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Houston was warned by scientists but called them alarmists

Houston was warned by scientists but called them alarmists

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/business/houston-flood-concrete-planning-1.4...

Like climate disruption we have politics being the problem.

Tesla-David | October 8, 2017

Thanks @Mike83, amazing how well pictures document our horrendous past relative to environmental protection/degradation. Scot Pruitt and Drumpf want to take us back to that era. Disgusting.

SCCRENDO | October 8, 2017

@Mitch. Yes the data is available. Unfortunately Trump and the Republicans try cut out scientific environmental information from the EPA under the guise of cutting out red tape. Isn’t that the issue with Houston not exploring environmental issues before building?

MitchP85D | October 8, 2017

Not at all Captain Planet. Home builders have to go through a thorough process to get permitted to build. My stepdaughter works for a homebuilder. I'll ask her about it and relay her answer to you.

SCCRENDO | October 8, 2017

@welfare-Mitch. Again you should check your facts before you make false statements. Spare your stepdaughter the trouble
https://qz.com/1064364/hurricane-harvey-houstons-flooding-made-worse-by-...

Mike83 | October 9, 2017

Looks like Texas is being influenced by the Russians. Both are fossil fuel interests maybe making an even bigger monopoly. Character assassination of Clinton was most likely also involved. Sad day for America. Fake news source?

https://thinkprogress.org/armed-white-supremacist-protest-organized-by-r...

MitchP85D | October 9, 2017

Captain Planet, why don't you try some logic for a change. When a city grows, i.e. more people moving in than moving out, what do you think will happen?

Just think about that for a while Captain Planet. Maybe it will come to you.

And, why are so many moving to Houston? Think about that one for a while!

NKYTA | October 9, 2017

Okay, I thought about it for a fraction of a second.

No.

rxlawdude | October 9, 2017

"And, why are so many moving to Houston? Think about that one for a while!"
Cheap real estate?

txfireman31 | October 9, 2017

Read every post here, too funny. Lots of fun reading. I'm not gonna lean one way or another as in Nature does what it wants to do when it wants to do it. You can blame this or that, but yet again Nature does what it wants.

txfireman31 | October 9, 2017

Whats next? The major storm that attacks New York?

SCCRENDO | October 9, 2017

Real estate is also cheap because there is no regulation. California wont let you build on wetlands

MitchP85D | October 10, 2017

But California will let you build where the wildfires occur! And they won't even clear the underbrush while at it!

Mike83 | October 10, 2017

If you can get fire insurance where you build. Also many areas require clearing of 100 ft. around the home with a water tank and automatic sprinklers. If you don't clear they will clear it for you and charge you for it.

rxlawdude | October 10, 2017

@Mike, maybe in Houston @Mitch can get the law changed to require a 10 foot deep moat around each home.

And, @Mitch, people who build in wildfire areas are just as nuts as those who build on flood plains. Or have trailer parks in tornado alley.

MitchP85D | October 10, 2017

Hellasmarter Dude, you have no idea what the perils of the natural world may bring to your home!

SCCRENDO | October 10, 2017

Of course you don’t Welfare_Mitch. But you should have environment evaluations as part of permitting

NoMoPetrol | October 11, 2017

@ MitchP85D

My comments from that alternate universe was directed at the uninsured, not you. They, the uninsured, expect to be bailed out by some magical government piggy bank while voting for the chumps who want to dismantle as many government agencies as possible.

"No welfare cheats! (except for me when my uninsured house gets flooded by and ACT OF GOD (who, by the way, I worship every Sunday)"

You, on the other hand, have the right to lobby for shutting down the government so long as you ready to also repair the damaged infrastructure that you need in order to drive your P85D on a decent roadway.

NoMoPetrol | October 11, 2017

"...are ready..."

rxlawdude | October 11, 2017

@NoMo, +1

Mike83 | October 19, 2017

https://www.wired.com/story/could-san-francisco-get-the-oil-industry-to-...

Fossil Fuel interest being sued for lies about Climate Change and the devastating effects it is causing. This is one more lawsuit. I hope its' not too late to start the cure.

MitchP85D | October 20, 2017

Another stupid-ass lawsuit going nowhere!

Mike83 | October 24, 2017
Mike83 | October 25, 2017

With Global Warming bacteria love the warmer temperatures. Costs continue to escalate. Not sure what kind of catastrophe will make people do something.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/flesh-eating-bacteria-harvey.html

SCCRENDO | October 25, 2017

@Mike. Welfare_Mitch doesn't care. He got his welfare cheese. And when further climate change disasters strike he will still be telling us to burn coal and he will line up for his welfare cheese.

MitchP85D | October 25, 2017

Only in the silly little mind of a liberal democrat is a property damage claim a welfare payment!

SCCRENDO | October 25, 2017

A property damage claim from a natural disaster made worse by the climate change you deny.

Mike83 | October 28, 2017

I don't know who suggested viewing MISSION BLUE on Netflix but I watched it last night; my wife knew about it and Sylvia Earl. My gosh, with an empty ocean and no oxygen in our future I still can't believe we have such stupid leadership now hurling towards extinction. The political games are a distraction to the future mankind is headed and it is very very sad.

MitchP85D | October 28, 2017

Let me get this straight Captain Planet. My opinion on climate has an affect on weather events? Is that what I am getting from you?

NoMoPetrol | October 29, 2017

@ MitchP85D You could be choking on your own vomit after a night of heavy drinking and frame it as a conspiracy of the liberal left.

MitchP85D | October 29, 2017

I learned my lesson about heavy drinking when I was 17 NoMo. The only people I know of who equate a property damage claim to a welfare payment are the silly liberal democrats in this Tesla Forum! I don't need to make up a conspiracy. It is in black and white in numerous threads!

NoMoPetrol | October 29, 2017

I speak in metaphor. You retort with litteralism, which, by the way, is not the same as either accuracy or truth.

SCCRENDO | October 29, 2017

@noMoPetrol. Welfare_Mitch has trouble telling the difference between fact and fiction.

SamO | October 30, 2017

Trouble telling the difference between weather and climate.

Trouble telling the difference between government cheese and insurance subsidy.

And on and on . . .

MitchP85D | October 30, 2017

I signed up for flood insurance because I wanted to cover my home if it ever got flooded. Only a dipsh*t democrat thinks that is the same as applying for welfare benefits!

SCCRENDO | October 30, 2017

@Welfare_MItch. You knowingly signed up for Government cheese, FEMA insurance instead of paying for private insurance.

MitchP85D | October 31, 2017

You're fulla sh*t Captain Planet! I contacted my private insurance agent to sign me up for flood insurance. I didn't have it set in my mind to look for government benefits! That is what you liberals do!

SCCRENDO | October 31, 2017

Just like the Trump crew. Pleading ignorance.

MitchP85D | October 31, 2017

To sign up for flood insurance, FEMA advises one to contact his/her PRIVATE INSURER!

Geeyyyywwwaaaaddddd, your dense skull is difficult to get through!

SamO | October 31, 2017

cheese . . . just admit you took my, and everyone else's, money. your ignorance is never a legal justification.

just like climate change.

Ignorantia juris non excusat or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not" and "ignorance of law excuses no one"[2] respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its content.

European-law countries with a tradition of Roman law may also use an expression from Aristotle translated into Latin: nemo censetur ignorare legem (nobody is thought to be ignorant of the law) or ignorantia iuris nocet (not knowing the law is harmful).

The rationale of the doctrine is that if ignorance were an excuse, a person charged with criminal offenses or a subject of a civil lawsuit would merely claim that one was unaware of the law in question to avoid liability, even if that person really does know what the law in question is. Thus, the law imputes knowledge of all laws to all persons within the jurisdiction no matter how transiently. Even though it would be impossible, even for someone with substantial legal training, to be aware of every law in operation in every aspect of a state's activities, this is the price paid to ensure that willful blindness cannot become the basis of exculpation. Thus, it is well settled that persons engaged in any undertakings outside what is common for a normal person, such as running a nuclear power plant, will make themselves aware of the laws necessary to engage in that undertaking. If they do not, they cannot complain if they incur liability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat

MitchP85D | October 31, 2017

60cc SamO, you have gone off the rails! I try to be practical in my life. I've lived in Houston for 37, going on 38 years. It has been my experience that it rains hard in Houston! So, I thought I should supplement my property insurance, and make sure I am covered for flood.

I bought flood insurance hoping I would never have to use it. But I indeed flooded. Volunteers rescued my wife and me by boat. I DID NOT SIGN UP FOR FLOOD INSURANCE HOPING THAT I WOULD GET TO USE IT!!!!! Quite the contrary. I would have much preferred that I DIDN'T FLOOD!!!! My neighbors across the street did not flood. Their house is about 1/2 foot higher in elevation than mine. I wish I was in their situation!

But, it did happen. My decision to buy whatever was available in the marketplace helped me get through this setback in life. And I assure you, THIS HAS BEEN A SETBACK!!! I don't wish a flood on anybody!!!!

This is what I hate about you liberals. You celebrate with glee over the fact I got flooded, BUT YOU HATE THE FACT THAT I MADE A GOOD DECEISION IN MY LIFE TO HELP ME GET THROUGH THIS MAJOR EVENT IN OUR LIVES!!!

So, you A-hole California liberal democrats make up this scenario that I knowingly signed up for a welfare benefits! Nothing can be further from the truth! But that doesn't matter to you statists. You just believe whatever you want to believe regardless of whether it is true or not! That is what you do to feel better about yourselves!

lilbean | October 31, 2017

We Californians like to spend our tax dollars on healthcare for illegals. Brilliant government here.

SamO | October 31, 2017

You want your cheese without the guilt. Sorry scumbag.

SamO | October 31, 2017

Typical conservative. One set of rules for me. Another set of rules for thee.

#Hypocrites

lilbean | October 31, 2017

Political party aside, do you think that taking care of illegals who come to this country to commit crime takes precedence over hard-working American citizens who need to rebuild their lives after suffering in a disaster that takes their homes?

SCCRENDO | October 31, 2017

@lilbean. You are way off topic. The subject here is legal citizen denying others welfare, not wishing to pay taxes, in fact he had the IRS auditing him yet is first in line to claim his welfare cheese.

Your topic is irrelevant to this thread but for the record I agree we need to tighten up on illegals who commit crimes but do not need to resort to Trumps fascist tactics to achieve this.

Mike83 | October 31, 2017

Off topic as this thread exposes the real government leaches

Don't worry about Mexicans coming to work cheap and keep food costs low. They no longer need to as the Mexican organic food industry is booming. And Americans are GOING to Mexico for dental work and surgery as it is much cheaper.
One fifth the price of implants for example.
Exaggerating illegal crime is funny. The white meth labs and marijuana growers are a much bigger problem. Who does all the mass shootings, Mexicans are very family oriented with the workers sending money to their families. No longer needed. America I'd becoming too unfriendly it seems.
People hating others is not in any religious teaching that I know of.

lilbean | October 31, 2017

Thank you, sccrendo. :) I’m really good at going off topic.

SamO | October 31, 2017

One study in Criminology found that "violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants." A 2007 report by the American Immigration Council, concluded that “for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated.”

"Did I say aliens commit more crimes than U.S. citizens? I didn’t say that," Thomas Homan, acting director of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, told reporters on Wednesday.

What’s more, experts conclude that the kind of immigration enforcement the Trump administration championed Wednesday is likely to drive overall crime numbers UP, as communities shut out authorities, declining to report a crime or cooperate with police, for fear of being deported.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/fact-check-no-evidence-undo...

MitchP85D | October 31, 2017

Hey 60cc SamO, I don't make rules for anybody dumbass! I bought flood insurance to supplement my house coverage. You were so happy when you found out I flooded. But when I mentioned I was prepared for my setback, that "rained" on your parade!

You were happy at the thought of me suffering severe financial harm. But since I was insured, that pisses you off!!!

MitchP85D | October 31, 2017

By the way, I highly recommend flood insurance. I just got my claim payment today. Now, I can pay the contractors and replace the flooded contents in my house!

I bet Captain Planet and 60cc SamO are blowing a head gasket over that!

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