Results for Poll of owners - how often will you battery swap

Results for Poll of owners - how often will you battery swap

There has been much discussion on the Forums about battery swapping and I think it might be useful to take a pole of current owners on the liklihood of using the service (if you are a reservation holder, please do not respond. I want the poll to capture people who have expierence using and charging the car on a regular basis). The poll should be based on Elon's plan as best we know it so far:

- ~$60-80 per swap, more $ if you dont return the battery.
- swapping is only for quick charge, not range extension (ie 60's get 60's and 85's get 85's)
- swapping only at SC stations (not service centers)

With this plan, how often do you think you would use swapping in 1 year. For comparison purposes, also answer the same question for SC use.

A) Zero
B) 1-3 per year
C) 4-10 per year
D) 10-20 per year
E) >20 per year

My answers are zero for swapping and 4-10 for SC.

After we get ~50 or more responses I will tabulate the results. Of course, there are may biases in this type of poll, but I think it will give some rough estimates.

Thanks in advance for participating.

June 25, 2013

OK, here are the results of the Owners Poll to date (this was done in the owners section and I have unrestricted it for all to see).

Battery Swapping Supercharging
A) Zero 50 7
B) 1-3 per year 12 10
C) 4-10 per year 3 24
D) 10-20 per year 0 8
E) >20 per year 0 9

While this survey has some inherent bias (note that I deal will large datasets and statitical analysis in my day job), it does look like that for current owners, only a minority (<~25%) will likely use battery swapping as currently understood. However, based on comments this number would go up if battery swap could also extend range (ie 60 to 85 etc). In contrast, supercharging is very popular and this survey suggests that the vast majority of owners will use supercharging.

Thanks to all for participating. If additional owners want add there input, I will continue to update the data. If a reservation holder or non-owner, please indicate this in your post.


Xerogas | June 23, 2013

A) Zero

(but only because your poll dictates that my 40 won't get range-extended)

If the poll is modified for range extension, giving me a one-week $60x2=$120 'rental' of an 85 with SuperCharging capability, then my answer changes to:

B) 1-3 per year for swapping, 4-10 for SC

riceuguy | June 23, 2013

1-3 swaps per year and 4-10 Supercharges per year (considerably more swapping if "renting" 85s is an option)

negarholger | June 23, 2013


nwdiver93 | June 23, 2013

A) Zero

.... although I might swap for a better battery... I have a 85 kWh now but I imagine that it will be a ~60kWh in 10 years... then it would be worth paying $100 to rent a 120 kWh for a trip from time to time. Wonder how long I would get to keep the 120 kWh before I have to pay the difference.

RedShift | June 23, 2013

B, 1-3 times a year.

TFMethane | June 23, 2013

B) 1-3 times/year. I would choose this over supercharging for the LA to vegas trip. Basically, anytime I'm on a solo road trip, I'd supercharge. Anytime I might be inconveniencing friends or pointing out the minor negative of having to wait 30-40 min in Barstow, I would just pay for the swap. Vegas is so expensive, anyway, I always plan on losing money on a trip, anyway.

rd2 | June 24, 2013

A) Zero for Swapping

C) 4-10 for SCs

xradr | June 24, 2013

A) Zero for swapping
C) 4-10 SC per year

elguapo | June 24, 2013

Zero battery swaps and zero super chargers.

Mike_E | June 24, 2013

Zero battery swaps

Zero SC stops since there are none in my part of the country... yet...

wbrown01 | June 24, 2013

A) Zero for Swapping

C) 4-10 for SCs

Carefree | June 24, 2013

a) once in a lifetime - just to experience it
b) 10-20 but only once we have SCs installed in AZ - right now we can't get anywhere using SCs

DickB | June 24, 2013

A and C for my MS with over 7000 miles. Got the MS lass December.

rdalcanto | June 24, 2013

A) Zero for swapping
A) Zero for supercharging

Road trips are with our motorhome pulling our Jeep behind us.

But I think it is a good Ad campaign for Tesla to be able to do both.

docdac | June 24, 2013

Zero for swapping,
4-10 for supercharging

vouteb | June 24, 2013

a : zer0
supercharging 3-4 times

Mireille &#39;&... | June 24, 2013

C) 4-10 per year for battery swap
E) >20 per year

We average two 2000+K road trips per year and will probably swap batteries at our first Tesla Station on the way out & pick up our battery on the way back. (Plan to do most on-trip charging via SC and overnight, but love the option to battery swap if in a hurry for some reason.) It will be nice to have the max range charge option while on the trip without worrying about possible degradation of our battery pack :)

Of course this is all a guess since we haven't been near an SC. We have about 13,600 miles all charging at home overnight (except for a couple of Tesla Store charges.)

eichtolu | June 24, 2013

1) zero for battery swaps
2) 10-20 on SCs once installed in southeast

RonaldA | June 24, 2013

when on long trips and there's a line at the supercharger

RZitrin1 | June 24, 2013

I think the keys are time and supercharger accessibility. Zero for now, but in a couple of years, maybe. Superchargers 4-10.

hfcolvin | June 24, 2013

Near zero for battery swap. However, I can see using it to venture out from the supercharger network somewhat over the first couple of years.

I'll use superchargers every 1-2 months in the I-95 and I-85 corridor when that's built out.

info | June 24, 2013

I am lucky enough to have a SuperCharger between my office and job locations and I charge there once a week. Last week I was there 3 times. I'm just not important enough to pay $120 to save 40 minutes. I've reached a point in life where slowing down, enjoying the moment, is a good thing. I look forward to charging and chatting with other S owners and learning from their experiences and sharing mine.

All this being said, there might come a time when it's practical to swap and I might do it. Here's my question. Elon said he'd charge the going rate for 15 gallons of gas. If the 85 battery is charged to 270, that means the car is getting 18 mpg. which is a bit below the highway mileage of most luxury cars. If it were based on 25 mpg or 11 gallons or under $50, it might make a difference. It is amusing that I consider this cost because before I got the S, I was paying over $100/tank and got about 400 miles.

TheAustin | June 24, 2013

A)Zero...I don't need to drive long distances very often, and when I do, I'm never in such a time crunch where I would only have 5 minutes for battery swap, and not 30-60 minutes for a Supercharge.

To be honest, I don't think it's a great investment on the part of Tesla, as I think it is something more to silence critics than a feature that a majority (or even a reasonable number) of Tesla owners will use.

herkimer | June 24, 2013

This poll is not useful.

zjmo2 | June 24, 2013

For me; Swapping is (A)and Supercharging is (D)

I would never swap my battery for another one unless I was guaranteed that the new one would be as good or better than my current one and I had an unlimited battery warranty.

mbcaffe | June 24, 2013

A for Swapping
B for SC (for now until number of SCs increase then will be C) | June 24, 2013

With current accessibility ( 950 miles from the closest sc) zero and zero.
with decent accessiblity in the future: swap (a), sc (d)

stevenmaifert | June 24, 2013

A) Zero for swapping.
C) 4-10 per year for Supercharging.

RAFellows | June 24, 2013

A for swapping
B for SC

EDH AL | June 24, 2013

Swapping: A)

SC: C).

keichhor | June 24, 2013

A) for swapping, unless I will be able to swap my 60 for a 85, 100, 125 ect.

B or C) for SC

KendallPB | June 24, 2013

A) 0 Swaps (in theory, maybe a couple, but I doubt it)

D) 10-20 Supercharges a year, since it takes 4 to make a round trip to Boston (2 each way) and I expect one around Richmond soon, so I'd have 1 each way to go to Raleigh. I'm not sure if you really mean "how many supercharges" (8-12 for me) or "how many trips using superchargers" (2-4 trips for me).

kalel65 | June 24, 2013

Me - probably not very often

I just used the Milford supercharger yesterday and the day before on my way up to Boston from NJ. By the time I had finished my sandwich, the car was charged up. Our rest breaks are usually around 20 minutes or so when we are on long trips so not really in a big rush.

I suppose if their were an emergency...

RCE | June 24, 2013

Swapping: B (1-3)
SC: C (4-10) once built out

gt1485a | June 24, 2013

40kW no SC...

Swapping: C

$11000 (upgrade to 60kW) + $2500 (SC installation) = N * $60 swaps....

N = 225

I could do 18 a year over 12 years and never equal the 60 + SC upgrade price...

Amp_On | June 24, 2013

1-3 swaps
5-10 SC a year planning to spend winters in NC and Fla

kalel65 | June 24, 2013

Me - probably not very often.

I just used the Milford superchargers on the way to and from Boston coming from NJ. When we each finished eating our sandwiches, the car was charged and ready to go - about 20 minutes or so - a typical rest break for us on long trips which is when I need a supercharger.

If it were an emergency then probably would....

NKYTA | June 24, 2013

B for swapping. D for SCing. Though swapping might go up if lines at SCs get dramatically worse in the future.

hademarco | June 24, 2013

1-3 for swap (will be making a trip to Wine Country maybe swap twice, once going up and once coming back, supercharge the remainder of the time)
4-10 for SC

jchangyy | June 24, 2013

A: 1-3 times a year for swapping.

B: >20 times a year for supercharger.

ramtaz | June 24, 2013

A zero swapping
F zero SC

dougarcher26 | June 24, 2013

Had my 60 for a month now. Love it.

Probably would never use the battery swap.

Definitely would use supercharging stations. Have already used all of them in CA several times now.

inverts | June 24, 2013

Swapping A = 0
SC: C-D, One trip from LA to SF is 4-6 SC stops roundtrip. and 2-3 trips per year.

GLO | June 24, 2013

A: 1-3 for battery swapping for long range travels since we have a 60kw battery.
B: We Supercharge at least once per week so >52 times/year as we have a supercharger located 10 minutes from home...

DouglasR | June 24, 2013

Swapping - Zero

SC - 4-10

Dr. Bob Reinke | June 24, 2013

Swapping "0" never, nada.

SuperCharging 20+ times a year.

hikerockies | June 24, 2013

Assuming SC and swapping were available in Colorado and surrounding states (end of 2014 maybe)- C for swapping, and E for supercharging.

jandkw | June 24, 2013

1-3 swap per year
4-10 SC per year

John56 | June 24, 2013

Swapping - 0
SC - 4-10

jd3tm | June 24, 2013

I just came back from a San Jose <> Los Angeles trip and found that using the Superchargers actually had a great UN-intended side affect.
Spending 20-30 minutes at an SC site made the whole trip more relaxing and gave us time to stretch and enjoy the trip rather than "just getting there as fast as we can"...

I DO see that battery swap has a place, namely for those unplanned, emergency trips where every minute counts so I'm glad it's there but I can't see planning to swap, ever.

Since I've already used an SC 8 times, I'd say I'm in the >20 times per year on using a Supercharger site. I hope to NOT have to use the batter swap.