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The Model S will be able to Auto-Steer, but will require more sensors for Semi-Autonomous driving

The Model S will be able to Auto-Steer, but will require more sensors for Semi-Autonomous driving

As an engineer, I'm skeptical that the Model S, in it's present hardware configuration, can have semi-autonomous driving by this summer. There are simply not enough sensors in the present build for the kind of situational awareness required for it. Semi-autonomous driving is provided as a result of the sum of the data fed back from the sensors, and the collective data are analyzed thousands of times per second and tied back to the power drive unit, steering, friction braking, regen braking, and traction and stability control. The current vintage of Model S autopilot cars (Q4 2014 to Q1 2015) have one front radar, one front monocular Mobileye optical camera, and a 360-degree set of ultrasonic sensors. This present configuration works great for TACC and collision warning, but I believe still has many sensor blind spots for total sensing and active maneuvering required of autonomous driving. (On the other hand, I want to make the distinction that it would be able to Auto-steer.)

Mercedes-Benz have been at it since 1998, so I think their autopilot technology is the standard by which Tesla can be measured by. Here's how the Model S stacks up (below). Audi, Infiniti, Toyota are also realizing that these are the minimum set of eyes for semiautonomous driving. I hope my current Model S is future-proof to accommodate these systems as upgrades, much like how Mobileye can be installed and programmed off-the-shelf.

I'm also optimistic that Tesla can quickly pivot their builds and are presently working on this hardware setup. Tesla's prime advantage over Mercedes-Benz and other ICE car companies is that electric motors have much finer responses over combustion engines for situations requiring very precise wheel response. The characteristic lag response in gas engines can add precious milliseconds when time matters. Tesla can also update software at will. Digital > Analog.

I would like to hear the point of view of 2014 S550 owners that are using this technology.

The illustrations below are for the Mercedes Benz system.
(click for larger images)

More:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/self-driving/how-we-gave-sight-t...
http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/self-driving/how-selfdriving-car...
http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/self-driving/2014-top-ten-tech-cars
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/161832-2014-mercedes-s-class-review-t...

keywords: TACC, autopilot, autonomous driving, semiautonomous driving, autosteer, auto-steer, autonomous, semi-autonomous
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Evino Veritas.

UPDATE: Elon did not say autonomous or semi-autonomous driving by this summer. He said Auto-steer. Clear distinction there technically. Inaccurately, the media is parsing semantics again for sensational headlines, or they just don't understand.

logicalthinker | March 22, 2015

i actually agree.

There are a lot of situations in which Tesla's current sensor array is not enough. Snow, ice, heavy rain. Etc.

You need multiple sources of data on the environment that the central car computer can utilize to create a dynamic assessment of the driving situation.

But I think Tesla's headed in the right direction.

TeoTeslaFan | March 22, 2015

I agree completely. The fact that the car can't see behind (except 5m sensors) or the sides, is a problem. I don't really mind if Tesla can't do this or that. That is not an issue that risks lives. The big issue is, Tesla is advertising things that it can't do, such as "automatically changing lanes". This is causing misunderstandings and I have proof of misunderstandings. Recently I sent them the following email. I think more people should contact them about this issue. If you scroll down below to the end of this page, there is a contact link.

To Tesla Motors, Autonomous Driving Engineering Team,

The Model S can not automatically change lanes. The driver is still required to check mirrors before initiating a lane change. However on Tesla website on the Model S page, in Tesla Blog posts and in Elon's interviews there is misleading information saying that Model S can change lanes automatically.

[Post script addition: This gives the impression that checking mirrors is not needed. At least one person here in the forum misunderstood the issue and thought I was complaining that Tesla says the car will initiate lane change on its own but it can't. No that's not the problem. It is clear that the car will not initiate the lane change. The driver will. What is not clear is, the advertising material gives the impression there is no need to check the mirrors. Therefore some drivers might not check the mirrors before they perform an autopilot lane change using only the turn signal.]

Media is repeating this incorrect information. This will cause accidents when this feature is enabled before people will assume they don't have to check mirrors.

Here is a recent example of media misunderstanding, 17 Mar 2015:
CNET: At 2:12 "Highway lane changing is interesting. You can do it by just signalling."
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvz8CVxgWw#t=2m12s

Here is another example, 11 Mar 2015:
Autolog: At 3:42 "It's got lane change assist. Basically all you have to do to change lanes is just tap the indicator and the car will actually do itself when it's safe to do so."
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vUeZP11kW0#t=3m42s

Side note: Tesla Motors tweeted about this Autolog video. Lots of people watched it and now they have an incorrect idea about auto lane change. Here is that tweet: https://twitter.com/TeslaMotors/status/575764162611183616

The Tesla blog post had incorrect information too:
Quote: "Model S will be able to steer to stay within a lane, change lanes with the simple tap of a turn signal"
Source: http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/dual-motor-model-s-and-autopilot

However, the main source of the incorrect information is the Model S web page. On top menu if you click on "Model S", on that web page it says this:

Quote: "Lane Changing: Automatically change lanes by tapping the turn signal."

That is incorrect. The Model S can't see behind. If there is a speeding car coming from behind on the lane you want to change to, there is no way MS can see it. The ultrasonic sensor range is only 16ft (5m).

Unfortunately in a recent interview on 17 Mar 2015, Elon repeated the incorrect information.

Elon Musk: "Even with just that sensor suite we can make huge progress in autonomy. We can certainly make the car steer itself on a free way and do lane changes"
Source: At 7:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDm6Snkle70#t=7m12s

Solution:
1. Remove the incorrect information from the Model S page about automatic lane change.
2. Remove the incorrect information from the blog post.
3. Create a video that explains how lane change works and how the driver needs to check the mirrors. Put that video on this website on the Model S page. Display a code at the end of the video and ask for this code to be entered on the touchscreen before this feature is enabled.

This misunderstanding could potentially cause accidents and bad press for Tesla. Therefore I want to bring this issue to Tesla's attention.

Regards,
Teo

Screenshot from current Model S page, that has incorrect information:

Screenshot from Tesla blog post that has incorrect information:

Tâm | March 22, 2015

@EVino

What do you think of LIDAR (dome on top) that Google are using?

I think Elon doesn't like it due to high cost.

TeoTeslaFan | March 22, 2015

Edit: cause accidents when this feature is enabled because* people

Captain_Zap | March 22, 2015

There has been threads discussing this. You might check it out via www.volkerize.com

EVino | March 22, 2015

@Tam, Google is in a different league. They are using lasers that can scan 360 degrees plus z axis, out to two football fields. Those systems are still expensive.

EVino | March 22, 2015

@Teo, I believe the Model S with present sensor stack CAN do lane changes can but only in very safe parameters. The present Mobileye monocular optical system is actually better than radar at gathering data for lane keeping, and so programming it do something like "is the next lane over clear?" might be well within its data gathering parameters. Maneuvering in and out of dense traffic objects is entirely different.

TeoTeslaFan | March 22, 2015

EVino,

I don't know why you are talking about "lane keeping". I have not written anything about lane keeping. I'm talking about autopilot lane change. Please watch these short videos that demonstrate autopilot lane change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7quu551ehc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QERGldfZA5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0vdNNzwxk

I have two questions:

1. If somebody initiates an autopilot lane change without checking the mirrors, wouldn't that be dangerous because another car might be approaching fast on the lane you are changing into?

2. The 3 Tesla sources I mentioned give the impression that you don't have to check mirrors. A misunderstanding is very likely. Those two media sources (CNET and Autoblog) have already misunderstood it as you can see in the videos. Don't you agree?

Tâm | March 22, 2015

This is what I understand:

Tesla "autopilot" is a subset of "autonomous."

You can hear the audio recording from OTA 6.2 announcement:

http://my.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/horses-mouth-full-audio-elon-musk...

Tesla will not enable "current suite" (that's hardware, I think) for parking-lot-to-Parking-lot autopilot due to the safety nature of unpredictable urban scenarios at midrange speed about 30 mph.

However, the current suite is fully capable of take over your driving from merging-in-ramp to exit-ramp in highway speed (as well as low speed as in summoning your car from Supercharger parking lot to the front Hotel.)

Thus, yes, you'll need to pay up for another "suite" for a fully autonomous system that knows how to maneuver in low speed, high speed and ALSO in mid-range speed urban scenarios.

When? "Soon!"

carlk | March 22, 2015

Ok but the fact remains MS will do everything S class can do if not a little more with the software update in three months. It's doing it in the simple functional way and not by adding everything you can think of. This is pretty much the fundamental difference of engineering design style between the two companies.

Tesla is catching up in this area very rapidly and should be able to take, and widen the lead at a fast pace. It's Stuttgart vs the Silicon Valley you can pretty much see what the outcome will be.

EVino | March 22, 2015

Teo,
I can't speculate on that. It's easy to confuse semantics with the whole business of autonomous driving. I was merely giving a comparison of what I believe are more complete systems at present. Tesla is incremental, and their functional wording can sometimes cause semantic debates.

Here's probably how it would work: I'm on my lane (lane #2). It will keep me on my lane for the next 40 miles. If I want to go to lane #1--it would require a visual check from me, then I would signal left. The car's sonar would perform a redundancy check that the left side is clear. The steering system would perform the maneuver, with the optical camera centering the car onto the next lane, then locking on the new lane keeping functions. Done. In the Mercedes-Benz system, they actually have rear facing radar to do the rearview check that I would need to do visually. So, in Tesla's case they would caveat that the driver needs to do this part. It's not unreasonable or impractical. We do it now manually.

TeslaTap.com | March 22, 2015

It's fairly clear the Google LIDAR system is the gold standard (and priced that way too). But it's ugly as sin.

For fully autonomous driving, there is no reason an alternate system (cameras, radar) can't do as good a job, but that's yet to be proven. It will be exciting to see the race to come up with the sensor suite at a reasonable cost that does the job right. I do agree that the current sensor suite cannot deal with every autonomous driving issues.

Likely lost in much of this is how utterly complex the software is to deal with any sensor suite and deal with those 1 in 10,000 cases. Often the 1 in 10,000 cases the human does something wrong too!

I do expect there will be situations where the system will say "Sorry - Autonomous driving is unavailable - please drive carefully". For example, snow with whiteout conditions or perhaps Autobahn where lane speed differences can be 80-120 MPH.

TeoTeslaFan | March 22, 2015

EVino,

I agree with you that more hardware is needed. With a side and rear radar, autopilot could do a lot more. Elon talked about this last week. The plan is to add more hardware in a few years, maybe 3 years. Here is that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDm6Snkle70

EVino | March 22, 2015

I would bet on Tesla. They have sister engineers at SpaceX building sensors on the Falcon9 that would allow it to land on a moving barge.

Regarding Google, they didn't start with the automotive mindset, so their scientists probably approached the problem without bias. I believe they are using machine learning (inductive reasoning) than if-else logic. The system has to learn and it keeps learning. Their first mistakes were probably very embarrassing, like running over animals. It will learn that mistake. Their goal is machine learning. For me, for now, I would be happy with a great adaptive cruise, some lane maneuvering around slow drivers, and collision braking, maybe one more year for Tesla's incremental push. Mercedes Benz is setting the bar for autobahn conditions.

TeoTeslaFan | March 22, 2015

I like Google's approach, specifically this part:

"Google engineers realized that asking a human passenger — who could be reading or daydreaming or even sleeping — to take over in an emergency won't work."

Source: NYtimes article: Google’s Next Phase in Driverless Cars: No Steering Wheel or Brake Pedals

WØQR | March 22, 2015

This is a great technical discussion. My compliments.

My main concern is indeed high speed aft approach. However, when I'm driving and checking the left rear view mirror 'objects are closer than they appear'--I'm not sure I could gauge a high approach at freeway speeds anyway. The relative speed would need high. I'm thinking that rear looking sonar might be able to do as well as I can visually. If you think about it, you only glance in that mirror for maybe 500 mS. Then forward then one last 500 mS look and initiate lane change. If someone is really cooking, you're going to get nailed.

I'm in fact wondering if this can work at all without a left mirror aft looking radar. Would do any good in the middle of the back of the car because it could be obscured by the car following you. You wouldn't detect the oncoming vehicle until you already IN the adjacent lane where you would be impacted. So you'd probably need narrow radar (lidar?) port and starboard to handle the transition.

WØQR | March 22, 2015

Okay, missing elements in my comment should read "..would need to be high." and "Wouldn't do any good in the middle.."
My apologies.

hammer @OR-US | March 22, 2015

@Teo-I did not misunderstand you one bit. I am clear in what you are saying. Yes, some of the media reports are wrong in saying that the car checks for safety first, wow, what else is new? TESLA HAS NEVER SAID THIS. The automatic lane change is in the context of automatic lane keeping. The car keeps in its lane, if the driver wants to change lanes, with full responsibility of clearance, the car will execute the lane change when driver hits the turn signal. THAT's all NOTHING more. YOU are reading way more into this than is being said.

You also never answered my question if you have ever actually owned a car or if you have even ever driven one.

georgehawley.fl.us | March 22, 2015

@EVino: I agree with the conclusion that the MS needs additional equipment to implement autonomous driving features, which suggests newly equipped vehicles, although it may be possible to use the current wiring harness to retrofit existing autopilot models with more capable sensors than they now have to be able to implement some subset of autonomous driving features.

But here's a mystery. Recently, I was driving my MS with autopilot at about 40 mph in a 45 mph zone. I was following what looked like a new Audi A8. I maintained about 4-6 car lengths following distance. Twice, when the Audi braked, the Tesla dash displayed a crash warning as I closed the distance to 3-4 car lengths. It has never done this before or since. TACC was not engaged. The A8 can be equipped with two rear-facing radar sensors. I'm wondering if this was the case for the Audi that I was following and, if so, was the Tesla sensor picking up radar pulses from the Audi causing it to raise the false alarm???

avanti5010 | March 22, 2015

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacks here. Many are accusing Musk of exaggerating. We will see. Tesla is designing the car, not the quarterbacks.

EVino | March 22, 2015

george, could it be your forward collision warning setting set to Early?

avanti, this is a technical discussion. We have not engaged in ad hominem attacks.

proven | March 22, 2015

Musk said recently that in order to be autonomous the Tesla would need an upgrade of hardware sensors. But he said they will be able to do highway lane/speed management with the current sensors.

It seems to me that Tesla needs to clarify what they mean about automatic lane changing because it could be read the wrong way. The way I understand it is that when the driver initiates a lane change the car will move from one lane to the other without hitting something that may be in the blind spot. But if a car is coming up super fast in the other lane it could get hit. And that's where the human initiating it comes in. As long as they clarify that the driver needs to check behind them first, it makes sense.

cquail | March 22, 2015

Is the rear view camera being left out of this discussion? If car behind to close do not make lane change. If no car close behind an analysis of the new lane could be made. These are the same decisions made by a driver now.

carlk | March 22, 2015

@avanti5010 You are absolutely right.

@EVino this is a technical discussion.

May I ask which autopilot/self driving system you have designed so we can make some technical discussion on the system? You come on the board with less than 0.001% knowledge of how the Tesla system is designed and works and you want to do a "technical discussion"?

AoneOne | March 22, 2015

Friday I drove to work as I usually do and pulled into my parking spot, approaching the sign-pole with the nose of my Model S. I was getting quite close but didn't hear the usual parking-sensor warning. Why? The nose of the car had been changed from black to white with a layer of wet, sticky snow.

Even something as simple as a parking sensor can fail without warning. Driver assistance? Caveat Emptor.

EVino | March 22, 2015

carlk, your constant rabid attitude is embarrassing. I won't tolerate it. Return to a being a gentleman. I've outlined here the autopilot hardware present on the current Model S build and compared it to the Mercedes Benz system. Those are facts.

logicalthinker | March 22, 2015

@AoneOne, but this sort of issue can and should be addressed in future hardware rollouts. There's any number of ways to solve any given problem, and I'd like to think Tesla will point-by-point address these limitations (such as your "wet sticky snow on the nose of the car" problem) so that the hardware + software is eventually better than a human.

Tâm | March 22, 2015

While we are discussing here, today, Sunday, 03/22/2015, Delphi is testing its coast-to-coast autonomous driving:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/03/16/delphi-autonomous-se...

3 front Lidar (unlike Google's: not on roof)
1 windshield camera

2 rear bumper Lidar

System's display:

carlk | March 22, 2015

@EVino You want to discuss facts but how much facts do you really know? Do you know how these sensors are integrated into the logarithm and why it will work or not work? Read my first post what you said is only about two different approaches but nothing to do with how they work. Eagles and bats don't have to have the same kind of sensors to do the same thing. Mercedes could be extremely behind in AI that it needed to put a lot of extra sensors to make the system to work---just a speculation but everyone is making blind speculation here anyway. The only fact that matters is when Tesla releases 7.0 that it works or not. Any speculations without the insight knowledge is futile.

jbmjbm22 | March 22, 2015

Maybe you should drive the Benz then if your that worried.

EVino | March 22, 2015

Thank you carlk. I'm a Tesla fan with the same faith as you that Tesla can execute. Elon Musk led a rocket company to demonstrate reusable rockets within three years. His dream for cars are equally big. As I said, my bets are with Tesla.

@Tam, I recall that Delphi also worked with Tesla on a related project. They put four radars and another optical sensor on a Model S. What Delphi/Audi accomplishes will help everyone in the transportation industry. The big battle will be between car companies pushing autonomous tech versus regulators.

Tropopause | March 22, 2015

I wonder if Tesla plans to utilize data from the rear-view camera for autopilot purposes?

Tâm | March 22, 2015

@EVino

I didn't know, but because you mentioned, I looked it up and Delphi did try on a Model S a year ago:

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/car-tech/delphi-s-5-sensor-system-wants...

It put on the Model S 4 radars and 1 "RACam"--(radar-camera).

It couldn't detect smaller figures like dogs and cats at that time.

I wish it would continue to test on a Model S this year but I guess they feel more comfortable with gasoline stations when it comes to coast-to-coast road trip.

AoneOne | March 22, 2015

@logicalthinker: https://xkcd.com/1425/

I'm confident, too, that the sensors will improve over time. Today, mine don't even have the diagnostics needed to tell me that they're out of service, so I'm holding on to my "archaic" (pre-radar) RWD S85 for a few more years until the technology is more complete.

Tâm | March 22, 2015

Mercedes-Benz F 015 Luxury in Motion could demo what a Tesla will be capable of in future:

https://youtu.be/SlfpZmCCZ_U

Brian H | March 23, 2015

Audi; for those who enjoy driving backwards! ;p

AmpedRealtor | March 24, 2015

Musk said during the 6.2 press conference that the current sensor suite cannot differentiate objects coming towards the car, such as pedestrians, at speeds between 10 and 30 MPH. The car can be relatively autonomous at speeds up to 10 MPH, hence talk about the car meeting you or parking itself on private property.

The omission of rear-facing radar is an obvious one, in my opinion, and something Tesla will likely remedy as they want the car to become smarter. The current ultrasonic sensors can see to a distance of 5 yards, or 15 feet. I feel this distance is inadequate to account for a speeding car in the adjacent lane prior to changing lanes. I think that if you need a radar to look forward, you probably also want one to look back. This would allow for rear collision warnings and pre-tensioning of the seat belts prior to the collision.

Grinnin'.VA | March 24, 2015

@ hammer @OR-US | March 22, 2015

You also never answered my question if you have ever actually owned a car or if you have even ever driven one

Since this is a discussion of 'automatic lane changing', a feature that isn't yet active on Tesla customers' cars, your question is irrelevant. There is no customer experience out there with it.

OP and others have reminded us that the current sonar sensors aren't capable of supporting safe autonomous lane changing and that Tesla executies' statements and Tesla's web site suggest that the 'automatic lane changing' of 7.0 will require driver involvement ONLY in deciding WHEN to initiate a lane change. I believe that is true. Furthermore, I believe that Tesla's public description of this new feature unnecessarily increases the likelihood that some Tesla drivers will initiate lane changes assuming that "all the driver needs to do is to signal the lane change". And that will be dangerous.

Grinnin'.VA | March 24, 2015

@ jbmjbm22 | March 22, 2015

Maybe you should drive the Benz then if your that worried.

And maybe you should refrain from arrogantly telling others what car to drive.

kwen197 | March 24, 2015

Grinnin'.VA, you got your 85D about the same time I did 3/6/15. Did you happen to take a peak @ the inside panels behind the rear lights? I did & I am hopeful of positive change.

hammer @OR-US | March 24, 2015

@Grinnin " Tesla's web site suggest that the 'automatic lane changing' of 7.0 will require driver involvement ONLY in deciding WHEN to initiate a lane change.

I thought that part of the decision making process of the driver in deciding WHEN to make the lane change was insuring it was safe to do so prior to activating the turn signal and that anybody that has actually driven a car would know this. I guess I was wrong. Nowhere in anything Tesla has said leads ME to believe that the driver has been alleviated of the responsibility of insuring a safe lane change by the "automatic lane change" feature.

TeslaTap.com | March 24, 2015

Not sure why so much talk on the lane change feature that no one has yet! Perhaps the feature will require a confirmation that the DRIVER has checked that it is safe to do the lane change before the change is made. Seems unnecessary, but then from all these comments, it appears some drivers are ready to make lane changes without looking.

Not sure I even see the value of this feature no matter how it's implemented. It is really not very hard to look and turn the steering wheel a few degrees.

Fully autonomous driving is another far more complex feature which may require more sensors depending on what it is asked to do. For example the current suite may be fine if you go into the slow lane and follow another car. No lane change needed to go from on-ramp to exit on a simple freeway. Perhaps not the fastest, but fairly simple and low risk with the current sensor suite. If it gets into a more complex situation than it can handle, the drive may be asked to take over. I'm not suggesting it will be this basic, but we may see an incremental rollout of as simple system to start with updates and improvements over time.

hammer @OR-US | March 24, 2015

@teslatap The only reason I posted on the subject was because of a certain posters repeated assertion that Tesla is deliberately misleading the public and creating a dangerous situation and encouraging people to write to Tesla about this yet unreleased feature. Unlike other people I can learn from my mistakes and will refrain from engaging this individual as obviously it does no good.

EVino | March 24, 2015

I would be extremely satisfied with

1) Adaptive Cruise
2) Lane Keeping
3) Collision Avoidance Braking

Managing speed and flow, staying centered on my lane, and safety stops are pretty much 99% of my highway on-ramp to off-ramp needs. I'll take care of lane changes myself, and I'll disengage once off ramp. Technically, the current hardware suite on the Model S can accomplish all three. This may be what Tesla had planned as a way to softly socialize the whole idea, then hit 'em with a bang on latter revisions.

sorka95032 | March 24, 2015

I can't imagine that the rear camera with the sonar sensors on the side aren't enough to clear the vehicle for a lane change. Any rear approaching car in another lane while you're traveling forward will result in a 2 dimensional surface area rate of increase which means something is moving closer. If it isn't, the the sonar is enough to clear static areas.

Whether or not there's enough processing power to make use of it, who knows? The camera will also not be very good in heavy fog while radar still is. However, rain can make radar useless while the camera is still useful.

Pungoteague_Dave | March 24, 2015

I am a huge fan of adaptive cruise and some of the other AP features. However, I confess to being baffled by the very concept of lane-change automation. What's the point? You're going to have to check mirrors and hit the turn signal stalk anyway, correct? What do we gain by having the car then nudge the steering wheel to execute the move? It will be perhaps a test drive "wow" feature, but self-parking is a lot more practical and cool feature if you want to watch the car swing its own steering wheel. Have we gotten to the point where it is too much effort to actually turn between lanes ourselves? We aren't proposing to have it steer around corners yet, so what's the purpose here except to prove it can do it?

Stiction | March 24, 2015

I'm also an engineer and wish Elon would tone down the rhetoric. What the hardware in the latest
cars can do is not capable of safe "autonomous" driving.

It's easy to handle the 99.9% of cases, it's the last 0.01 of cases that cause problems.

Driver "assist" features (e.g. blind spot) , auto park, auto summons on my own roads (driveway) yes.

"Autonomous driving" NO.

Elon is my hero, but he's being stupid here.

PS: picking up my 85D friday!!!! Whoo hoo!

Red Sage ca us | March 24, 2015

Stiction? I dund get it... How is Elon 'stupid' for saying the exact thing you did? He has said that Autopilot is NOT equivalent to being AUTONOMOUS from the very outset. I was barely thirty feet away from him when he said this.

TeoTeslaFan | March 24, 2015

Autopilot lane change is needed so you don't interrupt autopilot by grabbing the steering wheel. If this feature didn't exist you, re-enable autopilot each time you change lanes. Therefore it makes sense to add this feature. The problem is, there is now widespread misinterpretation that you don't have to check mirrors. One video reviewer said "the car will actually do [lane change] itself when it's safe to do so." That is completely incorrect. The car doesn't know when it's safe. It can't see behind.

Why are those video reviewers giving out false information? Where is this incorrect information coming from? Simple. It is coming from Tesla. Check my long message on page 1. Tesla says lane change is done automatically. The blog post said you only have to tap the turn signal. Elon said the car can do lane change. Of course Tesla is not giving out incorrect information intentionally. They are overstating the feature. This is one area you don't want to say misleading things.

I haven't heard back from Tesla after contacting them two times. I have now contacted Jerome who said he forwarded it to marketing. I don't completely agree with that action. Two of the suggestions I wrote in the email (part of #3 and all of #4) is software related. Just fixing the marketing is not good enough.

The Solution:
1. The information on the Model S page about automatic lane change can be updated.
2. The blog post can be updated.
3. A video can be created that explains how lane change works and how the driver needs to check the mirrors. That video can be added to Tesla website to the Model S web page. At the end of the video a pin number can be displayed. This pin number could be required to enter on the touchscreen before this feature is enabled after the software update.
4. After autopilot lane change is enabled, every time the driver initiates an autopilot lane change, a message can appear on the dashboard that says "Always check rear mirrors before initiating a lane change."

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When autopilot is active, if you move the steering wheel, autopilot will deactivate. That is a good feature. In an emergency you might need to use that. However, there is another danger here. Drivers might not notice that bumping into the steering wheel will disable autopilot. There was an aeroplane crash because the pilot didn't realize his knee touched the wheel. I wrote about that here: http://my.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/autopilot-killer-feature

EVino | March 25, 2015

@Teo: Actually, I don't think that's a true statement--your reference that "if you move the steering wheel, autopilot will deactivate." When the turn signal is activated, the car will allow the driver to take over the steering wheel for the lane change, if the driver wishes to do it manually.

All controls can be overridden without the system deactivating as a response. Take TACC for example. I can press on the accelerator pedal to go beyond the set following distance and TACC will not deactivate. If I release, it will return to it's program and continue on. This is by design. The rule is a driver can override autopilot anytime but in the absence of input it defaults to the autopilot program. There's nothing contradictory there.

Think of Asimov's three laws of robotics:
1)A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2) A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3) A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Lastly, it's the media implying Autonomous driving. I believe Elon's words for the for the summer release were Auto-steer.

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