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parking sensor retrofit not ready yet but...

I got an email from ownership experience that says they are trying to assess customer interest in this. So if you are interested let them know. Evidently they are keeping track of who responds.

Updated 10/28

If all you read is this, then know that TMC has decided not to offer this as an upgrade/retrofit. They say the cost is about $6K. I have heard all sorts of reasons for this from you have to replace the bumper to you have to replace the system console computer. Not sure what to believe except that they are not going to offer it.

Adam S | September 22, 2013

Robert22 - That's a pretty strong statement, bordering on obnoxious.

I drove for 20 years without parking sensors before I got them on my Lexus ES350. I found them VERY useful. Now that I don't have them on my MS, it takes me just a few seconds longer to park each time. Does that mean I can't drive? No. Parking sensors are just another tool on which drivers have come to rely, much like mirrors and backup cameras. These things aren't "crutches", they simply make the car safer.

JoesP85plus | September 22, 2013

I am interested in the sensors....

JoeFee | September 22, 2013

I am interested in the sensors....
+1

Manta | September 23, 2013

I was contemplating after-market parking sensors but would much prefer Tesla's.

mrothman | September 23, 2013

Living in Chicago with a tight alley and tight garage, and planning on keeping my car for a long time I have been waiting to see if I could get Tesla sensors rather then after-market. Given how long I plan on keeping the car I would pay up for parking sensors. Not that I like spending extra money, but even at a few thousand dollars it addresses the biggest short coming for me. It could be because I moved from an M3, but the time savings in parking easily makes it worth the extra expense.

daveyb23 | September 23, 2013

I'd be interested too. I think that this may be a requirement going into the self-driving car. How else would the car know what is in front or behind you? Also, would it be unreasonable to thin that side sensors might be coming too as well as lane departure sensors? These might be needed too for the self driving car... Just something to think about. I agree, the front and side camera would be cool too!

MandL | September 23, 2013

From what I've heard they are only useful down to about 18 inches. That's not particularly helpful to me. Camera would definitely be better.

GaryREM.va.us | September 23, 2013

Adam S +1

I tired of this attitude "real men don't use…" and "learn to drive".

Many of the features people are talking about are helpful items that can get you out of a jam or help when you might be distracted.

SarahsDad | September 23, 2013

I'd be interested but not as much as I thought I'd be. Now using the car the backup camera is fine for the rear, and I'm getting used to the dimensions in the front so not as much an issue as I thought.

So yeah, I'll upgrade if it's in the $1,500 or less range, but not above. And I agree with others that it's more likely to be > $2,500 for the retrofit.

DanD | September 23, 2013

I'm interested. I've already damaged my bumper 3 times making a tight turn into my garage.

Would really enjoy an auto park feature that reliability makes the tight turn for me.

AmpedRealtor | September 23, 2013

@ Robert22,

Respectfully, any car that "drives itself" will require front and rear sensors and/or additional cameras with which to see. You're saying that it's not okay for a human to have the same assistive technologies as autonomous cars because, why?

I love my Model S, but I'm constantly getting out to to judge front bumper distance and height above parking curbs. Are you saying that only a good driver can divine the vertical distance between a parking curb and the front lip of your car? I would maintain such a feat could only be accomplished by a psychic driver.

Gizmotoy | September 23, 2013

@Amped: Curb heights are rough. I agree, there's no good way to judge them. Even the Leaf's fantastic AroundView 4-camera monitor wouldn't help you determine if the front overhang would clear a parking block or curb.

TGriffin | September 23, 2013

Definitely Interested especially in front where it is difficult to calculate/guess distances. I find myself parking too far away many times and getting back in to pull the car up ;)

Ohms.Law | September 23, 2013

I'm interested in parking sensors.

michael1800 | September 23, 2013

Consider me interested.

Thomas N. | September 23, 2013

Gents -

The parking sensors won't help. I have them and have had my car for a few days now.

They don't pick up the low curbs. The problem with the Model S is that it's got a profile as low as a 911 Carerra yet it's a large family sedan.

I also constantly find myself parking way too far back from curbs and have to pull up. There's something about the nose that makes it difficult to judge distance. The parking sensors are great for walls or poles but they don't do anything with low curbs.

Twice I've parked and literally had less than an inch to spare as my entire nose sat over the curb. No response from the sensors. In their defense it went through my thought process that they didn't beep because the obstable was too low and that might be great. Maybe that extra inch would have made the difference in them beeping.

I think the key is to raise the car the extra couple inches when you must park head-in to a curb. I never have remembered yet but hopefully it will become natural.

I parked at the grocery store the other night and it was one of those 1/2" above the curb deals and then a 911 pulled in next to me. I noted that his nose was the exact same height as mine yet he was two feet back from the curb. You can do that when your car is that short.

patn | September 24, 2013

@AmpedRealtor I agree, I'd rather have a front camera than parking sensors.

AmpedRealtor | September 24, 2013

A front end camera would help us see where the curb is and would allow us to stop just before the curb without guessing or getting out of my car to check. I don't trust any curb to be lower than my car. I put the car into Extra High suspension mode and I still would not have been able to clear this one parking curb. I don't know what those parking lot people were thinking.

SDR06 | September 24, 2013

I called them yesterday and they said they are still discussing it :) (BTW Same standard answer for last 2-3 months )

The sales lady said it will be very expensive because they have to change both bumpers. Come on Tesla, you are better than this. At least come back and provide a time table. I bet there are 100s of customers who would be interested in this I upgrade.

The only regret I have with my Tesla is that I didn't wait for 2 more months.

J.T. | September 24, 2013

Since Tesla has not yet offered front cameras as an option those who desire this should simply go to after market solutions. Lots of people have, some have done it themselves, some have added recording capacity for collisions and security.

Brian H | September 24, 2013

Hard to keep a forward-facing lens clear. Tiny little windshield wipers?

"Tiny license plates for bees" ;)

michael1800 | September 24, 2013

@Brian H - Good point. I didn't about that. No front cam for me then.

David Trushin | September 24, 2013

Just out of curiosity, without lines on the camera, how can you tell how far away an object that is not on the ground is? The scale appears logarithmic for ground object, but I don'think it is for say a car bumper on an SUV.

akikiki | September 24, 2013

@Thomas N

+1 I see/have the same issue with parking sensors. They don't recognize the low curbs.

akikiki | September 24, 2013

I took delivery on my replacement Model S less than a week ago. Today, I received an invite to fill out a delivery survey and I did. I received an email from OE thanking me and it opened the door to more conversation. I mentioned that OE should consider a survey to find out who is interested in retro-fitting for options such as parking sensors, because lately there's been a lot of talk on this forum about parking sensors.
Here is the (good news) reply on my suggestion from OE.

"We are most certainly aware of the amount of interest in the recently released options and the feasibility of retrofit to existing vehicles, and we encourage customers to write ownership@teslamotors.com in order to express this interest. All requests are logged and linked directly to the requestor’s account."

2-Star | September 24, 2013

The camera in back gets dirty too; easy to wipe if necessary. Front couldn't be much harder.

Brian H | September 24, 2013

Headlights vs. taillights? Which is dirty faster, harder to clean?

elguapo | September 25, 2013

For those following along, I just e-mailed with Ownership and was told the VP of Service (don't know who that is, but ohters here do) wants owners to know 1) TM hasn't decided when/if a retrofit will be available, 2) it will be "extremely expensive" if it ever is available.

I wouldn't hold your breath base on that. I'd love the PDCs, but I am not optimistic.

2-Star | September 25, 2013

Taillights get dirty faster and are harder to clean. How about the front camera right in the top middle of the Tesla T in the nose cone, behind an easy-to-clean lens?

lenniburke | September 25, 2013

i would definitely be interested in the parking sensors, especially for the front end.

Ddowns2050 | September 25, 2013

I also emailed ownership and here was their response. I copied and pasted from their email.

Thanks for your interest in the recently announced Model S features. We are currently working with our teams to prepare these options for production vehicles. While we do not have retrofit pricing for existing owners, we should have more information over the next several weeks.

David Trushin | September 25, 2013

So, i heard back from Peter Welch. He said they looked at the retrofit and determined it would cost $6000. A little hard to believe. However at that cost they decided not to offer it. Is this the final word? Who knows. However $6000 can pay for a lot of scraped bumper repair.

Crow | September 25, 2013

I don't need it for $6,000.

Thumper | September 25, 2013

How about a front camera mounted on a door handle extension mechanism. It swings up into place or extends into place when called from the dash screen. This would keep it concealed and clean. The extension mechanism is already engineered. A camera would be better than the sensor if it can be done. It would be another way for Tesla to be ahead of other brands.

Thomas N. | September 25, 2013

As somebody that has the sensors, at most I'd pay $1000 for a retrofit.

At $500 on a new order they are a no-brainer, but as I've stated elsewhere their value is diminished by their lack of downward visibility in the front. That fact coupled with the long and low nose of the Model S is a disaster waiting to happen and the parking sensors are NOT going to help you.

I've learned to back way off when parking. For some reason I assume that the back is always sticking out and that is not the case. I've since learned to park "short" in the front and when I exit the car the rear of the car is just fine in the parking spot.

There's a pic somewhere either here or on TMC of about 10 Model S's all sitting in a body shop without their front fascias. I now understand why that is the case and I'm telling you the parking sensors are of little value in those cases.

models11468 | September 25, 2013

I'm very interested but at a reasonable price, which is certainly more than original factory but even more certainly isn't 6K.

VincentH | September 25, 2013

I am interested in senors&wife +2
Vincent

evcarfan91 | September 25, 2013

$6,000? If that turns out to be what Tesla charges then it is just plain obscene and downright punitive. It would make me start to believe the whole "be the best car company" and "have the best customer ownership experience" is all just an act and not authentic.

I'd pay $1,000 for a retrofit but that's it. I finalized my order two days before Tesla surprise-announced parking sensors. I remain very disappointed I couldn't get them without cancelling my order and paying $4,500 extra just to get the same car with them.

jeremythehunt | September 25, 2013

How about they just sell us the parts for $500 and then we can one of the third party installers doing aftermarket installations install them. $6000 is ridiculous.

rfriess | September 25, 2013

There are few hundred of us that were caught in the middle of this. Those of us who had our orders in, but the car had not entered manufacturing when the parking sensors were announced. Tesla did an especially poor job of addressing this group by insisting on repricing the whole car resulting in an additional several thousand dollars for the same car, but with $500 parking sensors even though the car had not been started yet.

There needs to be a special accommodation for this, in my opinion, mistreated group.

AmpedRealtor | September 25, 2013

Phoenix service center told me two weeks ago that no parking sensor retrofits would be offered due to cost. They said the decision had already been made.

mark | September 25, 2013

+1 very interested in parking sensors

Brian H | September 26, 2013

Thehunt;
The integration with the dash screen is likely to require wiring changes which you won't be able to do, even with all the parts in your hand.

J.T. | September 26, 2013

Now that you know that a retrofit will cost $6000.00 would those of you who had the option to reconfigure at the time make a different decision to get the parking sensors?

elguapo | September 26, 2013

I don't think $6,000 is the final word. Also, TM is fairly smart and would realize they'd be better off not offering it then upsetting people by charging so much - I think they'd choose to just not offer it before taking the PR hit of saying it is $6,000. For $6,000, I could probably sell my MS back to Tesla and buy a loaner with the sensors.

Everyone orders with eyes wide open knowing changes will come. I did. I wish I had the sensors, knew they'd come out at some point, but chose to order anyway. More changes will come and, like other cars, if people want the changes bad enough, they'll have to buy a newer versions of the car. Not the best answer, but I think it is reality.

Thomas N. | September 26, 2013

It's not important enough. I don't know how many subscribers are on this forum, and how many of those are owners, and how many of those are vocal about the parking sensors. The rest of the 20,000 owners probably just drive their cars and I bet a huge majority of them don't even know there is an option for parking sensors now. They probably ordered their car a year ago and never looked at the website again.

Maybe 100 people total are vocal and upset about this. Out of 23,000 cars it's just not important enough.

The cost should surprise nobody. The center console is $1000, the trunk bag is $200, the parcel shelf is $250. What do you think two new bumpers, labor to drill holes, the actual parking sensors themselves, wiring harnesses and integration into the system will cost? $6000 is right about what I had been thinking.

biotweak | September 26, 2013

+1 Interested in the parking sensors modification

Interested in the child seat modification

Need the reverse parking guidelines!

booman | September 26, 2013

A rip off indeed, at $6,000

MandL | September 26, 2013

rfriess: Get in the back of the mistreated group line behind Signature owners, people without foglights, etc.

My car is awesome (Sig, VIN# 208). And I'm looking forward to all the neat new bells and whistles (self driving?!) when I replace it in 3 or 4 years.

avanti | September 26, 2013

Two things:
1) During my test drive, I asked the representative whether she had any good rumors about future features. Her response was "Nope. When the last changes happened, we didn't get any information about them until they showed up on cars." I think any Tesla field employee who provides "inside information" is most likely blowing smoke--probably no more reliable than the confident predictions made (should I say "made up"?) by some members of this group.

2) For those of you who are expecting a $1000 price on the sensors, please consider: You are comparing a factory-quality installation to the work of a guy-in-a-garage who drills holes in a bumper with a hand-drill, taps into existing wires with vampire connectors, and glues some kind of display to a convenient spot in the cockpit. There is no way that it would be wise for Tesla to permit such an installation by their techs. The owners of such cars would represent the result as Tesla work, and their friends would judge Tesla accordingly. The company would be crazy not to insist that a retrofit be of the same quality as a true factory install. That (apparently) means new bumpers, new wiring harnesses, etc., etc. $6K isn't too implausible. I agree that this does not seem likely to happen.

I fear you guys are just going to have to suck it up.

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