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Installation of charger requires a permit?

Installation of charger requires a permit?

I'm calling around asking for estimates for installing a charger in my home and one electrician said, "Tesla requires a permit be filed to install in a home." Is this true or just somebody trying to jack up the price? Any one heard of a required permit for a 60 amp installation. How much should these installations cost, anyway? Thanks.

jondc | November 12, 2018

Tesla does not require it, but your City will require it. Most people install without a permit.

dsvick | November 12, 2018

^^ Correct, Tesla doesn't require it but most city's do. As for cost that will depend on a variety of factors such as does your existing service need to be upgraded, length of the cable run, is there room in your panel, and others. Your best bet is to get several prices and compare them, that should give you an idea of what the range is.

Pelicans | November 12, 2018

Yeah, electrical code requires it. Permit is usually easy peasey and not a deal breaker. Permitted installs usually run 1-2k in my experience..

sheldon.mike1010 | November 12, 2018

Here's the downside of no permit: if somehow the house caught fire from electrical origin, a recent Tesla charger would be checked for permit. The Fire Dept. Official Report would prominently note 'unpermitted status'. As part of usual box-checking before making a big payout, your Insurance company might find that and deny your claim. Slim chance of that I know.......

roberttown | November 12, 2018

When adding a new circuit (circuit breaker, wiring) and/or outlet (charger) local jurisdictions (city, town, county) will require an electrical permit and inspection(s). These are, among other things, for safety reasons. Improper installations can cause risk of fire or electrocution. Permits themselves are usually not expensive (mine was $70.)
I got quotes from $275 (next to panel box w/o permit) through $900, up to $1,400. I ended up installing 18' from the panel box in the garage for a total of $150 permit and parts. A Tesla charger would not require more materials but would take more configuration/setup.

TranzNDance | November 12, 2018

The permit was optional, and I chose to get it.

ALDONY | November 12, 2018

I called my town in Italy and they said "Approved" so I went ahead and installed it.

gwolnik | November 12, 2018

Many progressive cities now have a special low permit rate for environmental improvements like solar panels and EV chargers. But the main reason is like sheldon.mike1010 said, to prevent your homeowners insurance from denying a fire claim if they find out you installed a line without a permit.

Atoms | November 12, 2018

A permit in Phoenix is $150. Cheap to make sure insurance company pays out for an electrical fire. Required me to stand in line twice and google to figure out how to fill out the forms. An electrician could fill them out for you. Expect $80 trip charge and $80/hr. About an hours worth of work to audit the breaker box and house.

My install was $600 and I did the permit, bought the materials, and contracted an electrician at $80/hr and there was 2.5 hours of work bending EMT, pulling wires, and torquing connections and installing the wall charger. The wall charger was another $500.

Yes, have a licensed electrician install and yes, get a permit. A small price to pay for security and safety. There are a lot of details to NEC code and an inspector will double check the electricians work. Having permit posted will keep electrician on their toes.

foodking | November 13, 2018

Check with your local govt on permitting before doing any work. Some places will only grant permits to licensed professionals. Luckily my county doesn't

Keepcalm | March 19, 2019

Anyone applied for their own permit? If so, would you be willing to send me any drawings you supplied? Bonus if you're in Chandler, AZ.

suddled | March 19, 2019

The city will never know, just install it.

Myles_Dmoso | March 19, 2019

@Keepcalm Usually that type of permit is "over the counter" and you electrician will pull it. The electrician probably does that kind of thing all the time. Cost should be minimal. However, be careful if you live in a home with old wiring...you might be doing things you never anticipated.

MyRedM3 | March 19, 2019

My electrician said the same - city will not know and its optional in VA. When I called and asked the county, they said its needed. Its only $100. I'll probably get it for peace of mind (read insurance issues). the outlet is already installed and works great. I see charging at 30 mi/hr on the 14-50 NEMA.

Magic 8 Ball | March 19, 2019

Can anyone tell me the actual value of a permit such as this?
The building dept. has zero liability if something goes wrong.
I have not heard of insurance companies looking to see if construction had a permit in an insurance claim.
We bought our original house "as is" with a lot of unpermitted modifications and we were still able to buy homeowners insurance on everything without "permits required" clause.

MyRedM3 | March 19, 2019

Magic 8 ball, it varies from county to county. go to your local county's website and search for electrical permit or just call the local office and they will tell you.

Regarding insurance issues, the concern is if you experience an issue when you are placing a claim. For sign ups, I dont think anyone would ask.

I've seen a lot of my friends and neighbors did not get a permit.

Pepperidge | March 19, 2019

Plano, TX requires a permit (and inspected by city)

Magic 8 Ball | March 19, 2019

Yes, I understand that permit requirements vary but why do they exist in the first place? I tore down our old home and built the new one and I educated myself on the whole process starting by visiting with the building depts 20 years prior to me actually doing the project (turns out they had record of my visit and that one visit grandfathered me into a bunch of stuff even tho' I did not start really dealing with them 20 years later FYI). I did everything from draw plans, several reviews (two public), and was an owner builder.

To this day I do not see the value of the government run building depts. and IMO it should be privatized. The building departments have zero liability so there is no risk to them if they screw up, so what value do they give me for my money? The soil engineer and structural engineer, sub contractors, owner, etc. takes on all the liability should something go wrong with the project, not the people I have to pay permit fees to.

MyRedM3 | March 19, 2019

Its a revenue source for the county for signing a piece of paper and take a short drive to your place :)

Halbach | March 19, 2019

There's a bunch of non-sense on here about insurance denying claims based on un-permitted work. That said, I'm getting a permit. In California when you sell a home you have to sign a statement that states all necessary permits have been obtained.