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Tesla S P85+ vs Porsche Panamera GTS

Tesla S P85+ vs Porsche Panamera GTS

I am soliciting input and opinion out there on which car gives a more satisfying ride.
Price wise, they are comparable. I am coming from just a pure performance perspective; nothing on the EV vs ICE technology, fuel cost savings and so forth; just pure unadulterated performance.

I test drove the P85 a few weeks ago and while i think its straight-line performance is nothing short of awesome, i feel that it is somewhat lacking when it comes to steering feel/handling around corners. Don't get me wrong; it is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination but when we are talking about cars with sticker price above $100k, we have to compare it against the creme de la creme so to speak. Perhaps it is the curb weight that is at play but who knows. Here is where I really hope the performance plus package (P85+) comes into the equation and save the day given that Elon claims "super car" territory handling. I called Tesla and unfortunately they don't have a test vehicle yet that is equipped with the performance plus package. So there is no way to confirm this one way or the other.

Incidentally, I am also very interested in the Panamera GTS. I know the looks isn't for everyone but to me it looks appealing. As it turns out, there is already a review out there by Edmunds comparing these cars.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/porsche-panamera-gts-vs-t...

The test numbers kind of confirm my suspicion. From the specs listed, this is not even a regular P85. It looks like a P85+ indeed, perhaps Elon's own personal souped-up version of the P85. Straight line kudos go to Tesla (albeit barely) but skidpad/slalom has the GTS well in the clear. If these are the numbers from the P85+, they are somewhat dissapointing given Elon's claim. I would conclude from just that review alone, the GTS "outperforms" the "P85+". I am putting quotes around the P85 because i suspect it is the P85+ based on the specs listed but who knows if it is going to be the actual final version of the production cars equipped with the performance plus package($10k option).

I have scheduled a test drive session for the Panamera GTS. Would really love to get behind the wheel of a GTS and see what it can really do. There are other rave reviews out there on the GTS that backs up the "unreal" handling comment from the Edmunds review. Hopefully, I can also test drive a production P85+ soon which should provide me with sufficient data to make an informed decision on which machine is ultimately for me.

Please chime in with your thoughts.

EMDoc | May 13, 2013

@carlk - Agreed. I planned to keep the 911 and M3 but they felt so old after my MS test drive. The other companies are years behind Tesla but have many more resources. I hope Tesla can stay ahead of the game.
And the fact that there are no stealerships just sweetens the deal. So, are you selling your Porsche or adding the MS? I do agree with Porsche engineering being amazing...now if they can implement the same tech as Tesla (but vw may muck things up).

lolachampcar | May 14, 2013

EMDoc,
"You plan to keep"
I still have my BMW S1000RR and I have to push myself to run it enough to keep the battery charged as it sits next to my MY13 Zero DS. My Maranello is feeling equally neglected thanks to MS.

Normally I would chalk this up to the new toy syndrome. However, we are going on a year for the bike and four months for MS. My new toy attention span is not that long thus I suspect this is a permanent change in behavior.

The point of all the above is I think you may find your other toys are neglected (unless of course you do things like track days at which point they will get their thrashing).

EMDoc | May 14, 2013

@lolachampcar -

I had planned to keep the M3. Put it on sale after finalizing my P85 and sold it early April. I'm glad I did. 18.4 mpg vs a solar powered home and car with little maintenance.
The Maranello is beautiful. I love the 430 and Italia. But I would never purchase an ICE though I always pictured having a Ferrari someday. The 911S was amazing but the MS is simply the best!

JZ13 | May 14, 2013

I was trailing a Panamera Turbo in which the guy had been driving a bit too aggressively. It was time to teach him a lesson. We came to a red light and I pulled up next to him in my P85. Green light......I hear heavy rev's from his car, my car silently wasted him. By a full car-length. I was actually surprised I beat him by so much because I know that car has a stated 0-60 of 4.0. We turned onto another main thoroughfare and he continued to try to keep up with me to no avail and finally just gave up. Loving Tesla!!!!!!

lolachampcar | May 15, 2013

The antics required of a performance ICE's control modules to get good 0-60 times is silly when compared to the MS where you simply press the big pedal on the right and you have instant acceleration. My daily averages are around 310WHr/mile and yet my foot hovers over the right pedal and, when the light turns green, I leave everything just sitting there. I'd like to think it is my super reaction times but I know better :)

carlk | May 15, 2013

Right. Those published ICE 0-60 time are done by professional drivers and the best picked out of many tries. It takes a lot of skills to launch a high power car. Any dummy, although no MS owner is, can probably get the 4.2 or so time in the first try. That's the beauty of the car for the average or above average drivers.

carlk | May 15, 2013

@EMDoc I plan to keep my Cayman S for now and see what happens. The two are very different cars. I may still want to drive the two seater from time to time but who knows.

rdalcanto | May 15, 2013

The best part about the Model S is that altitude and temperature should not have much effect. It was very hot out coming home from work Tuesday, and I floored my 911S. Between the heat and 5,000ft above sea level, the acceleration wasn't great. When I went up to Park City last summer it was even worse. The Model S should be even faster at high altitude because there will be less wind resistance but the same power from the motor.... Can't wait!

stsanford | May 15, 2013

I'm looking to trade my Cayenne (Manual Transmission) I've always driven a manual... As a twist, how do the manual drivers feel driving electric. It's like ALL your work is taken away

I have a 911 I'll be keeping, for times when I need to do more than 200 miles, or just want to be old-fashioned and change my own gears. Who knows, maybe after a few months, I'll sell the 911. We don't have a whole lot of published charging stations on Long Island, if that changes.... hmmm...

wthieldelgado | May 15, 2013

I've only owned manual cars. The regen braking on the Model S is very engaging to me and has almost become telepathic. Don't miss shifting. I think if the regen was implemented on the brake pedal the car would be not nearly as fun.

THEKING | May 29, 2013

JZ32:
I'm 99.9% sure you didn't beat a PANAMERA TURBO off the line. Perhaps it was a v-6 version or 4S.
Trust me if the Panamera turbo guy was trying he'd crush ya. I've had it happen twice. Those turbos will run mid 3's 0-60.

lph | May 29, 2013

THEKING. Only if the launch control is on. The panamera turbo S runs a dead heat with the MS otherwise all the way upto 75mph. And am almost certain that the MS will beat the Turbo S from 5-60 mph.

carlk | May 29, 2013

Yes one needs to take those 0-60 numbers published for ICE cars with quite a few grains of salt. They are the best numbers with many tries by professional drivers. Normal drivers will not get close to the number even if they are willing to burn the clutch, with or without the launch control.

Brian H | May 29, 2013

Here's a fair test: both cars must start "OFF", at 0 rpm.

christurbeville | May 29, 2013

@Brian H the new M5 does turn itself off at lights now:) But I'm sure it does hurt 0-60 times unlike the MS. Oh and it can't do that with the AC on full blast like the MS.

THEKING | May 29, 2013

My neighbor has the Panamera turbo
He pulls out of the hole way quicker and runs
11.45 stock. We live 2 miles from our local track and we've lined up numerous times.
Just posting facts and real world driving
I love my Tesla but I know what it'll do and what it won't
Thx

THEKING | May 29, 2013

Also just to add. The results were the same when we switched cars.
So you can take the driver out of the equation. Porsche numbers are very under
rated ive found out on the panamera turbo models. I have very little problems beating 95%of cars
out there but the fact is the panamera is faster in every aspect.

JZ13 | May 29, 2013

@Theking

The numbers you are referencing are for the Panamera Turbo S. I was up against a regular Panamera Turbo (no s). There are 2 versions of the Panamera Turbo.

THEKING | May 29, 2013

I'm referencing the TURBO not the TURBO S
The turbo runs 3.5 with launch and 11.5 1/4 mile
turbo s isn't much quicker than the turbo with only 40 extra hp

SamO | May 29, 2013

@theking

You have a P85+ with new suspension and optimization or you have a P85?

carlk | May 29, 2013

@Theking I'm a current Porsche owner and this is the third Porsche I had. I know what I'm talking about too. It takes a lot of skills to get ~4s time no matter what (ICE) cars you're driving.

THEKING | May 29, 2013

no it doesn't in an AWD car with launch control
"you mash the gas and go" it's not hard
please stop with the absurd stuff fellas!!

SamO | May 29, 2013

@theking

So you don't own a P85+?

THEKING | May 29, 2013

CARIK:

Yes
took delivery on my 2013 p85 +
approx 3 months ago.
i love the car for what it is!
AMAZING but i'm also a realist
thx

SamO | May 29, 2013

@theking,

They weren't delivering the P85+ version three months ago. How did you get an early delivery?

THEKING | May 29, 2013

Sorry
P85 purchased 3 months ago
their is no extra gains with the plus version (minimal)
performance wise.

THEKING | May 29, 2013

sorry grammar error was typing from iPhone
and auto post reply
"there"

christurbeville | May 29, 2013

@THEKING you are not being consistent or clear. You currently own a P85 correct? The plus wasn't available 3 months ago. Also since you haven't driven the plus the dismissal of the plus performance gains is based on what?

THEKING | May 29, 2013

i have P85
purchased 3 months ago.
i've been passenger in the PLUS version at local track during testing with a TECH
performance in a "straight" line wasn't any different than mine or minimal at best IMO

thx

SamO | May 29, 2013

@TheKing

Read the following thread and you'll see there is a difference:

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/tesla-model-s-p85-review-new-owner

THEKING | May 29, 2013

...... and i'll make it clear again.
Performance in a staight line is short of that in PANAMERA TURBO or TURBO S
If you doubt go find any Panamera turbo owner and ask him to show you (they love showing off what the car can do)
I would advise not to "street race" (dangerous to all drivers)
but i'm sure you could find a nice stretch of side road for a test.

rdalcanto | May 29, 2013

Were the P85 will probably beat the Panamera turbo is in a normal traffic scenario where you are going 25mph, the Panamera is trying to save gas and is in 3 or 4th gear, and you suddenly decide to punch it. Even though the PDK transmission is fast, the MS will have a jump on it with a lot less drama. I say this using my 2012 911S as a reference.

lph | May 29, 2013

Agree that overall the Panermera turbo is the faster car. However have you gone along side the turbo S and done a 5 - 60?. The MS will likely do that in about 3.6 - 3.7 sec because it will have NO lag whereas the ICE will. An ICE will loose .5sec over its 0-60 time so that will make the porsche do a 5-60 in about 3.5+.5= 4 sec.
Try it.

Tiebreaker | May 29, 2013

@THEKING:
Do Panamera drivers routinely engage the Launch Control at traffic lights?

BYT | May 29, 2013

@EMDoc, "stealerships" I like it!

THEKING | May 29, 2013

TIEBREAKER:
I would say 50/50 depends on situation (i'm guessing)
however as i stated even with LAUNCH control mode off
PANAMERA TURBO wins by a car and a half to sixty.
With launch control on all you see is tail lights (lol)

THEKING | May 29, 2013

With the FACT being the panamera is faster.
Would i trade my P85 for a Panamera Turbo? not for the 45k price difference.
If they were priced identical. I would choose the PANAMERA TURBO, by only a "slight" margin.

BYT | May 29, 2013

@THEKING, So based on this site the "PANAMERA TURBO" can pull 0-60 in 4 seconds right? Just to make sure I have it all clear. The P85 can pull the 0-60 in 3.9 seconds in some tests (although not consistent, I'll admit) and the P85+ can shave another 0.5 seconds off of that time I'de say the Model S P85 takes the prize hands down and can beat the Panemaera in a straight line run and the P85+ would take it every time.

Take into consideration also the cost of over $50k less then the Panamera not counting the savings savings in fuel and maintenance over time. I'de say the Model S takes the prize hands down. Based on my understanding of the road tests and facts. I myself have embarrassed some exotics on the road in my P85.

http://autos.nydailynews.com/q/3782/10351/What-is-the-0-60-time-of-the-2...

THEKING | May 29, 2013

umm
that article is WRONG
please see 4 yourself
many "rags" have the turbo at 3.4-3.6 with launch

THEKING | May 29, 2013

next time you're feeling "FROGGY"
ask the panamera turbo guy to "step on it"
LESSON LEARNED

THEKING | May 29, 2013

"google"
it most rags have the panamera turbo at 3.4-3.7 for the turbo (launch control)
most have the s85 at 4.0-4.3

1/4 mile 11.4-11.7 turbo
1/4 mile S85 12.0-12.3

BYT | May 29, 2013

Then shave 0.5 for the P85+, that's 3.5-3.8 with no Launch Control necessary

THEKING | May 29, 2013

OMG
Yawn
let it go man
you have a nice car (just like me)... just not the fastest!
who cares, but you're arguing nonsense

BYT | May 29, 2013

I didn't mean to knit pick THEKING but you ignored my other arguments so I figured I would role with the one you choose to pursue. It's childish but I'm a big kid. Yes, we both have an awesome car and are happy with it. I'm actually a little bitter that I didn't have the option for P85+ when it when I was finalizing my Model S... :)

BYT | May 29, 2013

role, roll, sorry, saving Brian H the headache! :)

Tiebreaker | May 29, 2013

@THEKING, I must admit you are entertaining. I like your posts.

The Panamera Turbo S is one hot car. However, not much hotter than Model S when TC is on. I guess more than 50% of the time.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/2013-porsche-panamera-gts...
Vehicle: 2012 Porsche Panamera Turbo S
Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 1.4 (1.9 w/TC on)
0-45 (sec): 2.3 (3.0 w/TC on)
0-60 (sec): 3.7 (4.4 w/TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 3.5 (4.0 w/TC on)
0-75 (sec): 5.2 (5.9 w/TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 11.9 @ 117.2 (12.2 @ 117.5 w/TC on)

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/porsche-panamera-gts-vs-t...
Vehicle: 2012 Tesla Model S
Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 2.0 (2.0 w/ TC on)
0-45 (sec): 3.0 (3.0 w/ TC on)
0-60 (sec): 4.3 (4.3 w/ TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 4.0 (4.0 w/ TC on)
0-75 (sec): 6.1 (6.1 w/ TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 12.6 @ 108.3 (12.6 @ 108.2 w/ TC on)

carlk | May 29, 2013

@THEKING I just wonder what other cars you have owned before your MS (assume you do own one). Like I said getting ~4s time needs a lot of skill no matter what ICE car it is, with or without launch control. Not to mention I would never let anyone else to drive my car that way unless he pays me in advance of a new set of clutch. It sounds to me you have only driven such cars on paper.

ian t.wa.us | May 29, 2013

I don't buy that the P85+ is a whole .5 sec quicker to 60 than the P85. Maybe .1 - .3 but not .5.

Not that it matters all that much as anything under 5 seconds is "Holy $#%& this is quick!" territory to about 99% of the population.

THEKING | May 29, 2013

carik:
you don't have a clue!
however tell me another forum you frequent and i'll send a pm to you
i was playing nice as a fellow owner and you.... well a TOOL??

THEKING | May 29, 2013

TIEBREAKER:
THX for the compliments but i was trying to be FACTUAL more than entertaining!

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