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Navigation or xenon without the tech package?

Navigation or xenon without the tech package?

The only items I might want from the tech package are the navigation and xenon headlights.

(I saw that they have xenon lights available as add ins to existing roadsters.)

Any ideas of if it would possible - either through tesla or not - to somehow get navigation and/or xenon lights later on, without getting the tech package now? I'm open to speculation on future possibilities.

Thanks for your thoughts!

GeekEV | June 18, 2013

@S-Car-Go - Those LED bulbs you linked to are only listed as 650 lumens. That's ridiculously low for your primary headlights. Heck, I don't even use light bulbs that dim in my house...

GeekEV | June 18, 2013

FWIW, I found these figures quoted in several different articles:

> HID headlights have an output of 3,200 lumens compared to 1,000 to 1,200 lumens in low-beam halogen lights.

One thing that isn't clear to me is if that refers to one bulb or both. If both, then I suppose 650 lumens each (again, if that's per bulb in the listing) is fine... Shrug. I can tell you the HID kit I used is plenty bright though.

NICE | June 18, 2013

GeekEV,
I know that I'll eventually have to cave in and get the HIDs. The LEDs were cheap enough to give a shot first. I might even try these VLEDs before going to HIDs.

I'm going for the bragging rights of the first all LED Tesla Model S :)
Damn!... I just gave away my master plan!... LOL

Brian H | June 18, 2013

Snail;
Are you being LED down the garden path? You may lose your virginity.

RedShift | June 18, 2013

@s car go

"Really??? Your street cred just went down, LOL"

Oh no, NOT my street cred!!

Seriously, lumens are inversely proportional to the color temperature for HIDs. Googling should reveal you the right path through the, ahem 'streets'.

GeekEV | June 18, 2013

@S-Car-Go - Wow, 1200 lumens per bulb (that's plenty clear on that page)! I wish I'd found those first. I googled and googled but couldn't find any LEDs bright enough...

NICE | June 18, 2013

Brian,
No fear

RedShift,
"lumens are inversely proportional to the color temperature for HIDs. Googling should reveal you the right path through the, ahem 'streets'."
You're doing it again... Is it possible to go negative on street cred? LOL

Thats why I suggested the 55W HIDs. 10k at 5000 lumens it will be more than BRIGHT enough.
DDM specs; 3,200- 3,400 Lumens at 35 Watt and an astonishing 5,000 Lumens at 55 Watt
http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-HID-Kit-Slim-Ballast-35W-or-55W

Besides, it's not about the practicality of it. It's the cool factor. Blue is cool.

GeekEV,
Yeah the VLEDs are the brightest I found so far. I didn't get them because they were out of stock at the time.
My 650lumen LEDs came in today. I think they will be as bright as the halogens but white and only uses 9W. I'm hoping the reflector and projector lens directs the 10 5W LEDs properly. Stay tuned.

illioilli | June 18, 2013

@RedShift - Yeah I know; they can range on output and spectrum depending on the manufacturer. I'm hoping these are true blue. Will post some pics once I get em in and installed.

@S-Car-Go - Thanks for the links and looking forward to seeing how the LEDs turn out. I was looking too for LED options too, but never came across those.

NICE | June 18, 2013

It's Official! I claim to be the first All LED Tesla Model S owner.
All rights reserved. Bragging, whining, sobbing, etc..

Unfortunately, It's not bright enough for me. It was worth a try.
Up next, 55W 10K HIDs.

illioilli | June 21, 2013

@S-Car-Go - Nice Job! I stand witness, you have created the 2013 Tesla Model S-LED. Lookin forward to seeing the blaring 1200 Lumen glow.

So I hooked up the 10000K last night and was mighty pleased with the result:

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As for the other purpose of this thread... For now, I enjoy using my HTC DNA (ANDROID) for navigation as it is more convenient (accessing saved places and searching via voice commands and bluetooth) than using the touch screen. It would be great if you could sign into Google on the Model S and have the same convenience through voice commands, i.e. places you starred in your phone immediately available, search as if you were using Android native Google Maps. Or even add a micro-HDMI input to project your phone onto the screen or achieve via USB (probably legal limits to this though).

Brian H | June 22, 2013

illioilli;
please include width="600" in your HTML to make the pix column-wide.

Brian H | June 22, 2013
TFMethane | June 22, 2013

I really think the backup camera is a must. The model S actually has poor visibility out the rear window. You really have to be between 5'6" and 5'8" in order to get a really good view out the back window using the rearview. I'm only 5/10 and I lower the seat all the way, but I can't get the mirror positioned to let me see above the horizon.

The problem is that the rear view mirror only has one joint. In many cars, the mirror has two linked universal joints, so you can move the entire mirror up and down in addition to angling it. The Model S mirror only angles. Combine this with a small rear window aperture due to the steep angle of the rear liftgate, and you get poor rear visibility.

I like to leave the rear camera on all the time to see behind me better. I only wish I could take it out of fisheye mode.

TFMethane | June 22, 2013

sorry 5'10"

NICE | June 22, 2013

Nice install. The Color is perfect. Did your need to use an error eliminator?

ChasF | June 23, 2013

I installed my Kensun 6K Xenons last week and have to admit I'm very pleased with the result. The color seems to be a perfect match for the surrounding DRLs, which was the most annoying aspect of having halogens for me. What is more amazing is how the company can sell this kit for under $70! The case it arrived in looks as though it could.cost that much by itself.
Install was relatively easy. It took me about two hours, but I didn't go the extra step to remove the wheels. This made getting access to the lens housing more difficult and time consuming. I also took my time performing a mod to my brand new car. Doing this again would not take more than 1 hour.
I would post pics, but they would look almost identical to those already posted here.

illioilli | June 23, 2013

@S-Car-Go - Thanks, I think the color does go well with green. In regard to an error eliminator, I haven't felt the need to use one. How's was driving at night with the S-LED? Is visibility better or worse than before.

@BrianH - Aye, will do on following posts.

NICE | June 23, 2013

illioilli
I noticed you mounted the ballasts against the frunk wall. This is a bad place sine the service center removes the frunk liner when repairs are needed. If you do not relocate it, make sure the techs know its there or risk having it accidentally ripped out.

As for my S-LED, I only have the 650lumen LEDs installed. It's not bright enough for me. I'm used to the bi-xenon BMW HIDs. I was going to get the 1200lumen LEDs because I like the novelty of having an all LED Model S, but I don't think they will be bright enough either. So I caved in and ordered HIDs. Just to make sure they are bright enough for the 10k color, I'm going with the 55Watt 5000 lumen kit.

Are you noticing any issues from the HIDs? Another reason I wanted to use LEDs was to avoid any high voltage interference.

GeekEV | June 23, 2013

I haven't noticed any issues with the HIDs. They're awesome.

illioilli | June 29, 2013

@S-Car-Go - Good call, I hadn't thought about that... I'll have to re-position when I rotate the tires. Haven't had any issues from the HIDs either, as far as I know.

Roaming | June 29, 2013

I am about to buy a Model S WITH the Tech Package. IMHO, well worth the $s against the overall price of this car. Xenon: had them in a 750iL. Good night-light, well worth the cost. At 74, staying hassle-free (in lieu of installing myself). Have had enough of self-installs. :-)

BTW, am I (I am) missing something? An anti-theft package? Or is this item hidden in the features list someplace?

tobi_ger | June 29, 2013

Roaming:
There is a "Security Package" option listed on the purchase page (450 EUR for Germany).

NICE | July 6, 2013

I finally installed my HID lights
5000 lumen
10k color
55Watt

This is the brightest car lights I've ever seen.

Below is my white car compared to a tech package light.
Left side (aftermarket HID) Right side (Tesla HID)

View looking straight into the low beam HID lights.

Left Light close up

Right Light close up

View looking from Pedestrian line is sight

Low Beam

High Beam

Brian H | July 6, 2013

Shiny!
;)

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