Model S Replacement

Model S Replacement

I didn't know if this topic has been discussed so pardon me if so.

I was wondering what would happen if your Model S gets totaled in an accident or got stolen (less likely), would you have to be at the end of production line again? I think Tesla should give you a preference to jump back in queue and provide you with same or similar car.

EdG | January 20, 2012

I'm curious. Why do you think Tesla should allow a second-time owner to jump the queue? What's your reasoning for the increased priority? Depression avoidance?

Volker.Berlin | January 20, 2012

That's the kind of problems which I tackle when I have them. Until then, I take care not to have the problem in the first place... ;-)

Brian H | January 20, 2012

I think you might have to be leasing to get that kind of preference ...

petero | January 20, 2012

Wow, what a nightmare. Can you imagine finally getting to enjoy your long awaited “S” - only to lose it…Then having to drive a shitty rental car for a year while you wait in line. Sounds too awful.

I suspect the “S” will be desirable for those seeking terminal joy rides rather than a quick trip to the chop shop. So, I support Volker.Berlin – avoid the problem and make sure you have GAP insurance.

BYT | January 20, 2012

Aside from a really bad rear ending that damages the motor, what it the car would make it unable to be driven if it were in an accident?

Brian H | January 20, 2012

How about a successfully crumpled "crumple zone" that saved the driver and passengers a few dozen Gs of decel?
8-O !!

Or sprung doors. Or twisted frame so the front and back wheels didn't point in the same direction. Or ...

BYT | January 20, 2012

I have seen a lot of those kinds of issues get fixed, I think the battery pack is so solid that it can take a side impact and be just fine (I would love to see crash test results from Tesla). The front end doesn't have much, it can get pulled back out, the whole top side of the car is basically for accommodating passengers and adding comfort. I know that as long as my Model S could run and I can't get it replaced in a year, I know where to go to get it as good as new again (or close enough to it).

Teoatawki | January 20, 2012

Whoa! You're not a "glass half full" kinda person, are you? You don't even have a car yet, and you're worrying about replacing it after it's totaled! FYI: the owner who had his roadster with 400 miles on it, search for tesla prius toureg accident if you haven't seen it, waited 6 months for a replacement.

Brian H | January 20, 2012

Hm. Carbon fiber body, etc. Don't know if aluminum is lots easier to fix/replace or not, but it's not exactly your corner bodyshop kinda work, is it?

Brian H | January 20, 2012

I wonder how soon rental agencies will acquire S rolling stock? Probably find it hard to keep them on the lot, of course...


Hertz? Avis? Get with the program. Try harder!

Brian H | January 20, 2012

Speaking of fleets, I wonder (aside from the Iceland dude) whether any fleet sales/reservations have been made. And if so, what configuration? Probably waiting for at least late '12, to get some performance/cost endurance data etc. on the table.

Sudre_ | January 20, 2012

Not quite on subject but a thought on Brians H's rental comment...

I don't think I would rent an electric car while on vacation. There are no charging networks yet. It would have to be a Tesla with an 85kW battery and even then you'd have to be careful how far you drive. No good charging at 99.9% of the hotels to charge up with over night not even any resorts I've stayed at.... I can find a 120 volt plug but that's not near enough.

Residents having their car worked on would not have the plug in their garage to charge with unless they were an electric car owner. I personally wouldn't pay the extreme premium the rental company would charge.

EdG | January 20, 2012

And there aren't any Model S cars out there to rent, either.

SteveU | January 20, 2012

Since we are off topic... for what it is worth Hertz DID rent electric cars at the Fremont (California) BART station many years ago. I assume they didn't do well as they didn't last long. [Yes, these were dopey electric cars with short ranges... the point being to be able to take BART to Fremont and then get to where you want to get to near by (and be able to have a rental car facility without having to deal with gasoline and oil on site).]

... and this BART station is about five miles from the then-NUMI now Tesla manufacturing facility. Was Hertz just ahead of their time?

Volker.Berlin | January 21, 2012

"Hertz Says 'We Need More Electric Cars' After Year Of Rentals"

foto | January 21, 2012

I just hope that I wouldn't have wait so long or go buy another car in the time I'm awaiting my replacement S.

The same reason I would get full coverage on my Model S even though I might have paid cash for it or done with making payments. Uncertainties.

At the end of the day, I just want no disruption in the use of my car that I waited for so to be produced.

Larry Chanin | January 21, 2012

I just hope that I wouldn't have wait so long or go buy another car in the time I'm awaiting my replacement S.

So I gather that you would have no problems if a bunch of folks who happen to have accidents jumped in front of you while you were waiting for your first Model S?


Erik M. | January 21, 2012

I wouldn't mind letting someone who totaled their Model S cutting in front for a replacement. How many would total their car in a year? 10? 20? I have no idea but probably not even enough to delay your delivery even a day by the time the factory reaches full production.

petero | January 21, 2012

If you are that accident prone or unlucky, consider another deposit for another “S.” I’d say $5K (refundable) for peace of mind is a bargain.

Sudre_ | January 21, 2012

That is really cool Volker. It shows that people don't have the mileage phobia as bad as we think.

Altho, "Broome warned, it's his personal belief that it will take ranges of "close to 200 miles" before electric cars are suitable for the mass consumer market"

From what I read it's not residents or vacationers that are renting the cars. It's business men running shorter errands. Still it's really good news.

brianman | January 21, 2012

That "close to 200 miles" is amusing given that it means that even the cheapest Model S is in the ballpark.

erik | January 22, 2012

ranges at a constant 55 mph don't mean much to me. In my mind i deduct 30% of stated ranges, and then you have to factor in yearly degradation as well.

Robert.Boston | January 22, 2012

@Sudre_: it's certainly true for me that, 90% of the time I rent a car on business, I don't put even 100 miles on it. Airport->hotel->client office->lunch->client office->dinner->hotel->airport is the typical trip (potentially iterate on the day-time activity a few times). So even a Volt would typically do fine. A 40kWh Model S would be a luxury.

Hopefully Hertz doesn't require that you bring back your EV with a full battery!

Brian H | January 22, 2012

Hertz says it would take 2,000 if it could get them. So I expect Rich to plonk down $10,000,000 in deposits for 60kW Ses as soon as they are in production. And then probably the same a year later, plus another big wad for Xes shortly after that.

At about the same time, Avis and Budget and ...


stephen.pace | February 4, 2012

RB: Hertz will happily refill the battery for you for an exorbitant fee. :-)

Robert.Boston | February 5, 2012

Briefly, Hertz had a fair policy about returning a car short of gas; they charged a market rate for the gas plus something like $7, flat. I'm sure this was still profitable, but apparently less profitable, as they've reverted to their extortionate ways. I was running tight returning a car last week, and it cost something like $45 to buy a quarter-tank.

sunnysailor | February 5, 2012

Chicago at this point is pretty electric car friendly for car renters if Hertz buys and puts them in this area. There are charging stations in many of Chicago's urban public parking garages that are owned/run by the bigger parking garage corporations--at least in the downtown area.

gagliardilou | February 5, 2012

The other day I dove on a road where they were shoveling tar into potholes (Chicago area) and as I drove over it, well you know the sound of tar going all over your car, and all I could think about was how angry I would be if I was in my new model s! Then I realized its just a matter of time before the car has nicks, dings, etc... and then thought about how much the car is going to cost. Oh well thats life, but I never thought about it being wrecked beyond repair. I'm not going there.

stephen.kamichik | February 5, 2012

Hopefully TM will make touch-up paint available for those unavoidable scratches and nicks.

Teoatawki | February 5, 2012

Unavoidable scratches and nicks... Do you suppose my family will complain when I park .25 mile from the mall entrance?

Kallisman | February 5, 2012

@Teoatawki: Not as long as u go get the car and pick them up at the mall entrance when they finish shopping. That would even give u some alone time with your Model S. Win win;)

David70 | February 5, 2012

There's where the should put the charging stations anyway, so no one else will be tempted to park there.

Mycroft | February 5, 2012

Until last August, when I bought my SLK55, I'd never had to deal with this issue. Now I'm very conscious of where I park and how close I am to other cars; especially after having to pay to remove a vertical dent from my passenger door.

Robert.Boston | February 5, 2012

Please don't anyone here become one of those obnoxious people who parks diagonally across two adjacent spots to guard against car dings! If you're going to be OCD about this, consider attaching a car cover whenever you park in public.

mwu | February 6, 2012

I once sat in the car in a parking lot to monitor my son while my wife made a quick stop that turned out to take an hour. Three cars parked beside me during the time I was parked and all three of them let their car doors bump into the car. Not one of them looked to see if damage was done or even looked at the car they had bumped. If it had been anything more expensive than my wife's corolla I'd have been pissed instead of annoyed and amazed.

Mycroft | February 6, 2012

Yep. What makes it worse is that there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. The dinger is very unlikely to admit fault, even when caught in the act. They'll say they barely touched the car and any scratches or dents are from previous occurrences. I guess you could take them to small claims court; wouldn't that be fun!

My solution with the SLK is to park several empty stalls farther away from the entrance. You may have noticed that most people park as close to the entrance as possible. They're so allergic to walking, they'll sit and wait or drive around in circles for several minutes before they'll park a little farther away.

stephen.kamichik | February 6, 2012

Mycroft.....Yes, park and walk. My 1976 Datsun 280Z received several dings from car doors. I finally installed vinyl moldings along the sides of the car along a (factory designed) body crease. I will probably do the same thing for my model S.

stephen.kamichik | February 6, 2012

I will also park and walk.

Brian H | February 6, 2012

Will anyone install one of those little plastic clips at the edge of their own doors, to protect others you park beside? Sauce for the goose ...

stephen.kamichik | February 6, 2012

I meant the mouldings that go the length of the car. I would use a moulding the same colour as the car, therefore the moulding would not be noticeable.

petero | February 7, 2012

stephen.kamichi. Side moldings are ugly- no matter how you color them. The 'S' is auto art - Please reconsider. I have always been an extreme park and walk guy.

stephen.kamichik | February 7, 2012

Petero........Then I need a "Star Trek" force field to protect my model S. I agree with you about the mouldings, but dents and dings are also ugly. I am also a long distance park and walk guy.

BYT | February 7, 2012

Maybe Tesla will have a few refurbished Model S's around? Apple does for the iPhone, no, maybe? Different kind of car, different business model, greater opportunity?

mcornwell | February 7, 2012

Is the aluminum more or less likely to show a ding?

Volker.Berlin | February 8, 2012

Is the aluminum more or less likely to show a ding? (mcornwell)

I don't know which is easier to dent. That probably depends not only on the precise kind of material used (there are different kinds of steel and different kinds of aluminums), but also on the material thickness and the geometric construction of, e.g., the doors. I'd guess that aluminum is actually less likely to show a dent after a minor impact.

What I know though is that steel has a spring-like properties (e.g., old-school suspension is based on steel springs): It likes to return to its original form. Therefore, if you take action immediately after your steel car received a dent, it is relatively easy and cheap to return the material (close to) its original form.

Not so with aluminum. It does not make any difference between the intended shape and the shape applied by way of dinging. Cosmetic repairs will be expensive (and cannot be performed by your average body shop).

Robert.Boston | February 8, 2012

An increasing number of vehicles are shifting to aluminum panels, so hopefully an increasing number of body shops will have the expertise to work on them.

gagliardilou | February 13, 2012

Sounds like the model s is not only going to be a great car but it will also make people healthier with all this park and walk talk! An idea for the marketing chiefs at Tesla????

DrTaras-BreastCar | October 20, 2012

Anyone else previously totaled a Tesla and got another?

Can you rent a Tesla until your new one arrives?

janrune | June 6, 2013

Hi All....

This topic has become of interest to me...
My dearly beloved was totaled by a guy running a red light.
It does not look so bad in the pictures, but it's where he hit...
Drivers side rear door and wheel.

This brings up a an interesting question.

What is Tesla's official plan for spare parts production ?


P.S. I'd post a few pictures

Brian H | June 6, 2013

"... if I knew how" ??

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