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sharing cabin footage with Tesla?

I just wanted to see how many of you are sharing your cabin footage with Tesla? I've agreed to share everything else, but I have to admit that I'm a little hesitant here.

The agreement says the footage will be captured just before a collisions and will not be associated with your VIN. I find it a little strange that they specifically say that it won't be associated with the "VIN." They could have just said it will be completely anonymized and will not be connected with you in any way, but they singled out the VIN. So is the footage still linked to my account? My name? The address saved in homelink? The cell phone that was connected to the car at the time? It seems like there would be a pretty strong incentive for them to link the footage with drivers somehow, since it could provide proof that a driver in a high-profile crash wasn't paying attention like they are instructed to when using autopilot and that footage could potentially protect Tesla from a lawsuit or damage to their brand.

I think most accidents probably occur while both parties are not paying attention. So, there's a fairly good chance that any accident that you get into will be while you're yelling at your kids in the back seat or glancing down at your phone (yes, you shouldn't do any of these things, but people still do). If the other party's lawyer realizes there's a camera in your car and they subpoena Tesla for the footage, if its not really fully anonymized, that could come back to bite you.

bjrosen | June 27, 2020

I'm going to opt out. If Tesla was testing driver alertness or attentiveness then I'd say yes because there is an upside for drivers. Other autopilot systems do eye tracking to determine if you are paying attention, Tesla uses steering wheel pressure which doesn't work very well. However recording the last few seconds before a crash is just a way for them to shift the blame to the driver. The existence of that video creates a potential legal liability problem.

JimShaw | June 27, 2020

I've covered the camera to make sure it's not "accidently" turned on

stingray.don | June 27, 2020

I opted out of sharing cabin footage. Covering the camera is not a bad idea.

Mike83 | June 27, 2020

We opted in. It will be useful when we enlist our cars in the TeslaNet sharing program. Tesla has never been slimy like your car stealerships and has been honest with us.
Owning 3 Teslas for 7 years has been awesome for us.

EVRider | June 27, 2020

For those that don’t have the latest build, note that you have to opt in to share cabin video, it isn’t shared by default. Some previous replies mentioned opting out, which was misleading.

I chose not to opt in, because I don’t think any potential benefit outweighs the privacy risk. If Tesla decides to use the camera to monitor driver engagement rather than the hands on wheel method, I might opt in.

bjrosen | June 27, 2020

Is there any way check on the opt in/out status? I couldn't find it in the menus. After I clicked on No I wasn't sure if I had read the agreement closely enough, did I say NO I don't want to share the video or did I say NO I don't mind if you upload the video.

Mike83 | June 27, 2020

Also for FSD a camera may be mandatory for level 4.
Our Teslas have avoided any fender benders thus I doubt it will be an issue so I prefer Tesla to get more data.

M3phan | June 27, 2020

I opted in.
The opt in is found in the safety and security menu under data sharing. If you want to opt in to all the data options shared with Tesla, make all buttons Yes, then hit Submit.

M3phan | June 27, 2020

Cabin camera is tied to SW 2020.24.6 and up

EVRider | June 27, 2020

@bjrosen: The NO option, which was pre-selected on the dialog box, means no sharing. If you just clicked SUBMIT you're good. M3phan told you how to check the setting above if you're not sure or change your mind.

lbowroom | June 27, 2020

“ Tesla uses steering wheel pressure which doesn't work very well”

Probably just a poor choice of words, but just to be sure. You don’t apply pressure to the wheel as in squeezing, you apply a little turning force. No need to shake or wiggle, just a little torque.

M3phan | June 27, 2020

Tesla steering wheel torque awareness for AP works well. I’ve driven for hours at a stretch with AP engaged, one hand with resting weight on lower part of wheel, and not been nagged the entire time.

Jeff.s.may | June 27, 2020

“Tesla steering wheel torque awareness for AP works well. I’ve driven for hours at a stretch with AP engaged, one hand with resting weight on lower part of wheel, and not been nagged the entire time.”

Bjrosen might indeed have been referring to nag frequency or poor comfort/convenience in their criticism of AP’s reliance on steering wheel torque sensing.

But IMO the more valid criticism is that it’s a poor indicator that the driver is paying attention. You can easily keep a hand resting on the steering wheel while looking at your phone or even closing your eyes. That’s the main reason eye tracking is superior to steering wheel torque sensing in my estimation.

(Side note: I also did not opt in to cabin camera sharing.)

dgoderich | June 28, 2020

Mercedes has sensors that can track head movement. If a persons head tilts down and stays down for a certain time (like if you dose off) it will set off alarm to alert driver. The cabin camera in the Tesla what is it recording for? I am 53 and an Electrical Engineer and all for technology, but I am not that naive and willing to give up privacy like most young folks now a days. I think there will be a piece of black electrical tape over mine. I believe it is there to cover Tesla's rear end. Elon might like Tesla owners, but I think he likes his Billions more. Don't be a sheep until you get all the facts or a very clear disclaimer.

dgoderich | June 28, 2020

Mercedes has sensors that can track head movement. If a persons head tilts down and stays down for a certain time (like if you doze off) it will set off alarm to alert driver. The cabin camera in the Tesla what is it recording for? I am 53 and an Electrical Engineer and all for technology, but I am not that naive and willing to give up privacy like most young folks now a days. I think there will be a piece of black electrical tape over mine. I believe it is there to cover Tesla's rear end. Elon might like Tesla owners, but I think he likes his Billions more. Don't be a sheep until you get all the facts or a very clear disclaimer.

yudansha™ | June 28, 2020

Have enough of google interfering in my conversations. Covered the camera with a smiley sticker. I hope it’s the only one inside.

Lonestar10_1999 | June 28, 2020

The folks at Amazon apologized for snooping on conversations recorded with the Echo products and others controlled by Alexa voice commands. It would be a betrayal for Tesla to make unauthorized audio/video recordings especially for those using the romance-fireplace mode trying to conceive a love child.

M3phan | June 28, 2020

Yes. I do agree with eye or head tracking being more reliable relative to seeing that the driver is paying attention, versus a presence of weight on the wheel. I personally wouldn’t mind the cabin camera tracking my eyes and head especially if it meant I could take my hand off the wheel.

yudansha™ | June 28, 2020

Why do you need somebody to watch you to do the right thing?

SalisburySam | June 28, 2020

Did not opt in. Also covered camera. May change my mind if there are ever and benefits to me directly.

bvaglienti | June 29, 2020

Did not opt in and will cover the camera until there is a benefit to me.

jefjes | June 29, 2020

I've nothing to hide and don't mind even if Tesla connects to me or my VIN. If I'm doing something wrong that caused an accident and this proves it, I'll pay the price as I should. I wish it wasn't even an option to not have it on and wish all cars made it a requirement to operate the vehicle. I'm in the all for Big Brother watching out for me camp I guess. It's just another issue people are divided on and it's my opinion so don't go crazy attacking how I feel about it as I respect your opinions as being just that, your opinions.

bjrosen | June 29, 2020

I principal objection to the steering wheel mechanism is that anything more than the slightest force disables autopilot. You should be able to make a correction without disabling the system.

mark.larsen | June 29, 2020

I opted in. I have no problem with Tesla "spying" on a very satisfied, happy customer.

ken | June 29, 2020

I have come to terms with the possibility that Tesla will know how often I pick my nose on the freeway when i don't think anyone can see.

yudansha™ | June 29, 2020
jefjes | June 29, 2020

Read the article and I'm glad they looked into it. I'd gladly let them search my house, cars, online activity, hard drives, etc. if doing so keeps me and my family safe from terrorist/activist that wish to do anyone harm. I've had numerous background checks run on me for my previous military positions, concealed weapons permits, and even had an active license to buy and sell firearms for a while. Any legit government agency that wishes to can have access to anything they wish in my case but I respect that many people feel different and have their reasons. All the protests and videos showing how profiling and racism can lead to some terrible outcomes has opened the eyes of many people but I hope it leads to better use of government power than less of it as I'd hate to just rely on myself to enforce the law of the land instead of the authorities we've chosen as voters. If video evidence hadn't been available in many of these cases, we might not have ever known about them so I support more video and transparency not less.

Garyeop | June 29, 2020

Does the camera turn off when you turn romance mode on? Lol

I opted in. I use duckduckgo and turn most options off for companies spying on me. I simply feel driving data to make us all safer is important enough to allow.

andy.connor.e | June 29, 2020

@bjrosen

"However recording the last few seconds before a crash is just a way for them to shift the blame to the driver. The existence of that video creates a potential legal liability problem."

+1

I had not thought about it like that before. Tesla's heart is in the right place so to speak, but you made an excellent point right there.

Bighorn | June 29, 2020

Opted in, but I don’t let Google or Apple listen in at home, which seems super common these days.

Trekman | June 29, 2020

I opted in, I don't care if they see me singing! But I hope they can't "hear" me......they can't can they??

M3phan | June 29, 2020

Where there’s a camera on me, I assume there’s a hot mike.
; )

Tronguy | June 29, 2020

The SO and I had a discussion. So.. Why does Tesla want to see the inside?
1. They've had some interesting issues - the guy who got his passenger to shoot a gun into the battery comes to mind. (A Model S, but, still: The claim by the owner was the car caught fire spontaneously. Which got a lot of coverage until Tesla disassembled the battery and found slugs and the hole in the floorboards.) Not to mention the occasional run-away-car claim.
2. Accidents where, for example, the driver was playing video games. Or watching Youtube.
The above are all malefactors. But Tesla likes to say how safe their cars are. But the cars still have accidents. So..
3. The parent turned around, screaming at their child in the rear seat who won't stop hitting their sibling and then.. the car has an accident.
4. Sleeping drivers running off the road or similar. (I have this image of some driver, dead tired, who falls asleep on the interstate. Bells and boops don't wake the driver up. The car slowly comes to a halt.. and then gets rear-ended by a garbage truck.)

And then there's the Other Reason. Consumers Reports and, I think, the NHTSA has made noises that Tesla should do eye tracking or something to make sure that the driver is alert and paying attention. Maybe activating the camera lets Tesla, eventually, start working up to some kind of AI question: Is the driver paying attention or not? That, with or without being in conjunction with the torque on the steering wheel may be an improvement coming down the line in a few months or something.

I had turned it on. The SO wants it off while she thinks about it for a bit.

M3phan | June 29, 2020

Potentially help reveal what really happens during claims of SUA

ODWms | June 30, 2020

I’m in the camp that couldn’t care less. I see the technology as being more helpful than potentially harmful.