but perhaps not the higher volume 3.
Perhaps the metal roof only has one kind / color fabric covering - reducing the customization to just the 5 (or whatever) different exterior colors. Or, perhaps, it simply doesn't exist, so Tesla can avoid having to solve this problem.

Ehninger1212 | May 24, 2017

Frank99 usually headliners are a panel of plastic with insulation and and a fabric covering attached to the metal body. But you are correct they could just have an assembly waiting to be put in.

Ehninger1212 | May 24, 2017

@frank99 now your thinkin! more reason why they probably won't have a metal roof. Also why I believe they did away with it on the S

Red Sage ca us | May 24, 2017

Frank99: Yeah. You finally got there. Always best to avoid the potential problem.

"Best block: No be there." -- Mr. Miyagi

carlgo2 | May 24, 2017

The standard black cloth upholstery might be less of a black hole as there will be a lot of light to brighten things up. That might save me a grand or so.

Less metal to wax.

The proper tint might make me seem more attractive, a nice even glow. Hi girls!

Downside: no metal to deflect the insidious rays beamed at you from black helicopters. Need to buy bulk Windex at Costco.

Frank99 | May 24, 2017

I think I've convinced myself that there'll be no Metal roof - early Model 3's will have fixed glass standard, and perhaps later the Pano roof will be an option.

For those people who absolutely abhor sunlight, perhaps a color-matched vinyl roof wrap will be available.

mntlvr23 | May 24, 2017

I am thinking no metal roof as well - since the MS's have gotten rid of it.

I have already jumped back on to my Tesla Model 3 pricing spreadsheet and reduced my price again:
I reduced it once when Elon said that AWD would cost less on the M3 that MS
I reduced it a second time when it was learned that there will be no Supercharging activation fee, and
I just reduced it again, as I changed the price for the "optional" glass roof to ZERO.

The longer I have to wait, the more the price is going down - yay, go figure
(and I expect that the upgraded battery prices will have dropped significantly from my worst case estimate as well)

Bluesday Afternoon | May 24, 2017

And, If you don't order wheels, seats and cameras then it drops down even more. :-)

mntlvr23 | May 24, 2017

Now that you mention it, I am getting more cameras than expected also

brian | May 24, 2017

Obviously, nobody knows for sure yet what will be standard, what will be options up-front, and what will come later, if at all. HOWEVER... we have seen RC's with all glass, so I think it's a safe assumption that the OPTION will certainly be there. Also, it should be noted (and maybe somebody already pointed this out and I missed it), but it's easier to make the car faster WITH ALL GLASS because by not having the top metal in the way, the robots have unfettered access to the interior. I think their GOAL really is / should be to make the first several batches all glass and make people wait who DON'T want that. Just my hunch.

Gizmo | May 26, 2017

Surely a glass roof is going to make the inside of the car a lot colder in the winter and hotter in the summer?

Can’t say I really want a glass roof (and certainly wouldn’t pay extra for it) but it looks like I will not have a choice.

dsvick | May 26, 2017

@Gizmo

I know it isn't easy to search the forum but there are tons of threads out there about the glass roof on the model S saying that it really doesn't affect the temperature in the car that much either in the cold or in the sun.

Frank99 | May 26, 2017

Gizmo -
With the high-tech coatings on the roof glass that Tesla uses, your intuition about how glass works doesn't really apply anymore. Tesla's roof glass reflects nearly all ultraviolet and most infrared light, meaning that the heat they would cause inside the car never makes it into the car in the first place. I've seen some analysis that says that the roof glass reflects more light energy than a white-painted roof does - meaning that it might actually be COOLER under the glass than under a metal roof. Fellow Phoenix residents with Model S or X say that the glass roof is no problem out here.
Living in Phoenix, I don't bother looking at any of the discussions of Glass Roof and "Cold". You'll have to search for that data on your own.

topher | May 26, 2017

"I've seen some analysis that says that the roof glass reflects more light energy than a white-painted roof does"

That sounds bogus. If it reflected more visible light than a white roof, it would *look* like a white roof (or a mirror). Visible light contains the majority of the energy in sunlight.

It also seems amazing that they could make the insulation value of glass anywhere near that of a metal roof plus headliner insulation. Aerogel and vacuum, maybe?

Thank you kindly.

Xerogas | May 26, 2017

I imagine it would indeed look white it it reflected more *visible* light, but Frank99 seems to be referring to total light energy, which includes infrared and ultraviolet in the mix. Perhaps we could get some owners of Model S all-glass roof to weigh in here; my personal experience with pano roof on my S is the same as most other owners...you don't realize it's there until you look up and see all that beautiful sky!

Frank99 | May 26, 2017

Let us know when you get a Tesla, and can make such statements, E. Until that time, it's best to listen to owners, none of whom I've heard suggest that the glass roof makes it hotter or colder inside.

Gizmo | May 28, 2017

All very interesting opinions thanks.

Fortunately I will not have to worry about it now as it had been announced that the glass roof will be optional, so for me I will not even consider it... unless it was available as a solar panelled roof as that could interest me.

Heat retention is only one issue, for some of us we simply do not want the extra light inside the vehicle due to being very sensitive to excessive light.

One of our current cars has a full length panoramic roof (it was std fit) and it has been open once in 3 years, the retractable cover has maybe been open a handful of times.

eandmjep | May 28, 2017

Live in N Utah and we maybe have 4 months where we need AC. 2-3 where just air circulation is Ok and the rest we need heat Heat. Any warming affect that Tiny piece of glass in the center of the roof may have will only make it less likely to need to run the heater in the winter. Unless its at night. :)

I wonder if the Metal roof will be integrated in the interior into the roll bars as in the interior textiles and insulation or just a piece of Metal padded and stuck in place of the glass.

KP in NPT | May 28, 2017

Sucks for trolls to be proven wrong with confirmation from Tesla.

You could try a new tact - Cheapest would be no roof. Base car comes with no roof standard. that's the only way they can possibly sell the car for 35K.

topher | May 28, 2017

"I imagine it would indeed look white it it reflected more *visible* light, but Frank99 seems to be referring to total light energy, which includes infrared and ultraviolet in the mix."

Well if it is going to reflect more total light energy,than a white roof, it needs to reflect more *visible light*. Visible light represents the majority of the light energy of sunlight. And white roofs reflect a lot of the UV and IR.

Thank you kindly.

FISHEV | May 28, 2017

And the glass roof is IN ADDITION TO the existing glass windows so one is adding even more energy going into the care with the glass roof no matter what its reflective capability which is max about 70% reduction.

So glass roof on the Tesla's means car gets hotter quicker than a metal roofed Tesla.

Opaque solar PV roof is the way to go. No additional energy into the car as heat and 2-4% of the cars yearly power from the roof mounted solar PV glass. But with Tesla home solar roof glass sold out for 2018, chance of them getting to the promised solar PV roof on the cars is way in the future.

If I can only get a glass roof, I might do a cool wrap on the roof. Either match the car color especially if I got white to get full reflective white roof or maybe American flag to stick it to the GOP climate deniers if I got red.

JayInJapan | May 28, 2017

Standard roof is solid metal.

ReD eXiLe ms us | May 28, 2017

And... We don't know why!

FISHEV | May 28, 2017

@JayInJapan "Standard roof is solid metal."

Not on any new Tesla offered for sale. In fact, you can no longer buy a metal roof on a new Tesla. And this was recent change to all glass all the time.

KP in NPT | May 28, 2017

LOL the desperation is palpable.

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