Reposting from TMC:

Petition to Overturn Dealership Franchise Laws
Click link to access White House petition to overturn mandatory automobile dealership franchise laws: Overturn franchise laws that limit auto manufacturers from selling their vehicles directly to consumers. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

GeirT | April 17, 2013

I find it amazing that laws like this even exist at this day and age, in in the US - the beacon of capitalism, free market and personal liberty. For a foreigner that does not know better it is really surprising. I mean, how come Apple can sell their computers direct and not Tessla sell their cars direct? The lack of logic is beyond me. But guess it is all about politics, special interests and cronyism. Or...?

herkimer | April 17, 2013

@GeirT Your guess is right.

lov2krz | April 17, 2013

I signed it.

mcptwo | April 17, 2013

Have signed and sent the petition to several friends. Please distribute this as widely as possible.

vgrinshpun | April 17, 2013

Tweet by Elon Musk:

@elonmusk: A @WhiteHouse petition to allow direct sales of cars by manufacturers: Please vote here too!

kback | April 17, 2013

Why does this say please ignore? Everyone should sign this!

Sudre_ | April 17, 2013

Signed and shared on FB.

wraithnot | April 17, 2013

Looks like the petition just passed 1,000 signatures! Still a long way to go to 100,000 signatures. But it's a decent start.

rdalcanto | April 17, 2013

Everyone needs to add the link to their facebook page.... We will never get enough signatures if nobody else knows about this.

Brian H | April 17, 2013

Threads that request members to ignore them get extra traffic, because members are perverse trouble-makers. It's a requirement for official status here. | April 17, 2013

Isn't this a state's laws issue? (not an attorney & signed the petition)

ddruz | April 17, 2013

signed it.

rlarno | April 18, 2013

@KevinR - Yes it is, but Elon stated "If we're seeing nonstop battles at the state level, rather than fight 20 different state battles, I'd rather fight one federal battle."

lolachampcar | April 18, 2013

not wanting to be a troublemaker here, but the laws serve a useful purpose. They are just being misused to slow Tesla. The real issue is can mfgs without dealers sell direct?

church70 | April 18, 2013

@lolachampcar +1

jjs | April 18, 2013

I agree that the laws served a purpose. However, that was a long time ago in a much different competitive climate. One could argue they are still useful. I am not sure. I am not for repealing them on the one hand, but fully support Tesla's move to take this nationally. They don't need to change the law, then don't even need to pass a new law. They just need to make it credible. If the various dealerships, and associations that serve them believe there is a credible chance that their protection could get overturned at a national level they will immediately, for self preservation, give up the fight. I believe that is was Elon and Tesla are after. I have signed the petition. | April 18, 2013

@vgrinshpun - Like it, but why does the title say "PLEASE IGNORE"? You can edit the title if wrong or delete the thread if a duplicate. Tap the Tesla icon at top for options (only you can make these changes).

JamesIwan | April 18, 2013

I just signed it!

Its ridiculous to let (AutoDealers) monopoly the buy and sell new cars.

RAFellows | April 18, 2013

Signed and posted to my FB page.

Sudre_ | April 18, 2013

-1 lolachampcar

The dealer franchise laws protecting franchises from their signatory automakers are good laws. If the dealers wish to use them as a shield to competition then get rid of the laws.

The laws that say a new car maker MUST start a franchise are illegal in my opinion. It's like saying that restaurants can only be safe for customers if they run franchises. It's just not true. It also does not harm competition to mix it up, otherwise all franchised restaurants would be out of business.

Some people like to go to the stores and shop for their computers. Other people know what they want and order online. How would you like to be forced to buy your next computer at Best Buy because of a law.

Don't give me any of that 'better for the customer' bull crap. There are already plenty of laws protecting customers. I don't see any forced franchised dealer association for timeshare sales and those things can blow the cost of even a Model S out of the water and you have no clue what you are buying even with a lawyer at your side.

L8MDL | April 18, 2013

Franchise laws prevent an original manufacturer from competing with dealers. Without them a manufacturer, GM for example, could set up a "dealership", provide cars for sale at less than MSRP, and put any and/or all dealers in the region out of business. What happens with the law is that GM says how many dealers a region can have and sells them ALL cars at the SAME price. Then the private dealers can cut their own deals.

Tesla is a conundrum for the existing laws, although without dealerships you will NEVER get any price breaks on their cars. I, for one, prefer the dealership model where price can vary. I love the hunt, contrary to most people.

Brant | April 18, 2013

Signed and posted on FB

illioilli | April 18, 2013

Signed & posted to FB.

vgrinshpun | April 18, 2013

TeslaTap, There is no error in the title.
The "please ignore" dare seem to be very effective around here in mobilizing into action the most discerning members of the Forum.

vgrinshpun | April 18, 2013

The slow rate of the voting on the Petition is puzzling. The rate is about half of what it should be as compared to what is needed to achieve 100,000 vote by May 16.

There are at least 9,000 Model S on the road by now. Just these 9,000 owners and members of their extended families could potentially drive the vote count above the 100,000 threshold.

C'mon members, need some action here! | April 18, 2013

It is on the Tesla Facebook page....Maybe you want to modify the title "please ignore after signing"

celtrog | April 18, 2013

I believe this law has already been tested in Mass.
The auto dealerships sued Tesla.
The judge threw their suit out.
Pretty good precedent

vgrinshpun | April 18, 2013

Celtrog, the problem is that Tesla does not need to waste resources and focus on individual fights in states.

It seems that Elon Musk's strategy is raise the bar by at least threatening to go to federal court, and also appealing directly to public.

That is where this Petition fits in the overall scheme.

vgrinshpun | April 19, 2013

Article in Washington Times on the subject of the thread:

Jolinar | April 19, 2013

I would like to sign, but I'm not US citizen :(

akikiki | April 19, 2013

Signed and happy to do so.

mlascano | April 19, 2013


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MSNGIRL | April 20, 2013

100,000 is a lot of signatures in 30 days. The pace its at now seems like it won't be enough. Will it get them all? I hope so! I signed and passed onto 5 others who signed and hopefully they passed on to others who signed as well.

george210 | April 20, 2013


george210 | April 20, 2013

4207 signatures remaining to be gathered as of 4/20/13 10:46am California time

Brian H | April 20, 2013

?? 95,769 remaining to be gathered, according to the website.

Brian H | April 20, 2013

There aren't anywhere neat that many current TM customers. You need to persuade other potential ones, en masse.

Brian H | April 20, 2013

typo: ... anywhere near ...

Benz | April 20, 2013

I am not a US citizen, so I cannot sign it.

How about Tesla Motors workers? Have all of them signed it yet?

vgrinshpun | April 20, 2013

There are at least 9000 people owning Model S in US by now. After spending significant amount of time on this and other forums, I have yet to hear from anybody who is not absolutely in love with this car. If each of owners would convince 10 friends and family members to sign, the goal would be reached.

I wish that people would be more active in standing for what they believe in.

MSNGIRL | April 20, 2013

@vgrinshpun - I agree. I also think Tesla motors should be involved in getting the word out through its employees. Between all the Tesla owners and employees spreading the word, I think that would accomplish quite a lot signatures.

kback | April 21, 2013


Brian H | April 21, 2013

And what makes you think they are not already doing so? Sheesh.

george210 | April 21, 2013

95,549 signatures needed as of April 21, 2013

thank you Brian H for the kind correction to my
prior erroneous posting

MSNGIRL | April 21, 2013

I havent heard anything from Tesla stating they passed the word. They certainly didn't pass it to customers. I never got an email. I only got word through this forum. If I wasn't looking on the forum, I would have never known about it. If one was sent out, I didn't get it. It seems to me there would be a lot more signatures. 4500 is not much at all for 7 days. It takes 2 minutes to sign the petition. I find it hard to believe that someone can't make the time. I guess most people just don't care.

bfranks273 | April 21, 2013

It was on TM Facebook. You can learn things from there, and also from Elons twitter.

herkimer | April 21, 2013

The rate of increase of signatures on this petition seems to have slowed to a crawl over the weekend. Time is short. It will have to spike quickly at some point to get to the needed numbers.

ravi411 | April 21, 2013

I signed the petition today. I was 4472.

Michael Dell wanted to disintermediate resellers and stores by selling PCs directly to consumers. He succeeded but eventually had to bring in retailers like Costco, Best-Buy in but paid a price when he did. When Dell was ready to embrace the Yretailers, they were not exactly not receptive. Your best leverage is when you have a unique value proposition.

My goal is to ensure a profitable Tesla for eternity!