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If there's a software upgrade to bring the LR Dual Motor acceleration close as the Performance, I would buy it ! :-)

If there's a software upgrade to bring the LR Dual Motor acceleration close as the Performance, I would buy it ! :-)

I only care about the software upgrade without the hardware stuff if it's available I would gladly pay for it.

Ok the LR Dual Motor has a nice acceleration but now I would love to increase so it's close to the Performance spec :-)

kevin_rf | March 17, 2019

Wait for a end of quarter when cash flow is low. That's the only chance you have of ever seeing them do that.

lbowroom | March 17, 2019

Would you pay $10,000 to be exactly the same?

rkalbiarEV | March 17, 2019

Yeah, ideas like this for a cash grab are way better than the constant adjustment of pricing and devaluing of our owned cars!

Squizzlesoft | March 17, 2019

I’d do this. I just looked at trading in for a performance, but it took a while for my loan and registration on the AWD that I’d don’t want to go through the process again. Took too much time.

But if they offered up a upgrade for my current car I’d do it.

TM3Q | March 17, 2019

@lbowroom

Around 6K$ I think could be alright for just a software update for extra acceleration, anyway it’s easy money for Tesla....imagine all the LR AWD already sold that could convert.

Also it will prepare myself for my next purchase in a few years....The new Roadster haha

Daryl | March 17, 2019

If you could download an update that gave Performance-level performance for cheaper than the the cost to include it when you bought the car, everyone would do that instead of ordering Performance with the car.

It would have to either cost the same, or deliver less performance.

TM3Q | March 17, 2019

@Daryl

That's why I carefully chose my words....acceleration "close" as the Performance :-)

lbowroom | March 17, 2019

How about choose your own acceleration then. $1,000 per 0.1s decrease in 0-60

TM3Q | March 17, 2019

@lbowroom

I also taught about that but maybe they want to keep it simple.

lbowroom | March 17, 2019

I was being facetious....

TM3Q | March 17, 2019

I learned another word after googling facetious haha

lbowroom | March 17, 2019

I have a chip on my shoulder since I paid full price

swanson21 | March 17, 2019

@Daryl That's exactly what they did with the AP/FSD upgrade price sale that supposedly ends tomorrow...it's 3k cheaper for FSD if you didn't order it in the 1st place in 2018...so why not offer performance upgrade for 3k cheaper too?
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TM3Q | March 18, 2019

I don’t mind paying 6K for let say a 3.9 sec acceleration 0-60mph, don’t need the same acceleration as the performance :-)

jeff | March 18, 2019

I'd happily pay for an upgrade to either the full Performance package, or even something a bit less( i.e. software upgrade only without any of the other goodies).

I had to choose between a $8000 rebate on my AWD or $3000 rebate on a performance model as Quebec tied their rebate to MSRP :(

Someone text Elon!

tom8959 | March 18, 2019

Yeah, I think Tesla could definitely coax more green out of my pocket with a scheme like this. The Dual Motor is quick, but I find myself wanting more ;)

howard | March 18, 2019

Tesla should not offer any after the purchase performance upgrades. It devalues the Performance models that some folks thought worth the extra money. Not sure how much more Tesla can tarnish their own brand but this would just be one more way.

minervo.florida | March 18, 2019

They have done it it the past.

What about the free power upgrade, what other car company does that?

gene | March 18, 2019

I'd be in on this as well. In fact I'm not purchasing the AP for $2k because I do think they'll give us the option to upgrade our AWD cars. So many people are asking and it's an easy cash grab.

As far as pissing off the Performance owners, our AWD cars would be P- cars, not P+ cars. Even if they matched the power of the Performance, it still wouldn't be a performance and wouldn't have all those extra bits. I think $5-6k to match the Performance acceleration would be a decent number that wouldn't piss off the P owners too much. Maybe do a $3k option to get it halfway there.

Take my money Tesla!

howard | March 18, 2019

@ minervo.florida "They have done it it the past."

Yes, they have, but It is a very shortsighted and misguided move.

It is diminishing the premium image and value of the Tesla brand especially the more expensive upscale models (i.e. BMW "M" series). It also causes more people to buy the cheapest model possible with the expected anticipation that they can save money down the road when Tesla has an end of the month/quarter fire sale.

Wait, the most premium EV brand on the planet needs to have fire sales all the time to try and make the numbers!!

This is generating a very stupid purchasing paradigm and making Tesla look like a desperate corner huckster.

They should hold the price "value" of all their models and options.

THIS IS JUST STUPID.

TM3Q | March 18, 2019

@howard

I disagree! I was suppose to buy a few years ago the base Model 3 but I wanted so bad the Model 3 that I purchase a Model 3 LR Dual motor because it was available...don't under estimate Tesla marketting, there not like all the others company and they are doing things differently so that's Tesla! Forget the old marketting, Tesla is doing so much better and now the car industries are playing catch up time!

Paying options via software upgrade is so cool!!! And it's the best way to make money on an already sold car! This is the future :-)

lordmiller | March 18, 2019

Yes @TM3Q!! Agreed, it's just a speed upgrade, it wouldn't hurt the P+ people.

AWDTesla | March 18, 2019

I think buying upgrades "a la carte" would be brilliant.

I would be 1st in line to buy track mode for my LR DM. Maybe even some sort of sport mode for acceleration

I think they would make a killing.

howard | March 18, 2019

So instead of selling a premium car where Tesla can make more money upfront, you suggest it is a better business decision to sell the options for a premium feature for less money after the sale.

This is again a very poor marketing process. One that undermines the long term branding of Tesla.

Tesla is working on being the next Chevrolet of EV vehicles. Why not strive to be the Porsche of EV's?

Very disappointing and in part why I just bought a new 2019 EV from another company.

TM3Q | March 18, 2019

I'm going to re-explain in another way

I don't want lower suspension or spoilers or 20 inch wheels and brakes etc

I only want software upgrades!!!

How this will affect the Model 3 Performance if my upgrade is only software???

howard | March 18, 2019

TM3Q, Nothing really, it just continues to cheapen the brand. Why buy a performance or any other aspect (EAP, AP, FSD) of Tesla if you can get it cheaper after the purchase. It is the bigger picture of the value of owning a Tesla. Not the stupid incremental after the fact sales tactics of trying to get less money, heck any money at all, for anything possible, after the sale has been made. Since they appear to be begging for additional revenue at every turn maybe Tesla could set up a go fund me page and sell badges, spoilers, and software.

amanwithplan | March 18, 2019

I think what will piss off the "P people" (like myself) is knowing the difference between a Performance and regular AWD Model 3 is a software unlock. Elon promised we had top binned motors and different inverter (capable of higher loads).

If we paid $11k for a software checkmark, that's a pickled pisser.

tom8959 | March 18, 2019

Tesla's mission is "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy", not to create and sustain a premium brand. And, according to EM's "Secret Master Plan" building expensive (premium?) cars was the means necessary to achieve the end - building affordable, high volume cars. As Tesla progresses on their mission, I would expect the perception of Tesla as a premium brand to change into more of a valued brand for the masses.

Also, as long as a speed upgrade for the Dual Motor Model 3s was priced fairly, relative to the Performance model, I don't think it would devalue those cars - and would certainly add value to the Dual Motor models.

howard | March 18, 2019

Sorry, I should have used Kickstarter not go fund me but it is the same stupid issue.

rkalbiarEV | March 18, 2019

Does not have to be performance level but it could be faster for cash!

jimglas | March 18, 2019

@TM3Q: you are describing P3D-, like mine

howard | March 18, 2019

tom8959, I get your point. And perhaps EM can indeed provide a car to the masses with extremely low margins without having the higher profits from the Premium cars to sustain it. But history is not on his side. Kind of a shame in my opinion.

Wonder how the board and all the Tesla shareholders feel when the very brief profits from the premium sales never show up again? It is going to be a long time before profits show up again even with selling the "free" software updates to everyone after the sale. This is shortsightedness.

TM3Q | March 18, 2019

@jimglas

So P3D- is the LR Dual Motor with the same acceleration of the Performance at 3.4 sec is that correct?

rkalbiarEV | March 18, 2019

I am a shareholder and an owner of two M3's. I completely support the decision for offering software upgrades. Lowering the price of cars, like he just did, is a much worse option!

TM3Q | March 18, 2019

@howard

Do you know other compagny who gives all their patent to the world for free for technology advancement?

They could have made $$$$ if they sold their patent.....it’s not all about cash! Elon has a mission so shareholder must fully understand that they are part of this adventure and not only for money!

rkalbiarEV | March 18, 2019

*Clarification: Not just lowering the price of cars and hurting current owners but also the constant price adjustments. Makes it look like a clown show, especially to non Tesla fans and owners... Those who otherwise might have been interested.

howard | March 18, 2019

TM3Q it is never about cash. It is about establishing a business model that is profitable and sustainable.

Giving his patents away was a very cool and admirable thing to do. So there is the path to the masses?

Like it or not Tesla the brand has always been at least up till now seen as a coveted premium brand. It is being viewed very differently now and is going to continue to be viewed negatively if the continued lack of focus and cohesiveness along with the knee jerk marketing decisions continue. This is viewed in the current downward valuation trend, even after the Y release and hint of the future pickup.

howard | March 18, 2019

TM3Q, It is about establishing a business model that is profitable and sustainable.

Giving his patents away was a very cool and admirable thing to do. So there is the path to the masses? He even provided a complete Smart EV to MB, an even bigger gesture.

Like it or not Tesla the brand has always been at least up till now seen as a coveted premium brand. It is being viewed very differently now and is going to continue to be viewed negatively if the continued lack of focus and cohesiveness along with the knee jerk marketing decisions continue. This is viewed in the current downward valuation trend, even after the Y release and hint of the future pickup.

jimglas | March 18, 2019

@TM3Q: Almost correct, 3.2 seconds (also has track mode after recent update)

eztider | March 18, 2019

I too would pay to get some extra accel for my dual motor version....as I see it, a software upgrade to, say, 3.9 sec would be a private transaction between me and Tesla and all others can butt out. No one will even know what the capabilities of my 3 are but me and Tesla; there was not even an outward sign that my car was the dual motor version until I badgered them into installing the badges. You won't know I upgraded until you try and jump me at a light.

tom8959 | March 18, 2019

I suspect Tesla knows and recognises that establishing a profitable and sustainable business model is key to achieving their mission. How they go about doing it is literally their business - not ours. They've made some missteps, but on the whole I think they're doing pretty well.

And yeah, I'd pay $$$ to turbo-boost my Dual Motor :)

AWDTesla | March 18, 2019

Tesla, dont listen to Howard. Lots of us will hand over money for software upgrades that make the car more powerful or more enjoyable around a track. I'd pay $1000 just to have traction control off while I'm at bogie motorsports.

Except AP, tesla you're totally giving that to me for free because you fuct up my resale by lowering the cars msrp. So yeah, you owe me, oh no....even better....im ENTITLED to free AP.

There, that should get a bunch of panties in a knot.

lbowroom | March 18, 2019

I have a P3D- that was 11k more than the AWD at the time. However I did get 5k refunded. So I'm OK with AWD owners paying 6k to get the power unlock to 3.2 0-60

xtermz | March 18, 2019

What does the P3D- physically have that LR AWD doesn’t? Is it all software?

amanwithplan | March 18, 2019
TM3Q | March 18, 2019

@lbowroom

Ohhhh so it cost you 6K!!!!

Ok now I want 3.2 sec for 6K lollllll

xtermz | March 18, 2019

@amanwithplan sounds like binning for higher grade parts is the only difference? If that’s even true?

amanwithplan | March 18, 2019

@xtermz

As far as I am aware, that is all the information anyone has. All part-by-part disassemblies that I have read were on a non-P.

xtermz | March 18, 2019

@TM3Q or free for those who prepaid FSD and EAP before price cuts.

kallian | March 18, 2019

P3D- owner here, I am in full support of a software grab for the LR DM to performace, as per the chassis, there is nothing different other than 1) warranty support 2) higher binned motors.
If the LR DM motors just were that spec as they mass produced them and are not being utilized, they might as well cash grab this.

The extra cost will justify warranty if the motors had issues, but the influx of cash more than makes up for it.
Basically upsell when you do have money later, opposed at the time of purchase.

This will not make the P3D+ any more different than the P3D- , so there shouldnt be any sour pickles.
They still paid the same price (or minus 8 months of without P usage).

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