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Porsche/Audi are basically going back to the drawing board with their EV program..........

Porsche/Audi are basically going back to the drawing board with their EV program..........

I couldn't stop laughing when I read this article from Electrek. Why I was laughing is because all of the so called auto experts spouting off about how easy it will be for any of the "big boys" in the auto industry can make an EV to compete with Tesla. Also, this article further illustrates just how far ahead of everyone else Tesla is.

https://electrek.co/2019/02/09/tesla-model-3-cost-surprise-porsche-audi-...

TeslaTap.com | February 11, 2019

Agreed, funny but a bit sad too. Considering many advancements were shown by Tesla in 2009 at the Model S introduction, and 10 years later, not a single automaker has delivered anything close.

Where are the large HD touch screens?
Where is the range?
Where is the performance?
Where is the utility (space, cargo, etc.)?

Odd how when the automakers are shown a perfect example on how to make a great car, they fall back to the old ways - grab a failed ICE body, try to cram off the shelf parts into it and hope no one notices they can only make enough to satisfy ZEV credits and milk it for some "green" cred.

jordanrichard | February 11, 2019

Their focus is just the bottom line for the next quarter. BMW even said that they need EVs to be profitable enough to make it worth their effort.

I was quite surprised by the breaking point of 600,000 e-trons that Audi needs.

It will be quite interesting on the spin they put on the news that they are having to reduce their production projections. I mean it was just a couple of weeks ago Porsche boasted about the large demand for the Taycan so they are increasing their production numbers.

I really, really wish on CNBC or any of these other channels would bring back these so called experts predicting Tesla doom in light of the competition and ask them what happened to their "expert" predictions.......

SO | February 11, 2019

“I really, really wish on CNBC or any of these other channels would bring back these so called experts predicting Tesla doom in light of the competition and ask them what happened to their "expert" predictions.......”

I think pigs will fly before that ever happens.

barrykmd | February 11, 2019

jordanrichard | February 11, 2019
Their focus is just the bottom line for the next quarter.

All public companies are like that, including Tesla. Did you forget about their end-of-the-quarter pushes?

hammer @OR-US | February 11, 2019

Several years ago I saw a video of one of Tesla founders (either Eberhardt or Tarpenning, dont remember which) talking about after leaving Tesla consulting with legacy auto makers about making BEV's. He said that the legacy automakers had outsourced all their tech design competencies , with the exception of the ICE. They had almost no in-house expertise in electronics or software preferring to buy off the shelf solutions. He said this was severely hampering their efforts to create a compelling BEV. I think we are seeing that factor coming to the surface now.

jordanrichard | February 11, 2019

barrykmd, I understand that, but Tesla is doing it with EVs. It is that focus that is stopping them being real serious about EVs. Audi and Benz's designs are clearly meant to also be ICE vehicles as well.

dougk71 | February 11, 2019

Tesla doen't have any ICE capital investment. All other major players do. For these players ICE is their seed corn and EV's eat the seed corn. They are content to make compliance EV's to get the fleet mileage up but that's about keeping up ICE sales of high gas consuming products. They are preparing to compete but until EV's take say 20% of the ICE market there is no good financial reason to do it. EV's are around 2% of overall car sales so the inroads Tesla has made in the luxury car market is much of a threat. The model Y and the Tesla pickup in high volume might start to be a threat but so far the MS MX M3 isn't. Pickups and mid range SUV's with ICE's are where the money is. Traditional manufacturers will try to control up the EV battery market and starve out competition for all but Tesla since they make their own.

jordanrichard | February 11, 2019

Dougk71, what isn’t being mentioned is that it is not just Tesla that is eating their corn, it is most European countries. Starting in 10 years, new ICE car sales will start to become illegal. This is one of the reasons the companies that are trying to make the transition now are European.

vp09 | February 11, 2019

Hammer it might have been Eberhard and Tarpenning together in their Stanford interview. At YouTube search "eberhard and tarpenning Stanford"