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Model S doors - No frame

Model S doors - No frame

What does everyone think about the Model S doors? Did you notice there's no frame around the glass. I guess I have to open and close the door a few times when I test drive it again to see how I like or dislike it. Older cars that I have been around always had an unstable feel in my opinion (rattle when you close it, can't really push on the glass to close it, etc). Any other comparable car (BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, etc) that is NOT a convertible usually has a door with a frame. It just seems more practical and solid to have a frame.
So I went looking for non-convertible cars that have a non-frame door like the Model S. I found some high end cards, wow!
Any opinions about the doors?
2011 Aston Martin V12 Vantage Carbon Black (see door open @ 1:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZzVVVIKDxM&feature=relmfu

2011 Maserati GranTurismo S Automatica(see door open @ 3:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Gxx42aeOc

2011 Ferrari 458 Italia (see 2:29 & 3:07 & 4:20)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SmvL8pUtR0

Volker.Berlin | September 20, 2012

Any other comparable car (BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, etc) that is NOT a convertible usually has a door with a frame.

Not entirely true. The "coupe"-type cars frequently have frameless doors.

Here's an older thread discussing frameless doors:
http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/frameless-doors-model-s-d

IMO it's just a "coolness" feature with potentially a little weight savings. I have no strong opinion for or against it.

Michael23 | September 20, 2012

I like it because there is a sold chrome piece around the top of both doors whereas most cars are split at the frames.

mik | September 20, 2012

Personally, I drive an Audi A5 coupé, which has no frame around the doors too. The glass goes slightly down and up again when opening and closing the door.

My mother used to have a BMW 3-series coupé in the nineties, which had the same feature.

ruprecht111 | September 20, 2012

I have a 1999 porsche 911 with the same style of windows. The windows drop slightly when the door handle is engaged, allowing the glass to clear the roof and then return to position when the door closes. Never a problem, and tight as a drum.

Beaker | September 20, 2012

My 67 Mustang was frameless too. No need for that new fanged automatic window opening and closing when you opened or closed the door either. :)

Brian H | September 20, 2012

Beaker;
Though the expression is "new fangled", I think I might like "new fanged" better!
Fangled? Whazzit? GIYF ...

Hmmm. Fangled isn't exactly a word. Newfangeled comes from Middle English newefangeled, 'taken by (fond of) what is new. So strictly speaking, a person can be newfangled (trendy), an object is just new.

Brian H | September 20, 2012

Oops. I see there's actually a slight spelling diff from Middle English to now: fangeled vs. fangled. So newefangeled → newfangled. Two "e's" disappeared. ☺

MandL | September 21, 2012

Brian H: I can't wait til you get your car. Assume you'll be having too much fun spending time on the road to spend so much time in the weeds. ;-)

Beaker | September 21, 2012

LOL Brian you are one entertaining member of the grammar police.

Brian H | September 21, 2012

Actually I was complimenting him on a new expression, "new fanged". I rather like it! Then I realized I had no idea what "fangled" meant. So I checked.

Robert22 | September 21, 2012

Such the newfangled peloton are we.

Brian H | September 22, 2012

Just trendies!