Options: Enhanced Auto Pilot & Full Self-Driving Capability

Options: Enhanced Auto Pilot & Full Self-Driving Capability

I've touched on this once before but just wanted to clarify. Is there ANY advantages of purchasing the full self-driving option when ordering a Model S in the near future? It says active cameras change from 4 to 8 but that's not actually advantageous, or correct, until full self-driving kicks in/gets approved by regulators etc etc etc.

The only advantage that I've really been able to work out is that if prices increase, which they probably will when it actually becomes available you would have already unlocked it. Here in Australia, that could be 5+ years away.

Am I pretty much correct or missing something?

Or is it possible that maybe there will be elements of Enhanced auto pilot that get better with the 8 cameras as time goes on?

hoffmannjames | May 6, 2017

As far as we know, getting the FSD option will not impact the performance of EAP in any way. The higher number of cameras is strictly for FSD, not EAP. So at this point, the only benefit of getting FSD now is locking in the price to avoid paying more if the price goes up later.

james | May 6, 2017

Maybe some brownie points from Elon too ;)

Thanks for the reply, cheers.

Tarla's Driver | May 6, 2017

I thought a few months ago Elon said something about people who bought FSD would start to see features this summer. I think they have a plan to roll out incremental features and improvements, so we'll see how that goes. I would consider putting the money that FSD costs into Tesla stock on the assumption that if they achieve real FSD, the value will go up more than enough to cover both the taxes and the added cost for not buying it with the car. If you buy it up front, you get the advantage of being able to finance it with the car, which can make all the difference.

Solarfan | May 6, 2017

When configured, each feature costs $1K less if configured and paid for initially. So, you have a $2K certain cost reduction to order with the car.

SamO | May 6, 2017

I like Tarla's Driver's Hedge.

JAD | May 6, 2017

Fsd is suppose to start providing more features than EAP soon. What they are and when is not yet known.

bp | May 7, 2017

In the short term, AP2/EAP is likely running on the same software as AP1/AP, except using Tesla Vision instead of Mobileye for the input data.

Longer term, AP2/EAP is more likely to be running the same software as FSD. If FSD isn't purchased, EAP will only have access to 4 cameras. If FSD is purchased, before FSD has regulatory approval, EAP will essentially be the 8 camera FSD, except requiring a periodic touch of the steering wheel, operating in "driver assist" mode.

Would not be surprised for Tesla to start using all 8 cameras in "AutoSteer" mode in FSD cars sometime next year.

We purchased FSD for our S 100D, because we believe the additional cameras will make EAP better, even before FSD is approved for use.

Though, purchasing EAP or FSD right now has some risk - neither feature is available today (though AutoSteer is getting better with each release), and some owners may decide they'd prefer waiting and paying the extra $$$ after the functionality has been completed and fully tested.

Anthony J. Parisio | May 7, 2017

If one does not have the money right now for this feature it would be best to just wait for the future. After all many things that Tesla has done has gotten cheaper over time. An example would be the cost of upgrading from the 60 to 75 battery. It's actually cheaper now by $5000 or more . If one really has the cash to do this then by all means support Tesla. Nothing wrong with helping them get up and running faster with more funds.

Haggy | May 7, 2017

There will be a continuum ranging from where the cars are now to FSD, and they will implement features bit by bit until you can sit behind the wheel and merely monitor what the car is doing, after which it will be declared FSD once regulators allow it.

If there's a luxury tax based on the selling price of the car, you might be better off getting it later. You have to factor in the price difference. You have to factor in whether holding onto the money longer means more to you than being the first on your block to get piecemeal features. If you care that yours might make right turns on its own or stop at red lights on its own before it can follow the entire route, then you might benefit from getting it early. I can't say what aspect will be added when, but I do expect that they won't enable specific features until they feel they are reliable to a certain level. It's one thing to have a driver take over the steering wheel if the car drifts a bit. It's another to have the car start up from a stop sign when there's a car heading toward the intersection.