There are a few select pointers to news reports on the Model S Beta event in Tesla's blog, but compared to the actual repercussions in the media, that list is remarkably short:
Motor Trend: "First Ride: 2012 Tesla Model S"http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1110_2012_tesla_model_s_first...
Edmunds AutoObserver: "Tesla Wows with Model S Rides, Factory Tour"http://www.autoobserver.com/2011/10/tesla-wows-with-model-s-rides-factor...
AOL Translogic: "Exclusive: First Ride in the Tesla Model S"http://translogic.aolautos.com/2011/10/03/exclusive-first-ride-in-the-te...
I'd like to collect as many news reports and articles in this thread, as possible. From all over the world, in all languages. Please post anything you read, but make sure to avoid reposting links that have already been mentioned.
Here's a start:
CBSNEWS: "A glimpse at the future in Tesla's Model S Beta 1"http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/03/tech/cnettechnews/main20115140...
San Francisco Business Times: "Tesla Model S beta event scores with customers"http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2011/10/tesla-model-s-beta-...
The Truth About Cars: "Tesla Model S Customer Blog: Beta Under The Bright Lights"http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/10/tesla-model-s-customer-blog-bet...
AutoBlog: "First Ride: 2012 Tesla Model S Beta"http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/04/2012-tesla-model-s-beta/
Green Car Reports: "BREAKING: Tesla Making Faster 2012 Model S, 0-60 In Under 4.5 Seconds"http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1066795_breaking-tesla-making-faster...
Green Car Reports: "2012 Tesla Model S: Photo Gallery"http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1066856_2012-tesla-model-s-photo-gal...
Green Car Reports: "Tesla's 2012 Model S Charging Equipment. Redesign For Redesign's Sake?"http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1066861_teslas-2012-model-s-charging...
Green Car Reports: "What Kind Of People Are Ordering The 2012 Tesla Model S?"http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1066932_what-kind-of-people-are-orde...
engadget: "Tesla Model S test ride and factory tour" (great videos!)http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/06/tesla-model-s-test-ride-and-factory-t...
Hey this is cool! You have included those I found and several others. Thanks and keep it up.
I made an effort and googled around the German news pages. Not much to see there, unfortunately, but here is what I found. None of these articles features video, most merely show the well known photo material by Tesla. All articles mentioned in this post are German language, but I added a short English summary to each of them.
This is the only article in a serious, prevalent German newspaper that I could find:
Süddeutsche: "Evolution in der Wüste"http://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/tesla-model-s-evolution-in-der-wueste-1....
(This is an article as it should to be: An original, balanced and meaningful text of adequate length with just the right amount of technical detail and background. Remarkably, the author more or less explicitly states that any European EV-related efforts pale in comparison.)
The following are well-known and popular newspapers, but less renowned than the Süddeutsche and some others:
Berliner Morgenpost/Autobild: "Elektrisch, praktisch, schnell"http://www.morgenpost.de/newsticker/autobild_nt/Themen_nt/article1784593...http://www.autobild.de/artikel/tesla-model-s-sitzprobe-1938443.html
(The same guy writing for two different papers. Relatively short article with a positive tone: "Faster than a Porsche Panamera, more beautiful than an Audi A6 and twice the storage space as a BMW 5 series.")
Here is a larger technical news site, but it did not feature an original article:
c|net.de: "Tesla Model S Beta 1: ein Blick in die Zukunft der Elektro-Autos"http://www.cnet.de/digital-lifestyle/trends-technik/41556342/tesla_model...
(An accurate 1:1 German translation of the CBSNEWS article mentioned above, including the same factual errors.)
silicon.de: "Tesla Model S -- die Betaversion ist fertig"http://www.silicon.de/technologie/hardware/0,39044013,41556285,00/tesla_...
(Seems to belong to c|net.de somehow. Obviously, the author has read the CBSNEWS article mentioned above and has then written an original piece that is relatively short but still contains more technical detail than most.)
Then there are a couple of small blogs with -- I guess -- relatively focused audiences that I have never heard of before:
DailyGREEN: "Elektroauto Tesla Model S: Sportversion so schnell wie ein BMW M5"http://www.dailygreen.de/2011/10/04/elektroauto-tesla-model-s-sportversi...
(A relatively short piece with a heavy emphasis on the sports version and very little real information except for pricing and range.)
greenmotorsblog.de: "Tesla Model S Sport so schnell wie BMW M5"http://www.greenmotorsblog.de/2011/10/03/tesla-model-s-sport-so-schnell-...
(Similar to the DailyGREEN article but even shorter and less meaningful.)
The Motorist: "Testfahrt: Tesla Model S"
ee-blog: "Tesla Model S: Die elektrische Rennreiselimousine"http://themotoristblog.com/2011/10/09/testfahrt-tesla-model-s/http://www.ee-blog.de/2011/10/tesla-model-s-die-emissionslose-rennreisel...
(Two short and almost identical articles by the same author, one of the few German journalists who actually traveled to Freemont for the Beta event.)
Sorry for double-post. Blame it on the website hiccup. Tesla, you really have some homework to do here!
thanks for compiling!
Green Car Reports has compiled an impressive collection of Model S-related articles (from its own website only, of course):http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1067319_tesla-model-s-ultimate-guide...
Entirely unrelated, I was just browsing some old posts from this forum, dating back to 2009. (Posts from the old times are all marked as private, and therefore are only visible to reservation holders.) Besides the fact that many, many questions have received an authoritative answer in the mean time, it also strikes me that most predictions or announcements that Tesla made in the early days actually converted to reality. For example, they still stick to the original schedule, and they announced a sports version of the Model S with 0-60 of 4.4 as early as 2009. I think that's really remarkable and warrants a lot of trust into the team at Tesla.
Can you find any announcement that Tesla had to revoke, or any goal they committed to which they did not achieve? It's almost supernatural, but I cannot think of any.
They were late with Roadster deliveries and slightly hiked up its price, mostly due to the failed gearbox and failing ex-CEO.
Yeah, Musk is really keeping them focused and on task. I'm beginning to think the guy really is Iron Man!
Over two weeks later and I'm still reeling from the announcement that the Sport would be available at launch! I was at the door of the store before they opened the Monday after the event with check in hand.
I think it's worth adding this article to the collection:
The New York Times: Bucking Trends, Tesla Goes It Alone on Plug Designhttp://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/bucking-trends-tesla-goes-it-...
It's related to Green Car Reports' "Tesla's 2012 Model S Charging Equipment. Redesign For Redesign's Sake?" linked mentioned above.
And here I thought VolkerP and Volker.Berlin were alter egos. But now they're talking to each other. I guess that doesn't technically disprove the theory... but it definitely makes it more interesting.
They say the real problems begin when you start to answer yourself ... ;p
I looked at the NYTimes link. One of the pundits said nobody looks at a gas nozzle and wonders if it should be more attractive.
Um... no. Unless your gas nozzle is sticking out of the side of your car overnight.
I've got some concerns with the port though.
First, it's on the drivers side. Nice idea, but I'm seeign Charge Ports in paralel parking slots. In the US and Canada, that's the PASSENGER side. Basicaly, you'll never see a charger on the drivers under normal conditions.
Secondly, it's at the rear. Public chargers are at the front of the car.
Third, I appreciate a faster standard, but an ugly adapter hanging off the side of the car is unattractive.
Last, support for induction charging needs to be built in to the battery design, not as an afterthought. Induction. Nicola Tesla. Hello...?
We do not want the Tesla brand to be synonomous with "car that has 20 feet of ugly cable attached".
"Basicaly, you'll never see a charger on the drivers under normal conditions."
Excuse me, but the charger in my garage will be on the driver's side. Since 99% of the time, that's where I'll be charging it, and since I'd rather not have to walk around to the passenger side every single time I arrive home, I'm happy it's on the driver's side.
"Secondly, it's at the rear. Public chargers are at the front of the car."
What, you're not allowed to back into the parking spot?
Induction is still far too expensive and inefficient.
Again, 99%+ of the time, my car will charge in the garage. I think that will be for most folks. It's only the occasional road trip that might require public charging and I'm ok with the embarrassment of a cable attached to the car.
What I said was, "Nice idea, but I'm seeign Charge Ports in paralel parking slots. In the US and Canada, that's the PASSENGER side. Basicaly, you'll never see a charger on the drivers under normal conditions."
I'm talking about Charge Point public charging network. And parallel parking locations. That means curb side. Like a parking meter, if you will. You will hardly ever see a parking meter on the driver side of cars because we parallel park to the right in the US (the exception being one way streets).
With few restrictions you can park forward or backward in most parking spots, although there are occasional restrictions. Next time you are at your local supermarket, grocery store, work or whatever, pay attention. How many people park nose in? And how many back in? Um... About 95 plus percent park nose in.
So, yeah, you ARE allowed to back in. You're also allowed to stick your elbow in your ear. Doesn't make it easy.
And 99% of the time, my car will charge in the driveway, and that exposes 25 feet of cable. Good for you, but driver side rear is possibly the worst location for most drivers when considering all factors.
We do not want the Tesla brand to be synonomous with "car that has 20 feet of ugly cable attached". (jbunn)
According to Musk, it'll be more like "the car that has 20 feet of beautiful cable attached" :-D SCNR
Back on topic, I am having a hard time seeing the problem here. Tesla's problem, that is, not yours. A charge port is not a gas filler. It should be easy enough (and a little bit "revolutionary" at the same time, i.e., the idea should appeal to Tesla) to provide more than one charge port. Hidden in the light cover? Great, there are light covers on all 4 corners of the car!
It seems like the obvious way to go is to have a charge port on the passenger side as well, in the same location as on the driver's side. And if they try real hard, I am almost certain they may find a way to have a third charge port hidden somewhere in the front.
At this point, I hope that they simply don't tell us yet to have another nice surprise up their sleeve when the final production version of the Model S is released.
I have this picture in my mind of an S in the middle of the street with cables coming from four houses. The caption reads, "There goes the neighborhood", with a backdrop of the city in blackout.
On a more serious note...
Have there been any real/commercial examples involving a garage charging pad rather than a plug-in? I'm thinking something akin to the system that powers WhirlyBall* courts but with a smaller footprint -- intended for EV charging.
brianman, just in case you missed one of these threads -- they contain all we (the forum) currently know about induction charging. If you want to spin the discussion further, may I suggest to add to one of those threads rather than starting yet another induction discussion here? (Just saying, no offense)http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/inductionhttp://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/charging-inductionhttp://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/wireless-charginghttp://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/antitheft-charging-travels
I think we all agree Tesla put the charging port in the wrong place. Nissan got it right: it belongs in the nose.
Anyway, it really should be possible to have multiple charging ports for the same car, as Volker.Berlin says.
The charge port location is not a deal-breaker for the car, but it is annoying.
I like the charging port where it is. Of course I have an outlet in my garage that will match up nicely
"Can't please all of the people all of the time!"
Denis, I agree completely when people are discussing a Model S with gasoline generator... But I do not agree with regard to the charge port. Actually, here's an opportunity to please all people at the same time: Install multiple charge ports. I don't think anybody would complain about one or two additional charge ports, provided that there is one charge port in the location where they actually need it.
Volker.Berlin, I agree. Moreover, there's no one "right" place for a charge port. Even if I locate the outlet at my home to match the back left location, there will be other charging situations (parallel parking, etc.) where some other charge port location would be better.
The parallel parking issue raise above is the clearest example of why the driver's side is the wrong place if there is only one port. I can back into garage spots if need be, but not parallel parking spots. And I really don't want that little charge-port door and the charger handle sticking out into the traffic lane for bicyclists to smack.
I don't think it should be very difficult for Tesla to make one charge port in each tail light. After all, the car must be designed from the start to accomodate connectors on both sides for LHD/RHD cars. All they need to add is a mechanism that will disconnect the other when one is plugged in, for security reasons.
Each charge port added means weight and money.
That's true. So they could make it an option.
low number options are even costlier. A few years ago, electric windows became standard at least in the front doors of entry level cars because the demand for manual windows diminished.
That's a very well-balanced assessment of Tesla, IMO. This report highlights two fundamental questions:
Can Tesla sell lots of cars? I remain skeptical that Tesla can or should move into competition with Nissan. There is no car brand that simultaneously targets the mass market and to the luxury market. Tesla should take on BMW and the other high-end marques.
Will Tesla sell cars at all, in the long run, or will it evolve into a supplier of powertrains and systems to the established majors? While Daimler and Toyota may be willing to use Tesla technology to stay in the EV game, I cannot believe that either company will be satisfied in the long run buying the central component of their vehicles from a third-party supplier. This route leads to Tesla being purchased by Daimler or Toyota -- an outcome that doesn't square with Elon's personality.
This would make a great business school case study.
AUTOWEEK: "Can Tesla become a bigger company with Model S electric car? That's Elon Musk's gamble"http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111020/CARNEWS/111029987
edmund's AutoObserver: "Tesla Wows With Model S Rides, Factory Tour"http://www.autoobserver.com/2011/10/tesla-wows-with-model-s-rides-factor...
Speaking of news, here's a current article on the BMW i8 and i3, with a good photo gallery:http://inhabitat.com/photos-bmw-unveils-i3-electric-car-and-i8-hybrid-el...
and here's the Electric Phantom prototype in Manhattan:http://inhabitat.com/nyc/inhabitat-takes-the-rolls-royce-102ex-electric-...
No center console on the i3 either. Weird how the EVs seem to have that in common.
"The BMW i3 is set for launch in 2013 and the BMW i3 is due for release in 2014."
BMW i3 discussion:http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/bmw-quicker-tesla-bring-bluestar...
Seems to me that Tesla's long term viability as a drivetrain supplier depends on its patent protection and its ability to stay on top of technology developments with new patents. In Tesla's case, it isn't so much what is used- they buy the components- as it is how the components of the drivetrain are put together as a system. Tesla's current drivetrain is based on a unique approach with unique components that none of the other manufacturers have adopted. If well protected, that could last awhile, particularly if Tesla builds up economies of scale and low costs that are hard to match. They are beginning to do that now as a supplier to both Daimler and Toyoto.
If we listen to Elon's zeal for his mission-to cause the conversion of the auto mnarket to all electric, and if we consider that he still owns 30% of the company, it is unlikely that Tesla will be sold anytime soon. He is on record as not intending to sell.
Early in the video you can see the Signature badge on the trunk, not sure I've seen that yet.
Yep, it's also on the door scuff plates.
Charlie Rose interviewed Elon and Bob Lusk Wednesday (together). In the interview, Bob Lusk says "I honestly think Tesla's going to make it." He goes on to praise the Model S as one of the most attracctively designed cars he has seen. He also notes that Elon has put together a good team in all aspects of the car business.
Sorry, that's Bob Lutz, former vice chairman of General Motors.
And here's the link to the video:http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11984
Thanks for posting that...they mention it would take decades to transition to EV, but in our household, after delivery of Model S next year and Model X in 2013, we will be there in 2 years! Go Electric!!
Volker.Berlin This is by far the most significant interview Elon has participated in, his performance was flawless. Thanks for the link!
Adding the Car and Driver link: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-tesla-model-s-first-ride-reviews
P.S. Volker.Berlin is awesome, a couple of those I haven't seen yet, thanks!
Two interesting things I noticed:
The large screen automatically dims while the car is in motion to cut down on distraction.
Picture 14 of 18 makes the white paint look like a light blue.
"Picture 14 of 18 makes the white paint look like a light blue."
Pretty clear that that's reflected color; slides 2 and 13 show pure white.
Your spending at least $50k for a car, you can spend another $1k to move a 240V plug for ya! just saying... :)
Re: 1K rewiring
You might as well get it over with now. It won't be long before new construction housing will have high power outlets in every garage. Houses without will be seen as "old". EVs are coming, and the only thing that will negate this need is road system replete with inductive charging while driving.
Good demo of the touchscreen and iPhone app:http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/14/tesla-flat-pack/