Great car, Love it, just some innate flaws...

Great car, Love it, just some innate flaws...

We have recently taken delivery of our new S. Of course the car is fantastic and I know that the company is basically a small start-up company. We have found some basic flaws that should be addressed. 1. The headliner above the rear small triangular window is raw, unfinished and should have a trim piece. A little bit of age and this will be a big problem. 2. The sun visors, vanity mirrors are a joke. Both should be 60 to 80% larger and the mirror should be lighted. I plan to take one off of the car, go to a salvage yard and see if I can find a Mercedes or other car with similar mounting and clips that might work until Tesla provides better visors. Has anyone done this yet? 3. Floor mats, well, this has already been discussed. 4. Interior storage, likewise has been discussed and Tesla says they are working on some solutions. 5. Can they put the charging station finder apps in the app section? 6. Why aren't the high power wall chargers delivered with the car and if they are behind in production of these pieces, shouldn't they be paying for the shipping? 7. Colorado has a front license plate law. Would love to have the plate mountable inside the nose piece so it doesn't look like an add on. Also think that the black nose looks like an afterthought (our car is white). Can I purchase one of these to try to make these changes? 8. The armrests seem to be too tall and too far back which makes the cup holders useless. And why couldn't they put some storage in that tower? Love the car, ride, handling, overall styling. Got the 19" rims, looks way better than the big ones and is much less likely to damage or destroy the wheels on our pot holes and curbs. The 21" wheels must be for 21 year olds that don't have any experience driving. JMHO. Thanks, Rubber side down. RNG

phb | March 21, 2013

The last comment about the 21" wheels being bad for driving pretty much undermines your credibility on the rest of the stuff. Which is a pity as some of your points are valid. I've now lived with my Model S for almost 3 months and I can agree about the annoying lack of interior storage issue. As far as I'm concerned the sun visors are fine and I hope the lighted ones end up being the same size. Perhaps you're sitting too far down? The license plate tumor on the front is unfortunate but pretty much the same for EVERY car maker out there. You want a way around it? Call your state rep and ask that the law be changed. Think of all the money we'll save only having one plate.

As far as your car not having a charging station app and your considering that to be an "innate flaw..." well, stick around, newbie, Tesla's just getting started with the features on that big fancy screen. In the mean time, learn to use a smart phone. There are several great apps for finding charging points and even a few that will help you look up tricky words like "innate."

Jewsh | March 21, 2013

After reading this thread I used the visors last night and today and found them to be totally fine. I don't care about the lighted mirror since no one including me wants to see my ugly mug. The visors are tiny seemingly because of the slope and height of the windshield.

shop | March 21, 2013

The visors work fine for me, but then I sit ramrod straight up and adjust the seat as high as I can go without banging my head on the ceiling. I would imagine people who like to recline their seats would have more trouble.

carlk | March 21, 2013

@Hills, I have years personal experiences with low profile tires. Everything (add higher risk of bent wheels)you said about them is true . However all the disadvantages can be summarized with only one word "cost". That's why you only see them on high end performance cars but not Civic's or Corolla's other than on few of those ricers/posers. Does MS deserve one? I think so at least for the performance model. The same justification for buying the $100K car can be applied to the 21" wheel. It is "only" about money.

Hills | March 21, 2013

Agree with what you wrote.
For me, it is 70% about cost, 30% about risk of blown tire. Our roads are are really bad. I suppose you can call flat tire "cost" as well, but I just don't want to be bothered with the risk.

If we had better roads, and if there were actual spare, then it would be tough choice for me.

It was interesting that the Tesla head of Chasis Design told me he would choose 19". The primary test driver told me he would choose 19" (after waxing philosophic about how good the 21" is).

But, there is no right or wrong answer.

jbunn | March 21, 2013

Two comments to the origional poster. The windshield is at such a low angle, the smaller visors are more than sufficient. As you drive more, see if it's really the problem you expect. Would say a passenger vanity light would be good, and Tesla has gone back and forth on that issue.

Secondly, we would all love a recessed license plate in the nose cone. Three issues.

Some states do not requrie a front plate, some do, and you can put on a cover, and some states require no cover whatsoever on the plate. We were reall hoping for a recess with a snap in lexan cover to make the plate aerodynamic.

Secondly, if we could get a recess with a nice lexan cover, it's the high point on the nose cone, which is actualy the car's bumper. First to the scene of the accident, and you'll be replacing the lexan cover frequently.

Finaly, and most importantly, the fatal issue is the nosecone is not high enough to fit a standard US license plate. Wish it was, but the nose is just not large enough. So the factor bracket puts the top of the plate at the bottom of the "T" and it hangs below the nose by a good two inches.

Objective1 | March 21, 2013

@mwojcie: you wrote: "I just want to know, did anyone complain about the shortcomings of their last car on a public form for that car - or did they just think to themselves that is what you get with this car? IMHO!"

Point well taken. But not often does one buy car that seriously is trying to be THE BEST CAR IN THE WORLD.

Tesla wants to be judged against the best. They want to show that an electric car is just plain better. So they are holding themselves up for criticism.

Beside, the OP is doing Elon a favor. Elon says that honest negative feedback is a great value and thing one should appreciate.

sometimelater | March 23, 2013

yea dude, the 19" wheels look WAY better... yea. there's a prius waiting for you in the lot. calling mr. prius.

portia | March 23, 2013

I found the center console space to be one of the BEST features of the Model S, great space for my purse. I guess you have to be a woman to appreciate that. Neither sun visors nor floor mats bothered me either. So there. There is no way ONE car can be everything to everybody.

jillalameda | March 23, 2013

I also like the purse space. It's much more convenient than sticking my bag behind the seat when there's a passenger in the front seat. Guys, point this out to your female passengers; they will appreciate the extra leg room of not having their bags crammed in with their feet.

On the other hand, I would kind of like a lighted vanity mirror. But Elon Musk signed the back of my current mirror when I got my MS on Wednesday, so I'm not sure I would actually replace it given the chance.

Yvesn7 | March 23, 2013

IMO the headliner problem is real. I got my car (85kwh) in December and quickly noticed that the entire headliner edge above the windshield is a raw fabric cut, without any binding. The fabric strands are just butting against the windshield. In my car, the roof insulation even protrudes in some places, which is pretty unsightly. Looking at other Model S in the shop it seems they all have this problem although some are less pronounced. I think this will degrade over time, fabric will start fraying, and is not up to standard for a $100k car. I have been trying to get this addressed for over 2 months now, but can't get an answer from California. The local service center (Seattle) is now offering to take it to a local aftermarket upholstery shop to get it fixed. Not 100% sure I want to do that yet, as I would prefer a factory fix. Anybody else noticed this? Please no flaming - I love my car. :)

Captain_Zap | March 23, 2013

What type of headliner do you get?

Yvesn7 | March 24, 2013

I have the standard cream/white "woven" fabric headliner. However I looked at some Sigs in the shop with the suede headliner and it's also a raw cut above the windshield. Suede probably won't fray as much though.

Yvesn7 | March 24, 2013

Btw just checked my car again and agree with richardngordon it's the same issue above the triangular windows in the back - just raw fabric cuts.

shepski | March 24, 2013

Not that I necessarily want to align myself with the OP on the 19"s versus 21"s issue - given his lack of tact in raising the matter - but I will add this:

(1) I, too, think that the 19"s are more aesthetically pleasing (but I usually prefer that general style of wheel - i.e. fewer spokes - and the look of meatier tires). Just beheld a blue MS today (and sat in it, too, upon chatting up its owner) which had the 19"s and was freakin' GORGEOUS.

(2) More importnantly, citing the experts at C&D (, it does indeed seem that the 19"s are a smarter buy given that a car shod with them should perform better than one with the 21"s. Lighter weight and rotational mass yield quicker acceleration and greater fuel economy (the latter of which might translate to greater range in the MS, no?). Plus, the ride will be more compliant, and the tires cheaper, too.

So those of you (or the one of you) who say(s) the MS has superior performance with the 21"s... I dunno. (If so, it'd be due to the stock 19" tires being all-seasons - i.e. lame - than to anything else.)

shepski | March 24, 2013

Goddamn infuriating "smart" phone inputting had me submit "importnantly."

Brian H | March 24, 2013

One it's learned an 'error', it will force it on you every time. You'll have to ditch the phone and start over. >;(