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Supercharger access for 60kWh pack included. Thanks TM!

Supercharger access for 60kWh pack included. Thanks TM!

Might be old news but it is always good to share the joy. I noticed on the option page that Supercharger hardware now shows included in the 60kWh pack. Very good news for all of us futur TMS 230 owners and for the others as well as more traffic to those Supercharger stations should be a motivator to add locations.

It doesn't say if Iwe will have to pay our electricity consumption at Supercharger stations or if we will have to pay for access. Moreover, it would be interesting to see how much time it takes to fill up the tank... is it straight math compared to 85kWh.

Thanks for this good news TM

mbcaffe | August 11, 2012

+1!

jaycweber | August 11, 2012

Not old news at all - I just placed my order 2 days ago and the Design Studio definitely still said Supercharger hardware was "Optional" and unpriced. I had a conversation with order assistance about when I would find out the cost, I guess I wasn't the only confused customer! Way to go TM making things simpler.

stuberman | August 11, 2012

+1. Yay, this is great news.

mdennick | August 11, 2012

+1 I'm probably still going 85kWh but I'm very pleased to see. Thank you TM.

prash.saka | August 13, 2012

+1. Awesome news!

I am getting the 230 mile battery pack and have decided to get the supercharger hardware. Now that the hardware is included, I will include the panoramic roof instead.

Thanks pbrulott for bringing to our attention.

And thanks a lot Tesla!!!

murraypetera | August 13, 2012

This is great. Now all they need to do is add it to the 40kwh pack so we do not need to explain to iMiev owners why we don't have it.

Vawlkus | August 13, 2012

Not gonna happen. The 40 pack just can't handle that much power IMHO.

jerry3 | August 13, 2012

Vawlkus,

That is what I think too. No doubt Tesla is more concerned about the 40 kWh battery owners complaining of short life and the bad publicity than they are about the complaints from not having supercharge access. There would also be complaints about not enough superchargers in the network because the 40 kWh pack would require them to be closer together.

DanD | August 13, 2012

Fantastic News!

bsimoes | August 13, 2012

It's wonderful...and I just read on another thread that Tesla will be including the removable center console at no extra cost. I looked at the specs page as well as other pages and couldn't find anything about it, but if true, I am impressed daily with how Tesla operates. Honesty and fairness do count with this company. It is honorable. A real class act just like their product.

suegie | August 13, 2012

bsimoes, maybe i spoke a bit out of turn, but there will be an accessory shelf for sundries, maybe not the entire console accessory:
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/get-amped-tour-news-road

bsimoes | August 13, 2012

Oh, well. It was fun while it lasted! Honestly, I fall in the "no console" camp. I figure that there is so much room in the car, that a console just doesn't matter to me. I am so excited to finally have a place to put my pocketbook other than on the passenger's seat--which works fine, until I have a passenger!

Sudre_ | August 13, 2012

There may be a possibility to add the super charger ability to the 40Kw battery by adding a piece of hardware that reduces the juice (power) going into the car. With the smaller battery you could probably still add about 80 to 100 miles in 30 to 40 minutes but you would need s fancy adapter that might be to large or heavy to just throw in the trunk. I don't think it is as easy to reduce power for a DC output as it is for A/C.

Maybe in the future rather than buy the second charger you could opt for the super charger adapter in place on the charger.

Just my thoughts.

Sudre_ | August 13, 2012

s = a

Brian H | August 13, 2012

@prash;
I don't think "adding" supercharger hardware was ever an option (i.e., an add-on). It's a direct DC bypass of the converters, and is either built-in, or not. So the 60kwh battery was either built to accept it, or not. The linkage is part of the standard TM plug.

So now, AFAIK, all 60 & 85kwh cars will have Supercharging. No "options" necessary or possible.

Brian H | August 13, 2012

P.S. It's also not relevant to home charging. I doubt anyone has 440V service to make it possible, anyhow.

ddruz | August 13, 2012

bsimoes, where did you "read on another thread that Tesla will be including the removable center console at no extra cost"? Thanks.

Brian H | August 13, 2012

@ddruz;
It was an error. Someone confused the new tray under the screen for the CCI in GB's comments.

ChristianG | August 14, 2012

Before you thank Tesla too much at the TMC Forum is following discussion:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/9670-Various-thoughts-on-M...

Mainly it says that the 85kw Battery has the hardware to supercharge and is enabled. The 65kw Battery has the hardware but you'll have to pay to enable it. And the 45kw Battery is too fragile to handle supercharging.

ddruz | August 14, 2012

@ChristianG, It is still not known for certain whether there will be any additional charges for the 60kwh cars to use the superchargers either via an enabling fee or a per use fee. Those discussions on TMC are speculation and rumor as are so many bits of information floating around these forums. Nothing has as yet been confirmed. It may or may not be true. We need to wait for Tesla to officially clarify the situation which they will undoubtedly do at an appropriate time. The good news that we can bank on at this point is that whatever hardware is needed for supercharging will come standard with the 60 kwh cars.

Timo | August 14, 2012

If you go to design studio it says "optional" in top, but at the bottom supercharger is checked and can't be unselected with no price tag. Also it says that it is "standard" in options and pricing -page.

That can obviously still change, but it looks like current situation is that it will be included as standard for 60kWh batteries.

Volker.Berlin | August 14, 2012

+1 ddruz

pbrulott | October 7, 2012

I guess I should withdraw my post following Tesla's disturbing change on hardware inclusion for 60kWh pack.

Brian H | October 8, 2012

The hardware is still there. Activation/tuning is separate.

pbrulott | October 8, 2012

BrianH, the hardware is there or the first couple of 60kWh cars as mentionned by GB. They didn't know if those reservation holder would go for the SC option or not. Since the HW is there they offered to pay only $1K for SW and access.

However, for new config, the $2K option will decide if the HW is included or not. And from what I understand, adding it later will not be possible.

Did I misread GB's answers?

mrspaghetti | October 8, 2012

@pbrulott

That's also how I interpreted things. Unless they've already built your car, you only get the SC HW if you buy the option going forward.

pbrulott | October 8, 2012

Thanks tesla.mrspaghet...

I think that is the very reason why people are unhappy

Brian H | October 8, 2012

pbrolott and t.m.;
You both misread GB again. Here's from his latest posting:

"exactly what we were doing…including the hardware necessary in both 60 and 85 kWh cars to allow Supercharging in the future. We then verbally communicated that access would be free for 85 kWh cars, and there would be an activation fee for 60 kWh cars."

For new orders, the h/w is there in all 60s and 85s; the TM production line is standardized to include it. But it's $2K to activate for the 60s.

mrspaghetti | October 8, 2012

@Brian H

It wouldn't be the first time I've ever been wrong, but what you're suggesting doesn't make any sense.

GB says the hardware costs $1k and the software/calibration another $1k. So if you buy the option for $2k, you get both. Why include a $1k option for those who don't pay for it?

I think you're mistaken.

mbcaffe | October 8, 2012

Is it possible that TM is only adding hardware portion to those that have finalized their order and going forward they will only add it if the $2K is option is selected?

Oaktowner | October 8, 2012

@mbcaffe

Yes, I believe that is exactly what they are planning on doing.

Brian H | October 8, 2012

The $1K price is/was a one-time "separation" of the two for those who got whipsawed in the "communications error". Henceforth activation is $2K for 60s. Period.

It is cheaper/more efficient, evidently, to install the basic h/w in ALL 60s and 85s than to flip back and forth on the line.

Brian H | October 8, 2012
mrspaghetti | October 8, 2012

I'm still reading it to mean: if you buy the option you get hardware, software and activation. If you don't buy it, you get none of those.

I think that's the only reading that marks sense Brian.

DouglasR | October 8, 2012

Brian, I don't read that post as you do. They decided to put the SC hardware in the 60kwh cars configured before the SC event because otherwise those purchasers would have had no way to order supercharging. That doesn't mean that TM would continue to put the hardware in cars where purchasers had an opportunity to order it but declined to do so.

Brian H | October 8, 2012

No, I'm convinced GB means what he says. The h/w is there, activation is now $2K. Whether you think that's "reasonable" is a separate question.

Brian H | October 8, 2012

Ask him. In so many words, with no added "context" or explanation, since that seems to end up confuzing so many.
1) Do all 60s include SC hardware?
2) Is 60s' activation of SC hardware $2K?
3) Can activation be done after delivery?

My prediction: yes, yes, no.

mbcaffe | October 8, 2012

@brian
first question should be "Will all 60s not finalized include SC hardware?"
my prediction is no.

DouglasR | October 8, 2012

@Brian "No, I'm convinced GB means what he says. The h/w is there, activation is now $2K. Whether you think that's "reasonable" is a separate question."

He says that's what they did for a short period. Where does he say they are still doing it?

Brian H | October 8, 2012

"We changed our website, Design Studio and configuration paperwork to reflect exactly what we were doing…including the hardware necessary in both 60 and 85 kWh cars to allow Supercharging in the future."

The wording is ambiguous about whether all future 60s will have the h/w, everywhere. It is possible that the h/w is added to 60s on an individual basis. However: it makes no difference, any more. There is only a yes/no choice: "Enable" SC, or not. And it must be done up front. There is no "$1,000 h/w + $1,000 s/w" separation stated, implied, or possible.

DouglasR | October 8, 2012

Yeah, I can see what you mean now, and I agree it is ambiguous.

Nevertheless, it would be interesting to know whether they are still building some special SC hardware into the 60kwh cars whether or not the purchasers are electing that option, and if so, why.

kristamoy | October 9, 2012

What about partnering with Starbucks for mini Supercharging stations?

Brian H | October 9, 2012

"SuperCharge yourself and your car!" Reminds me of my fave coffee saying:
There's no such thing as strong coffee -- just weak people!"