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Signature performance: spoiler or no spoiler?

Signature performance: spoiler or no spoiler?

I ordered my white signature performance witha spoiler. Now I'm having seconds thoughts. I think I got caught up in the moment (and I had my 18 year old son with me when I decided), but now I'm having second thoughts.
Is the spoiler douchey?
Probably too late to change (142) but thinking about it.
Any thoughts?

Tiebreaker | September 3, 2012

Spoiler. It is a @$%# performance!

BYT | September 3, 2012

I also am geting the Pearl White Signature Performance with the spoiler! I think it looks best on the Pearl White personally, gives it some true contrast in MHO. I also went with the dark 21" rims. I can't wait for mine and starting to get annoyed by all those who who I'm getting a Model S asking me, "when are you getting it?"

BYT | September 3, 2012

EDIT: who who = who know

jerry3 | September 3, 2012

It's supposed to be possible to remove the spoiler without damage by using dental floss. There are varying opinions, but it appears that the spoiler is just ornamental (kind of a check-box item because real sedans have a spoiler). So you can take it off later. I'd suggest not waiting too long though because it's likely that it will come off easy in the first few days but will get progressively harder to do as time goes by.

Larry Chanin | September 3, 2012

I'm going to have the Delivery Experience Specialist hand me the spoiler when he delivers the car. I don't think it is "douchey", but I don't think it adds to the look, nor help performance for the majority of driving situations. If I ever sell the car the next owner might want it.

The spoiler looks as if it were glued on to the car, which of course is exactly the case. ;-)

Larry

Teoatawki | September 3, 2012

"When will you get your car?" is getting reallllly old.

BYT | September 3, 2012

@Teoatawki, totally is! It's practically a thorn in my side now when people ask. I want the damned thing so bad and I just have to wait. Waiting is so, unAmerican... :D

Tomas | September 3, 2012

BYT: Ha! I ordered mine with the dark rims too, but chickened out and changed my order last month to the chrome 21" wheels instead (again, the 18 year old got to me). But, there is something cool about being a bit "understated" while you are blowing the doors off the completion.

sergiyz | September 3, 2012

I've looked at it in person and decided to remove. It serves no useful purpose and looks out of place with its carbon fiber "race car wannabe" attitude ;)
I think the carbon fiber air diffuser on the back is also being replaced by tesla since it didn't meet their expectations.
That leaves the interior carbon fiber accents which I was fine with.

BYT | September 3, 2012

Tomas, "But, there is something cool about being a bit "understated" while you are blowing the doors off the completion." That is cool, but on the other hand, maybe I watch to many nature shows but, a predator should look like a predator, as it's only fair to let your pray know that they may have bitten off more then they can chew.

Maybe my Model S should also have a black widow double red triangle on the rear to let those that I left behind know they just have been poisoned. At least I will not be since i don't have to smell all that exhaust they just spewed into the atmosphere! ;)

Tomas | September 3, 2012

When am I getting it?
Who knows? .... and it's killing me.
I'd like to think that at 142 it should be soon, but I haven't heard a word from the folks at Tesla.
I'm beginning to think that there is some sadistic psychopath at Telsa who is getting perverse pleasure watching us all in these forums trying to figure out when our car will be delivered.

jerry3 | September 3, 2012

Tomas,

This is just the last 15 minutes before the end of the train ride. Not enough time to do anything and too much time to just wait patiently.

Oreo | September 3, 2012

If you want to appear as anonymous as possible, go without the spoiler and the choose the 19" rims instead.
If not, go for the 21" AND the spoiler.
Which color are you going for btw?
I'm aiming for the Performance and always wanted a black car. The carbon fiber spoiler looks like it is not as noticeable on the black (I've not seen it in real life yet though).
On the white Model S it's obviously more visible. Now I'm even debating with myself to go for the white(!) because of the awesome contrast the carbon fiber details make.
Well, since I'm waiting for the European deliveries, I still have some time to decide.
The Model S still has a delicate design and the spoiler is far from "vulgar".

Most important though, don't let anyone else tell you what to do, but go with your gut feeling. I think you will enjoy your car either way.

Michael23 | September 3, 2012

Spoiler all the way with white. It's really subtle anyway. Why not get it? Great with dark rims. I don't think the spoiler looks bad on any color.

nickjhowe | September 3, 2012

@Tomas - I've ordered Pearl White with dark wheels, but unlike @BYT I'm going with the Tan interior (and carbon fibre) to lighten up the cabin a bit.

I decided NOT to go with the spoiler. It doesn't add anything aerodynamically, and I think looks like an afterthought. I think the white car/dark wheels is a great combination of style and implied power/sportiness, and the spoiler is a bit too "ooh - I'm sporty".

BYT | September 3, 2012

The Model S is a pretty thing, why not spoil her with a Spoiler?

Is it really just glued on? Will it not fall off over time from hot/cold variations and just time? Adhesives never last forever!! A rep once told me (about 4 months ago) it's held on with 2 screws originally drilled into the rear of the trunk.

Larry Chanin | September 3, 2012

Yes Ben, some sort of two-sided automotive tape. Which is why it can be fairly easily removed or "reglued".

Larry

nvjx | September 3, 2012

Larry Chanin | SEPTEMBER 3, 2012 NEW
I'm going to have the Delivery Experience Specialist hand me the spoiler when he delivers the car. I don't think it is "douchey", but I don't think it adds to the look, nor help performance for the majority of driving situations. If I ever sell the car the next owner might want it.

The spoiler looks as if it were glued on to the car, which of course is exactly the case. ;-)

Larry

I asked the reps at Tesla HQ if the spoiler could be hand delivered and the reply was a firm no. If you want it you have to take it with it glued on to the car. So, I decided to take my Pearl White/Black leather with glossy obeche wood and Silver 21" wheels without the spoiler.

Brant | September 3, 2012

Grey with spoiler for me

kpister | September 3, 2012

What evidence do you have for the statement:
"it doesn't add anything aerodynamically"
Given the size of the spoiler, your statement might be a reasonable first guess.
I tried to get the salesman to give me a number for the effect on C_d, but all he could say was "increases the downward force by 70% above 70 mph." He claimed that the engineers said that they hadn't checked the effect on C_d, which is not plausible.

nickjhowe | September 3, 2012

@kpister - check this thread, esp. the last post: http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/rear-spoiler-details

sergiyz | September 3, 2012

@kpister
That sounds greatly exaggerated.
There's no way it could add 70% down force just based on its size and geometry.
The closest I can think of would be a spoiler on an E39 BMW M5.
The rear spoiler (full length of the trunk, that is larger than on model S) creates about 45kg down force maximum at 150mph.
Model S can't exceed 130mph if it wanted to ;)
There's no useful effect of the spoiler on the model S, just added drag.

Brian H | September 3, 2012

BYT, Teo, Thomas;
"Are we there yet?"

Brian H | September 3, 2012

"NO! Dammit!"

Timo | September 3, 2012

I tried to get the salesman to give me a number for the effect on C_d, but all he could say was "increases the downward force by 70% above 70 mph."

That sounds big, but unfortunately we don't know what the downforce is initially so can't really tell what it is.

If that statement includes mass, then 70% increase is huge and it will definitely impact range. Does anybody remember if Elon car has one? If it does and downforce impact is that high it could also explain why car&driver road test with that car didn't get nowhere near 300 mile range.

gagliardilou | September 4, 2012

I also have a sig pearl white performance coming. I got the spoiler because I think it looks great on the white. Silver rims and no carbon fiber - went with lacewood. Wanted the white leather but went with black because my wife thought with our 4 boys, the seats would get awful dirty if white.

My opinion, keep the spoiler!

JoeFee | September 4, 2012

Michael23 | SEPTEMBER 3, 2012
Spoiler all the way with white. It's really subtle anyway. Why not get it? Great with dark rims. I don't think the spoiler looks bad on any color.

+1

mine = S1092 Pearl White, Sig Perf w/ Wht leather.

Delivery Date e-mail coming soon? When it does, Wiki 2nd post here:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/9489-Model-S-Delivery-Upda...

Teoatawki | September 4, 2012

My Tesla specialist confirmed when I was configuring that the spoiler had no effect whatsoever on range or handling.

Timo | September 4, 2012

IF both kpister and Teoatawki are correct (or their Tesla representatives) then it just means that mass is not included in the 70% and there is practically no downforce whatsoever created by aerodynamics of the car.

rterry | September 5, 2012

Michael23,
I agree with your thoughts on color, spoiler, and rims. I'm thinking black roof/no pano. What are you thinking? Thanks!

ddruz | September 5, 2012

rterry--Have you sat in the rear seats of cars with and without the pano roof? If you have not you might find it very helpful to do so before choosing the hard top so you can be sure of not having buyer's remorse later. Of course if you have sat in both and are OK with the very much diminished rear seat headroom of the hard top that is an entirely different matter. The difference is not even close.

Vawlkus | September 5, 2012

IMHO the spoiler isn't worth it. It's small and looks like an afterthought to me.
Such stuff just screams "tackey" to me, and that's the LAST thing a Model S is.

Michael23 | September 5, 2012

I've seen a black roof that looked nice, but yeah the headroom suffers greatly compared to pano. If you or anyone you know is over 6 ft then get the pano for sure. Also, it's really quiet when open so you can open it a lot.

The spoiler isn't for everyone and neither is cf so it's great they are optional. I thought the spoiler was very subtle and the quality of the cf seemed nice in person. It would feel less like an afterthought If they didn't drop the other cf accents from before.

olanmills | September 5, 2012

"Spoiler. It is a @$%# performance!"
"Spoiler all the way with white. It's really subtle anyway. Why not get it?"

It's funny how people can sometimes have such differing opinions, such as the above, which make the spoiler seem as an obvious choice.

I'm glad the spoiler is there for those of you who like them, but I have always thought they are wierd and funny looking. The one on the Model S is okay; it's kind of subtle, but I still think it's wierd looking And of course, on the Model S, it doesn't actually do anything.

jerry3 | September 5, 2012

olanmills,

Probably 90% of the spoilers out there don't do anything. They seem to be a check-list item that's supposed to say "I'm special". Mostly they just block the rear vision when backing up.

Timo | September 5, 2012

My first design was with spoiler, second without. The more I compare the two the one without looks better. In a car this ...smooth could be a good word to use spoiler looks out of place. Bullets don't have spoilers.

jerry3 | September 5, 2012

Timo,

+1. If it actually did something that would be different, but just to sit there looking dumb--well, there's plenty of corporate executives where I work.

rterry | September 5, 2012

ddruz,
You are absolutely correct in that the reduced headroom is something I need to evaluate personally before ordering. I have not sat in the rear seat of either type roof at the present time. I will say that I will have someone 6 feet or greater in my rear seat < 0.01% of all my driving time which is probably close to the percentage of time I have driven with the sun roof open in my BMW.

Tomas | September 8, 2012

Epilogue:
Chickened out and decided to ditch the spoiler.
E-mailed Telsa to ask if I could make a change.
Bad news: too late
Good news: too late because the car is in production and almost done. Yeah!
Better news: talked to the great guy at the Telsa service center who services my roadster who told me, no problema... 10 minutes and a piece of dental floss, and bam!, that baby is history.
Now I can live with it and see how big a Douche I feel like with it on.... and then decide.

TheAustin | September 8, 2012

I asked Tesla to have one of the showrooms take photos of a car with a spoiler on and email them to me, which they did. Initially, I was leaning towards the spoiler, but my wife didn't like the look of it....After seeing the more detailed photos, we both looked at each other and were like "Yeah...No spoiler!"

For those of you who are interested, I can forward you the photos...I'm happy to share them, but I can't post here...How can I share them on here?

jerry3 | September 8, 2012

TheAustin,

The best way is to post them to teslamotorsclub.com and then put the link here.

Larry Chanin | September 8, 2012

@nvjx
I asked the reps at Tesla HQ if the spoiler could be hand delivered and the reply was a firm no. If you want it you have to take it with it glued on to the car.

This is contrary to what I was told when I spoke to the Tesla Configuration Specialist prior to signing my paperwork. Maybe my guy was just faking it and telling me what I wanted to hear, but I asked him more than once.

Larry

jerry3 | September 8, 2012

Larry,

This is probably one of the many items that has changed two or three times and apparently the latest information isn't either disseminated or else it was missed. I suspect the "have to have it installed" is the correct version because they would be concerned someone would put it on crooked and it would appear as if quality control was lacking. (Not that anyone on the forums would ever complain about body items not fitting together exactly :-)

nvjx | September 9, 2012

Larry,

The guy I was dealing with was the "Team Leader" at Palo Alto HQ and no matter how much I tried I got the same answer - NO not possible.

Tomas | September 9, 2012

So many mixed messages. I know that somebody said that somebody at Tesla told them that it was not easy to remove the spoiler. Yet a service guy at the service center told me it was very easy to remove. ... Ha! With dental floss.

So, if he is right, don't sweat it. Take the car the spoiler and take it off later if you don't dig it.

Michael23 | September 9, 2012

Here's some real pics.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/10078-Our-first-18-hours-w...

I don't think you would even notice unless you were looking for it.

Volker.Berlin | September 10, 2012

I am utterly amazed how this thread lives on and on... It's so good to know that the "spoiler" question is among your most intricate issues with your new car! ;-)

TheAustin | September 10, 2012

Thanks Jerry3, I just posted the spoiler photos there...Here's the link:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/10084-To-Spoiler-or-not-to...

(Photos of the Model S spoiler from different angles)

BYT | September 10, 2012

@TheAustin, thank you for posting!! I am getting the Pearl White with Dark rims so those photo's were spot on for me and the spoiler protrudes out a bit more then I originally expected. I like the look of these more and am happy with my decision to keep them on.

Thanks again!!

Tomas | September 10, 2012

Stopped by the service center today to have them look at a raddle, and there where four model S there being prepped-- two with a spoiler, two without. Spoiler looks pretty damn good. I'm keeping it.

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