Prayers for those who live in Connecticut

Prayers for those who live in Connecticut

This is not about Model S, so I do apologize, but just wanted to say a prayer to those in Newtown, CT. To those who are buying the MS from CT, our hearts go out to each and everyone of you. I'm a father of a 2 year old and I cannot imagine going through what those 27 families are going through now.

thank you for your understanding.


dborn | December 15, 2012

+1 - 26 families. The murderer does not count.

jchangyy | December 15, 2012

thanks for the correction. just wrote the number down based on what I heard.

RZitrin1 | December 15, 2012

This transcends CN, and applies to us all. It is one of the unfortunate byproducts of modern American society that these events have become all too common, and are always tragic.

stephen.kamichik | December 15, 2012

The right to bear arms needs a serious rethink. It is a carry over from the wild west days of 150 or more years ago.

jchangyy | December 15, 2012

@stephen. I agree. It's a complicated matter. I believe in the 2nd amendment, but I think there has to be some control over assult rifles, meant for the military. we have to have a driver's license to drive a car. Not sure what it takes to own a gun--I don't own one.

second issue is mental health in this country. I don't think it is well addressed.

lots to think about....

Jon Wray | December 15, 2012

There have been shootings in other countries with stricter gun control laws:

I the above case, the shooter was a licensed firearms holder. I do think we need stricter gun control enforcement, but that alone will not completely prevent these tragedies.

jchangyy | December 15, 2012


I agree with you. there are other factors than stricter gun controls, including better mental health treatments, etc. however, US ranks #1 in the world with >11 events of mass gun shootings. #2 is Finland with 2 events. There is a lot of work to do (based on Mother Jones reports).

Brant | December 15, 2012

As a father of two elementary school age girls I cannot even begin to wrap my mind around this tragedy. When I try I get physically nauseated.

Brian H | December 15, 2012

US has 66X Finland's population. Per capita, its gun "massacres" are thus about 1/12 as frequent.

The 2nd Amendment was explicitly written to prevent the government form appropriating the only recourse to force. It was conceived as an anti-tyranny measure.

jchangyy | December 15, 2012

Massacre in china lead to no death because the perpetrator had a knife. China is more populous.

And what I said was control for assault rifles. Not get rid of 2nd amendment.

Brian, do you just like to antagonize people? Do you have children? People like you are part of the problem in this country.

JohnQ | December 15, 2012

This board has been mercifully free of politics. One thread has already veered into discussions about the veracity of global warming, let's avoid another. I live 15 miles from Sandy Hook Elementary and come here for a respite from this kind of thing. I have my own opinions that I share elsewhere but I keep them to myself on these forums. I kindly ask that others do likewise ... we can get riled up enough regarding folding mirrors and headrests.

jchangyy | December 15, 2012

@John...I'm sorry. I just wanted to send my condolences and that was my intension only since I have a 2 year old little girl and I cannot imagine going through what the families are going through there. I've also faced a lot of death as a pediatric oncologist during my training.

I will stop posting to this thread.

thank you.

JohnQ | December 15, 2012

@jchangyy, not faulting you for posting the thread and appreciate your original sentiments. I was referencing the subsequent discussion regarding gun control law and 2nd amendment. It can only go downhill from there. | December 15, 2012

We are all grieving in our own ways..sadness, anger, frustration. This is a terrible tragedy that words cannot cover. I live near Columbine and have treated the surviving victims of the school & movie theatre Colorado shootings. Hold your family close & talk with loved ones. Talk face to face. Talk.

TikiMan | December 15, 2012

I was shopping at Fashion Island (Newport Beach) this afternoon, and some NUT started shooting in the parking lot. People were running everywhere, it was crazy! Now mind you, this is the same shopping complex where Tesla Orange County has it's showroom. All the stores (including Tesla) when into lockdown, and everyone was scrambling into the big department stores for safety!

Me, I was heading toward the parking lot to make sure my MS was safe... (go figure). I wasn't remotely scared, I was pissed!!!! Enough of this crap! Time to start snapping the necks of these idiots, and put their sorry-asses in permanent traction from the neck down, so they can sit in a prison sipping through a tube!

Sorry for my rant, my emotions are very heightened right now :-(

Mike_ModelS_P457 | December 16, 2012

+1 @johnq. I live one town over, have a first grader, and knew some of the victims. Th condolences and thoughts are welcome.

Let the political discussion happen on political forums. This forum should be about the love and enjoyment of the car.

stephen.kamichik | December 16, 2012

TikiMan.....very disturbing....I hope that nobody was hurt.

Beaker | December 16, 2012

May not really be Mr. Freeman's take, but I saw this while surfing this morning:


Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

Vawlkus | December 17, 2012

+1 to Morgan Freeman.

For the record, I don't know the names of any of the shooters in any of these incidents, and I don't plan to change that anytime soon.

@Tikiman: I'd be down for that, but we'd get sued for putting them in traction.

RZitrin1 | December 17, 2012

The President spoke eloquently In Newtown last evening. Sounds like he, at least, will try to band assault weapons. Let us hope. | December 17, 2012

Morgan Freeman was apparently not the author of the Facebook quote. My concern with the faux Freeman quote was the advice to not look at gun control at the end...we must. It's not too soon to do something about this (and access to mental health treatment) and whatever else; It's too late for too many.

Tâm | December 17, 2012

Single Payer Universal Healthcare/Medicare for All, from cradle to grave is one of the best proactively preventions to avoid another tragic massacre.

Children need to be tended by health professional as soon as they are born. Throughout a person's life, both physical and mental health should be shamelessly automatic as a human right regardless of economic status.

We have so much money to bail out Wall Street, and it takes much less to cover all the US from birth to death. It is time to extend Medicare to every one regardless of age!

2009 CNA/NNU study which found Medicare for all/single payer would create 2.6 million new jobs.

jbunn | December 17, 2012


Brian is very witty, and I respect his opinion on many issues, but he enjoys being a contrarian. But he's certainly NOT one of the people that are part of the problem in THIS country.

He lives in a country where he enjoys many of the advantages that we don't have here, and advocates for many of the things are bad here. But he does NOT have to experience them. It would, I suppose be better for him to move here and enjoy what he's longing for.

jchangyy | December 17, 2012


Thanks for clarification. My initial intentions was to show my respect and condolences for the victims of this horrific incident. Nothing more, nothing less. I certainly did not intend to go into a ranting arguments with another poster. Especially when I had no idea that he doesn't even live in this country.

Having had personal experience with gun violence it's quite insulting for someone to talk about an issue they don't quite understand, nor everyhave to live with. I certainly have no respect for someone who makes comments without understanding the pain of those who live with the consequences of such violence. Now, I'm thinking maybe I should not have posted it at all.


Timo | December 18, 2012

@jchangyy, you wrote that Finland had two "mass gun shootings". How do you define that, and what is your source? I'll ask because I don't remember any. Usual "stole my father hunting rifle and killed someone with it" are quite normal, but these "go to school and kill everything in sight are new phenomenon".

I actually don't think that easy access to guns per se are fundamental problem here, it is the root cause of this behavior. People are getting ill (mentally), probably because uncertain future (and I'm not talking about 12/21/2012) and inhuman nature of the modern work environments (humans are treated like robots). This problem just gets more extreme consequences with easy access to firearms when otherwise sane person snaps. If you look at these cases not one of the killers were criminals in traditional sense, just ordinary people that snapped.

jchangyy | December 18, 2012

I think I either heard it on NPR or CNN. Can't remember exactly, but it was on a passing, so I think there are some "qualifiers" that people used to make that statement. I also found the below article that lists "deadliest"--whatever that criteria they used--, which shows higher frequency for US vs. rest of the world.

This does not include all the mass murders that's doing on in Africa, or other parts of the 3rd world....

I agree with you that the people are becoming more isolated in this country and it's that combination with easier access to high powered weapons that lead to such tragedies. It is also a newer phenomena, as you alluded to earlier, which is why we need to try to have dialogue to figure out a way to prevent this occurring again--if that's possible.

thanks everyone,

Brian H | December 18, 2012

Enjoy being a contrarian? I don't think so. But superficial answers and solutions often have 'contrary' consequences.

jchangyy | December 18, 2012

I ask everyone to please stop responding to this thread so we can let this topic drop. Let's focus on the car.

EcLectric | December 18, 2012


You obviously haven't seen the "Test: please ignore" thread lately.... :)

jchangyy | December 18, 2012

No, I haven't. Hmmm...I just thought I'd ignore it.

Brian H | December 18, 2012

No one ignores the "Please ignore" thread"! Blasphemy.

Timo | December 19, 2012

Looks like everyone have ignored it lately. Odd. | December 19, 2012

With the recent happenings in Connecticut, I thought "what can I do to keep this sort of thing from happening every few weeks?" Then it hit me. If the 2nd amendment the the US constitution where to be repealed , we could then have meaningful gun control. For instance, currently the courts prevent a college from prohibiting concealed weapons on campus. I consider that one of the many unwise (and unintended) results of the 2nd amendment. This repeal would not outlaw guns, it would just allow the sensible control of them. If we could get millions of signatures, (not just 25,000) maybe our timid politicians would take some action. I am signer number 2871.

To join me and sign a whitehouse petition go to

Thanks for your consideration

Brian H | January 2, 2013

It would be far better to require teachers to be armed.

Btw, why do you suppose Homeland bought 14 billion rounds recently?

Joshua Burstyn | January 2, 2013

"It would be far better to require teachers to be armed."

I think it would be far better to leave handling attackers to trained professionals like police officers, members of the SWAT team and the military. We look to educators to impart our students not only with scholastic knowledge but also to demonstrate how we should be getting along with one another. How can a teacher remain focused on teaching and epouse these values while attempting to secure a weapon? For that reason it should be clear teachers and weapons are incompatible.

Furthering the militarization of our society is a terrible idea when (as per the cartoon shared earlier) it would be better to put more effort and funding into healthcare for the mentally ill. I also think it's ludicrous to suggest putting more weapons within the reach of minors. (Or anyone for that matter.) How long will it be before a teacher's weapon is used against them by another staff member or a student? How long before it is stolen while the teacher is busy performing their intended purpose - teaching?

Too much opportunity for misuse or theft and too little benefit versus risk.

Sorry for the off-topic conversation and my condolences to the families of the victims.

montgom626 | January 2, 2013

When 500 black men die from “gun” violence in Chicago every year, no one cares, even President Obama, who calls Chicago his home. But if twenty six white people die, he is "outraged". Does the President consider a white life more valuable than a black life? Two hundred and fifty blacks die in Milwaukee, WI every year. The President says nothing. But if a white person dies from a mentally ill person wielding a gun, the President is outraged. Where is the outrage from our President when a black man dies? There is no outrage. Is he complicit in the slaughter of black Americans? Is this the cost of doing business in the inner city? Acceptable losses?

ChasF | January 2, 2013

The Tesla forum has reached a new low. Please let this be the last response to this thread.

Brian H | January 2, 2013

Police respond only after the fact. Armed individuals are not "militarized", that's juvenile stereotyping. And placing officers in every school is ruinously expensive.

"Solving" mental illness is not an option, either, in the real world. In fact, psychiatry has a success rate within a tiny margin of error equivalent to providing a period of quiet rural exposure. Or worse. Drug treatment is hit and miss, with side-effects which are frequently "stupifying", literally.

Handwaving fixes are not on.

Mel. | January 3, 2013

Jewish, you are not being logical... Why do you think all the schools with armed teachers never have a problem.

Mel. | January 3, 2013

J, I diid it again, how is everything in Canada, warm down here in southern Florida. Sorry for the mis spell

John.C.Jensen | January 3, 2013

As a footnote to painful commentary -

- let there be peace to the families touched by such pain.

- Let the wounds heal for those professionals who tried in vain to save their charges.

- Let there be compasion for a person so in pain that he thought that this horrific act would make things better.

From a neighbor who is also a teacher, let us live strong, showing our students the weigh forward away from the unimaginable and on to a caring world. For twenty six are to rest, but always in our lives.