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Growing pains...

You’re only as strong as your weakest link! More advanced batteries, more charging stations, faster charging and a common charging standards are needed for BEVs before they can truly realize their potential. https://www.thedrive.com/news/31274/more-teslas-on-the-road-meant-hours-...

andy.connor.e | December 3, 2019

Was the same last year. As if traffic in general is not excessively horrible during thanksgiving travel. Last year it took me over an hour and a half to drive 5 miles to pick up a turkey and drive back home.

Darthamerica | December 3, 2019

Tesla needs a sort term solution... smart queuing and limiting charging sessions based on the final destination could help.

andy.connor.e | December 3, 2019

Agreed if people are going to spend hours waiting in line.

RedShift | December 3, 2019

My suggestion was to use trucks loaded with Tesla batteries to act like mobile Superchargers. You’d need an army of them to serve high demand areas. They could have been charged overnight, and then be ready for the daytime rush.

TeslaTap.com | December 3, 2019

@RedShift - Not sure what you do for a holiday - every station becomes high-demand. Tesla does have portable Superchargers they can drop to a site that is overloaded, although it needs a power connection. This is more for ones that need more build-out and/or have problems with a few stalls. I've seen it at Harris Ranch when they only had 4 stalls, they added 4 temporary stalls until it was expanded (now 17 stalls).

@Darth - Tesla already does high-demand limitations. You can only charge to 80% and the display alerts you to the limitation when you plug-in.

Other solutions:
- Buy a longer range vehicle
- Fully charge before leaving home or destination
- Avoid travel on known major holidays

Also, keep in mind that gas stations also often have long lines on the same travel days. There are choke points where the infrastructure just can't handle that rare peak volume. Expect to see it again on December 24th.

NKYTA | December 3, 2019

if you can't time shift to avoid high volume days, you aren't trying hard enough. Take another day off work and come home from Tahoe on a Monday instead of Sunday.

andy.connor.e | December 3, 2019

Personally, if it was the difference of waiting hours in line, i would wake up at midnight or 1am and just go sit in my car watching a youtube video for a half hour. Anyone can do this, it depends what you value though. Dont sit in line for hours and complain like there was no other way. Unless of course, there actually was no other way.... and in that case theres no use complaining over an inevitable result.

Darthamerica | December 3, 2019

@TeslaTap most drivers override that limit and it is clearly ineffective. Tesla needs to develop an automated traffic control queuing system. The limits need to be determined by distance to destination or the next Supercharger. Staying past the limit when there is a queue should cause charging to either stop or incur fees.

NKYTA | December 3, 2019

Tesla needs to do X.
BEV's just don't work.
Blah, blah.

Dramsey | December 3, 2019

As best I can tell, only the California stations have crowding problems. I just drove from Reno to Abilene, Texas and back for Thanksgiving, and saw deserted Superchargers the entire way On the whole Reno-Las Vegas leg, I saw no occupied Superchargers going down, and only one coming up (in Beatty, NV), at Death Valley Nut & Candy.

(Oddly, I did see one Model S at the Beatty Supercharger plugged into some third party charging station next to the Tesla chargers. Not sure why anyone would ever do this.)

Darthamerica | December 3, 2019

Dramsey BEVs are mostly city cars and the further away from fast DC charging, the less likely people are to buy a BEV. This is the infrastructure issue.

NKYTA | December 3, 2019

Bullshit. Stop spreading your FUD.

andy.connor.e | December 3, 2019

@NKYTA

Hes all opinion and zero data. He just puts the idea in your head that EVs will not work.

Manufactured doubt.

PrescottRichard | December 3, 2019

Kingman AZ can be bottleneck too, just on weekends.

There's no special voodoo here, increasing range will help a bit but if your round trip is at or over your total range you'll have to hit a charger somewhere. More SCs seems logical until you see all that wasted space when there aren't holiday travelers, and that could invite ICEing.

3rd party charging options would also be nice.

Personally I'm with Andy, travel when everyone else isn't. Take into account the weather & traffic. All it takes is one good wreck in a bad spot (I17 at Black Canyon City area for example) and you are *stuck* anyway. Hell, we do this just one weekends!

I feel for the new owners (in CA in particular) who can get this the first time but live and learn! With all the 3s and next year the Ys this will both get better and worse.

Switching to EV is a multi-systemic change, so YEAH, it'll take a bit. To say 'you can't' travel with an EV is an exaggeration that boarders on propaganda for anti-EV IMO. Just think how big of a deal this will be for non-Tesla EVs if/when they start selling in Model 3 numbers.

I guess the solution is to say 'yup, this happens every holiday' and more on.

Tropopause | December 3, 2019

But Darth is the one who claims 200-250 mile range is all that we need since that is what the Taycan will do.

Now you see why Tesla is pushing the range capabilities to 400, 500, 600 miles per charge while the competition is still floundering both in battery and charging technology.

Darthamerica | December 3, 2019

Tropopause for daily driving and those that have the ability to fast charge at home, it is. But most people can’t fast charge at home. If you have enough charging stations, it is. But that’s still an issue as noted above. Also, BEV ranges are not accurate. Those numbers are under ideal conditions. The real numbers people see on a daily basis are about 30 to 50% less.

andy.connor.e | December 3, 2019

@Tropopause

Darth is the one saying 200-250 miles is all we need due to Taycan, yet hes saying that 600 miles range is a superior benefit. Contradicting, if you only need 250, then anything greater than that is an unrealistic benefit because of its lack of necessity. I see other peoples desktop computers have controllable LED lights in their cases, thats a benefit over my desktop computer case that does not have lights.

Darthamerica | December 3, 2019

Taycan is built for racing, being driven to races and daily driving to and from Rodeo Dr. For it’s purpose the range is fine. All Taycan’s will have access to fast charging at home. Many Model 3’s by contrast will not.

Tropopause | December 3, 2019

What is Porsche building for daily driving?

Darthamerica | December 3, 2019

Porsche has several models designed for that. Taycan is the BEV they make that can handle daily driving and excel during track use.

Tropopause | December 3, 2019

I'm glad we have Tesla to solve the challenges needed to transition to EV's cause it sure doesn't sound like Porsche, or the other competitors, has any solutions.

NKYTA | December 3, 2019

Darthamerica is a known troll that likes to bash Tesla, EVs and cares not for the Earths climate.
Ignore his FUD.

Darthamerica | December 3, 2019

Tesla and Porsche are solving two different issues. Tesla is solving long distance travel. Porsche is solving performance.

jimglas | December 3, 2019

taycan good
Tesla Bad

andy.connor.e | December 3, 2019

its a track car, it doesnt need range. but range is a primary argument against evs.

RedShift | December 3, 2019

Except it weighs nearly 5200 lbs. Some race car.

jimglas | December 4, 2019

but it looks fast

andy.connor.e | December 4, 2019

The way i see it, if that article says it takes 30% less labor to build them, then the company could theoretically make 30% more vehicles with the same staffing. Why does everything always have a negative connotation?

jimglas | December 4, 2019

I view it as a positive

Darthamerica | December 4, 2019

BEVs are much less complex machines and easier to build. The issue is availability of raw materials, production capacity, demand and timing. Standardization is also an issue.

TabascoGuy | December 4, 2019

Inhale: BEVs are much less complex machines and easier to build.
Exhale: Tesla can't produce cars as well as established manufacturers (Ahem, Porsche with over a hundred years of experience) because of how difficult it is.

OK, it wasn't actually said all in one breath but what is it, easier or harder to make BEV's?

jimglas | December 4, 2019

easier

andy.connor.e | December 4, 2019

Only harder for Tesla. Because EVs and Tesla are apparently not in the same category.

Darthamerica | December 4, 2019

@Tabasco you're reading into this too much. A few weeks delay is typical if you have some minor issue during production ramp. It's a very common thing. It could be as simple as a component value change and needing to validate measurements before resuming production. But it's not a design change or anything major with the production process. Otherwise it would be a much longer delay. The same thing happen to Harley Davidson with Livewire. Got an email in October saying it's delayed, for another last week telling me they now have one on the floor for my test ride.

TabascoGuy | December 4, 2019

And you are apparently not reading.

I'm actually surprised that there wasn't a link to HD, Livewire, or, readmyessays at the end of that last post.

NKYTA | December 4, 2019

Heh.