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Houston was warned by scientists but called them alarmists

Houston was warned by scientists but called them alarmists

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/business/houston-flood-concrete-planning-1.4...

Like climate disruption we have politics being the problem.

SCCRENDO | November 10, 2017
MitchP85D | November 11, 2017

So, Houston is a big-ass city that gets lots of rain. Is there some kind of point you are trying to make Captain SaSoT?

MitchP85D | November 11, 2017

The only point I can come up with is that Harris County probably needs to have greater flood insurance requirements than what they already have. Mine was by choice. Maybe my area should be mandatory.

SCCRENDO | November 11, 2017

@Welfare_MItch. Why do you continue to talk like you are scientifically illiterate. I guess you can thank Texas A&M for that. Flood insurance does not prevent flooding. Perhaps we need to start behaving like Republicans and start taking you guys that keep rebuilding in flood zones off the FEMA welfare teat. The way to prevent flooding is not build on wetlands, not build on the back side of dams, address climate change to prevent sea level rise and stop hurricane strength from increasing

Mike83 | November 11, 2017

Texans say Don't California my taxes. They need to add no restrictions so let the shit overflow from the toilets in the streets.
$83,000,000,000 cost to tax payers.
I guess you sleep in the bed you voted for. A great overview of the stupidity.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/11/climate/houston-flooding-...

MitchP85D | November 11, 2017

Ozone Hole Mike and Captain SaSoT are going to rue the day when the Big One hits California!

Hey SaSoT1, what your elementary feeble mind fails to grasp is that the more people who buy flood insurance, the more the flood insurance program can function on its own without backing from the Federal Treasury!

MitchP85D | November 12, 2017

By the way SaSoT1, you are constantly making an issue about Texas A&M University. What is your Alma mater? It is interesting that you are obsessed with my education background, yet you don't say a damn thing about yours! Why is that?

SCCRENDO | November 12, 2017

@Welfare_MItch. Because I got an education in science and you didn’t. And it shocks me that a weatherman who claims expertise in climate change knows nothing about it and was not even educated in science. Many here would have expected a weatherman to at least be able to read a few graphs. Again you go off at a tangent. I guess it is typical for you guys when you do not have answers. The point here is that you a libertarian who doesnt believe in taxes, you complain when others claim welfare yet when it suits you, you grab government subsidized insurance and claim when you suffer a loss. In your world it is not ok for the government to have welfare programs and for people in need to claim. Except when it is you.

MitchP85D | November 12, 2017

What are you hiding SaSoT1? I think you have mentioned my Texas A&M background at least 30 times here in the Forum, probably more. You can't even tell me what your educational background is? Are you ashamed of something?

Maybe we can just start speculating here. Hey Remnant, what do you think? What do you think Captain SaSoT's educational background is?

It's funny. You ask Captain Planet a direct question, and you get a scatter-brained response!

I "grab government subsidized insurance?" All I did 10 years ago was put a call in to my insurance agent. I asked him to set me up for flood insurance and I paid my premium. End of story there!

But is that the end of story for the Socialist Turd #1 in the Tesla Forum? Hell no! He is pissed off that I did not suffer great economic harm from my flooding setback. So, to make himself feel better, he is doing all he can in his little mind to show that I am collecting from a welfare program!

SCCRENDO | November 12, 2017

@Welfare_Mitch. My scientifc background is not in question. Yours is. I have mentioned my training before but if it is that important to you here goes.

Medically school - University of Witwatersrand Johannesburg, South Africa, fellowship in endocrinology University of Chicago. Peer reviewed publications in both basic and clinical research in Endocrinology, Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, Cancer Research among others.

Remnant | November 13, 2017

@SCCRENDO (November 12, 2017)

<< My [scientific] background is not in question. >>

Oh, YES, it is! Much like your linguistic one. Indeed, your English is chock-full of errors to a degree that raises doubts that it's been your mother's tongue. So, what was your First Language, SaSoT1? Arabic, Russian, Hebrew?

However, if your "background" is your training, it can be vetted by exam@ SCCRENDO | November 12, 2017

<< My [scientific] background is not in question. >>

Oh, YES, it is! Much like your linguistic one. Indeed, your English is chock-full of errors to a degree that raises doubts that it's been your mother's tongue. So, what was your First Language, SaSoT1? Arabic, Russian, Hebrew?

However, if your "background" means your training, it can be vetted by examining your training record, but if "background" means the "scientific" NATURE of your claims, validation by just reciting the claims themselves or by invoking "peers" who are, by definition, the likes of yourself, is tautologically spurious. Keep this in what stands for mind in you! If you are accused of imposture, implicitly recursive, tautological "peers" cannot be the redemption you invoke.

In fact, what compromises the scientific NATURE of your tenets, claims, or credentials are (1) your fallacious reasoning and (2) your insistent claim that AGW and "Climate Change" science are "settled" beyond doubt. Your "scientific" credentials have been destroyed by yourself, irredeemably.

Remnant | November 13, 2017

@SCCRENDO (November 12, 2017)

<< My [scientific] background is not in question. >>

(his is a corrected rendition of the previous post)

Oh, YES, it is! Much like your linguistic one. Indeed, your English is chock-full of errors to a degree that raises doubts that it's been your mother's tongue. So, what was your First Language, SaSoT1? Arabic, Russian, Hebrew?

However, if your "background" means your training, it can be vetted by examining your training record, but if "background" means the "scientific" NATURE of your claims, validation by just reciting the claims themselves or by invoking "peers" who are, by definition, the likes of yourself, is tautologically spurious. Keep this in what stands for mind in you! If you are accused of imposture, implicitly recursive, tautological "peers" cannot be the redemption you invoke.

In fact, what compromises the scientific NATURE of your tenets, claims, or credentials are (1) your fallacious reasoning and (2) your insistent claim that AGW and "Climate Change" science are "settled" beyond doubt. Your "scientific" credentials have been destroyed by yourself, irredeemably.

SCCRENDO | November 13, 2017

@Brain_Remnant. Haven’t heard much about your training, expertise or background so we are only able to judge you by your words. One thing that is immediately apparent is that your scientific knowledge is zero. Initially when you arrived on these boards you showed some coherence and the underlying theme was bigotry. Your mind seems unable to connect to many of the topics and your diatribes have deteriorated from unsubstantiated ad hominen attacks to a pure word salad. Perhaps its time for you to take a break from these boards and get yourself checked out. Something is terribly wrong with your mental status.

Mike83 | November 13, 2017

A dire warning from all real scientists. Playing political games, fossil fuel greed, and just plain stupidity may well be catastrophic.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/letter-to-humanity-warning-clim...

MitchP85D | November 13, 2017

Hey Captain SaSoT, since you are the one who is making a big-ass friggin' deal about my educational and scientific background, it is only fitting that yours is brought into question. From your education, I certainly don't see anything there about climate! What makes you think you are such an authority on climate? Let's see, I guess you just appoint yourself the Climate Change Czar, and claim that you are more knowledgeable about climate than Landsea, Christy, Spencer, Lindzen, Curry, and many others!

Only a Sanctimonious Socialist Turd would do this. Furthermore only a SaSoT would find satisfaction in the misfortune of one suffering from a flood event, and express outrage when the flood victim took precautions before the flood event occurred!

Mike83 | November 13, 2017

If your uneducated it is natural to be jealous of those smarter than you and call them names. How about egg heads. Just take your welfare cheese but don't ever look into your mirror.

MitchP85D | November 13, 2017

As a Libertarian, I am jealous of nobody! I am grateful that there are people with higher incomes and greater capabilities than me because they can actually do more to take care of themselves and others! The more independent the people of a nation are, the less that will be needed to take care of the dependent!

Ozone Hole Mike, I pay my insurance premiums. If I have damages, I file a claim. Apparently, that concept is beyond your realm of comprehension!

SCCRENDO | November 13, 2017

@Welfare_Mitch. I never claimed to have a degree in climate science. However I have impeccable scientific credentials including studying it, and have multiple peer reviewed publications in basic science. I have learned climate science on my own and I know how to read science and understand the validity of scientific data. I have always been prepared to debate the data with you. However you are a total scientific ignoramus and fail to comprehend simple graphs that I post or for that matter what you yourself post. It surprised we that a weatherman did not understand more and I would have thought you would have learned a little more at school. But I guess the requirements to be a weatherman are not too stringent. It looks like anyone can do it even Remnant.

As to Mike's point. you do not pay your own way. You gripe about taxes and are first in line to claim your welfare cheese.

MitchP85D | November 13, 2017

Well, you are flat out wrong SaSoT1!!! I do pay my way. And the fact that I was prepared for a damaging event pisses you off!!!

SCCRENDO | November 13, 2017

@Welfare_MItch. You have no idea what pisses me off. Frankly I could care less whether you get your welfare cheese or not. You are the one who is getting emotional because you got called out as a libertarian hypocrite lining up to get your welfare cheese. Liberals are ok with welfare. You should just be honest and admit that you take welfare when it suits you.

Remnant | November 14, 2017

@SCCRENDO (November 13, 2017)

<< I have learned climate science on my own and I know how to read science and understand the validity of scientific data. I have always been prepared to debate the data with you. >>

Obviously, you are just another self-taught ignoramus, like the flurry of Perpetual Motion morons who have forever infested the Tesla Forums. Your Endocrinology credentials are immaterial here.

Try to remember that you need to learn the basics of INSURANCE before you attempt to discuss it or criticize one of its beneficiaries.

SCCRENDO | November 14, 2017

@Brain-Remnant. Being self taught is better than not being taught at all. Scientific training, experience and credentials are essential to understanding climate science. It is evident that you have none. Do you have any credentials to discuss anything or do you only have the ability to regurgitate reflex ad hominem attacks???

SamO | November 14, 2017

Texas is now six times more likely to see huge, cyclone-related floods than it was in the 1990s.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/11/global-warming-reall...
Think of the Earth’s climate system as a pair of dice. You never know exactly how a roll will end. But some outcomes, like rolling a seven, are much more likely than others, like snake eyes. But when we warm the globe, we essentially load the dice to favor extreme outcomes, including some of the most unpleasant weather possible in the United States.

A new study, rapidly conducted in September and published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, finds that the dice are increasingly likely to roll some very unpleasant weather indeed. Global warming may not have caused Hurricane Harvey, which ravaged Houston over the course of a week earlier this year, but it made it much more likely.

The study argues that storms that dump more than 20 inches of rain on Texas are about six times more likely now than they were at the end of the 20th century. Hurricane Harvey dropped 20 inches of rain across a swath of the state, and it deluged some parts of Houston with a record-smashing 60 inches of rain.

sabbia | November 14, 2017

I hesitate to post a comment to Remnant after Remnant's angry post...Sam's is relevant and important and should be read by deniers or those simply seeking facts and information.

Remnant, on the other hand, seems to be the angriest among those on these forums. His views are closest to those of the Unabomber. @Remnant, whence all this vituperation?

SCCRENDO | November 14, 2017

@Sabbia +1
@Sam0. The PNAS link was excellent. Not the kind of thing Mitch would want to see. The price of his flood insurance is surely going up. He will need to rely more on government welfare cheese.

MitchP85D | November 14, 2017

Highly unlikely I will flood again during the next 7 years or so before I retire. But I will pay my flood insurance premium each year as I have done so during the past 10 years! If my premium goes up, so be it. I will pay it!

Man, my ex was sweating it out big time the night I flooded. We only live 1.5 miles apart. She is living in my old house. She called me up and was freaking out about whether her home was going to flood, because she does not have flood insurance! She was becoming hysterical because I could not answer if she was going to flood or not. She didn't flood thank goodness. It would have thrown her into the severe depths of depression if she did.

My old home has never flooded in 3+ decades. So, this accusation that I am rebuilding in a floodplain is false!

Getting my wood floor installed today. Yeehaawwww! I bet that pisses SaSoT1 off!!!

SCCRENDO | November 14, 2017

@welfare-Mitch. Why would your ex-wife ask you anything. If she came on these boards she would realize you know shit. Read the link that Sam0 posted. It will tell you why we are on the hook for your welfare cheese and that of your wife unless Trump and Ryan cut funding to FEMA to get rid of the estate tax. Then you better buy a boat to paddle out of Houston.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/11/global-warming-reall...

MitchP85D | November 15, 2017

Captain Planet, my ex asks me for weather forecasts, much like you did for your ski trip last year!

Why are you bringing up the death tax for? What in the hell does that have to do with the "price of tea in Hong Kong?"

You are not on the hook for anything more than I am for bailing out California when the "Big One" hits!

SCCRENDO | November 15, 2017

If I was your ex I doubt I would trust your weather forecasts.
For Trump and Ryan to remove the estate tax they either need to get money from elsewhere otherwise the deficit will really balloon. It's possible your FEMA welfare cheese could fall victim

MitchP85D | November 15, 2017

Well, you already did trust my weather forecast last year!

Since when have any of you Sanctimonious Socialist Turds EVER concerned yourselves about the National debt??!!! Obama doubled it, and not one little squeak out of any of you!

If you are for the death tax, you are no better than a grave robber!

SCCRENDO | November 15, 2017

@welfare-Mitch. If you don't read the PNAS link that tells you rainfall will significantly increase in the future because of climate change you cannot give an accurate flooding forecast to your ex-wife. I looked at your snow forecast for mammoth and thank you for it with the understanding that you would probably be more than 50% accurate. I'm booked to go to Snowbird/Alta in Utah over the Christmas weekend. do you care to try a forecast for me.

I have always cared about the national debt but realize that Obama needed to increase it to bail out the economy after the crash. Republicans strongly opposed it. But now seem happy to let it increase by 1.5 trillion to give the ultra-rich such as the Trump family and his cabinet a big tax break on the estate tax. In addition they will need more money to cover this and so are cutting state tax deductions, mortgage deductions and will likely go after your FEMA welfare cheese.

MitchP85D | November 15, 2017

Dr. Hansen of NASA said ten years ago most of the Arctic sea ice would have melted by now. See why I don't take much stock in the predictions by global warming worshippers?

SCCRENDO | November 15, 2017

@Welfare-Mitch. Predicting sea ice disappearance is subject to multiple variables. Here is a scholarly article that suggests it could only be narrowed to a 2 decade time frame. So stop getting emotional about people who predict a specific date. That belongs in the realms of pseudo-science that you guys practice. Unfortunately I am not a subscriber to this journal so I couldn't get the full article. They have blurred the pages except for the first.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016GL070067/epdf?r3_referer=...

SCCRENDO | November 15, 2017

@welfare-Mitch. This article should give you some perspective on Arctic sea ice melt and hopefully stop you posting random day ice extents and cooing like you have discovered a cure for cancer.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16022017/arctic-sea-ice-extent-nasa-g...

MitchP85D | November 15, 2017

Damn straight it is subject to multiple variables Captain SaSoT! The only thing I've gotten emotional about was over the glee you and ozone hole mike expressed when I first announced I got flooded. That pissed me off!

SCCRENDO | November 15, 2017

@Welfare-Mitch. Read the whole article. That's why I posted it. You don't cherry pick a few words out of context

SamO | November 15, 2017

Fickle finger of fate or kismet . . . bringing the truth about climate change to Texas one flood at a time.

MitchP85D | November 15, 2017

Texas has been flooding for a very long time. In fact, Stevie Ray Vaughn wrote a song about "Texas Flood!"

SCCRENDO | November 15, 2017

@Welfare-Mitch. So don’t you think its time you learned your lesson so you can stop relying on our tax dollars for your welfare cheese. For a 500 year flood zone you guys are doing a lot of flooding.

SamO | November 16, 2017

Wait . . . so you didn't realize you'd flood and don't live in a flood zone AND you have been flooding for a very long time, so long that there are songs written about it?

Please pick a cheese eating position and stick to it. You can either be surprised that you are flooding or expecting it, but not both.

This is the sort of thinking that allows one to pretend that burning stuff doesn't cause heat, I guess.

SamO | November 16, 2017

Here's Elon Musk on these idiotic "creatures"

"Climate change is the biggest threat that humanity faces this century, except for AI," he continues. "I keep telling people this. I hate to be Cassandra here, but it's all fun and games until somebody loses a fucking eye. This view [of climate change] is shared by almost everyone who's not crazy in the scientific community."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/elon-musk-inventors-plans-f...

Mike83 | November 16, 2017

A great article on what is happening with Republican lawyers sue crazy; don't have the interest to read this but what a mess these people got themselves into.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-16/the-u-s-flooded-one-o...

MitchP85D | November 16, 2017

I've flooded only one time in my life (60 years) in Texas you Sanctimonious Socialist Turds!

You think Texas is the only place in America that floods? Here, have a look. I dare you!

https://www.fema.gov/data-visualization-floods-data-visualization

Mike83 | November 16, 2017

Mitch wants bad things to happen to Californians. What a guy.

MitchP85D | November 16, 2017

Wrong ozone hole mike. All I want California to do is mind its own business! Quit dictating to others how they should live their lives!

SCCRENDO | November 16, 2017

@@Welfare_Mitch. But you are rebuilding in a flood zone and rainfall is going to increase significantly. So I guess you are going to continue to claim your FEMA welfare cheese.

MitchP85D | November 16, 2017

I'm not in a flood zone SaSoT1! Multi-flooded homes are in a flood zone! This is my first, and more than likely only one.

SCCRENDO | November 16, 2017

You flooded. You are now in a flood zone. And if you learn science you are likely to flood again.

MitchP85D | November 16, 2017

That isn't how it works SaSoT1!

We will see what FEMA does with the flood zone maps this coming January. Not everybody in my neighborhood flooded. Most in my subdivision DID NOT flood!

MitchP85D | November 16, 2017

Care to bet on whether I flood again or not? Here is my email address.

rmitchell108@yahoo.com

Maybe I can get a bet with both Whatshisface and SaSoT1!

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