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Tesla S P85+ vs Porsche Panamera GTS

Tesla S P85+ vs Porsche Panamera GTS

I am soliciting input and opinion out there on which car gives a more satisfying ride.
Price wise, they are comparable. I am coming from just a pure performance perspective; nothing on the EV vs ICE technology, fuel cost savings and so forth; just pure unadulterated performance.

I test drove the P85 a few weeks ago and while i think its straight-line performance is nothing short of awesome, i feel that it is somewhat lacking when it comes to steering feel/handling around corners. Don't get me wrong; it is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination but when we are talking about cars with sticker price above $100k, we have to compare it against the creme de la creme so to speak. Perhaps it is the curb weight that is at play but who knows. Here is where I really hope the performance plus package (P85+) comes into the equation and save the day given that Elon claims "super car" territory handling. I called Tesla and unfortunately they don't have a test vehicle yet that is equipped with the performance plus package. So there is no way to confirm this one way or the other.

Incidentally, I am also very interested in the Panamera GTS. I know the looks isn't for everyone but to me it looks appealing. As it turns out, there is already a review out there by Edmunds comparing these cars.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/porsche-panamera-gts-vs-t...

The test numbers kind of confirm my suspicion. From the specs listed, this is not even a regular P85. It looks like a P85+ indeed, perhaps Elon's own personal souped-up version of the P85. Straight line kudos go to Tesla (albeit barely) but skidpad/slalom has the GTS well in the clear. If these are the numbers from the P85+, they are somewhat dissapointing given Elon's claim. I would conclude from just that review alone, the GTS "outperforms" the "P85+". I am putting quotes around the P85 because i suspect it is the P85+ based on the specs listed but who knows if it is going to be the actual final version of the production cars equipped with the performance plus package($10k option).

I have scheduled a test drive session for the Panamera GTS. Would really love to get behind the wheel of a GTS and see what it can really do. There are other rave reviews out there on the GTS that backs up the "unreal" handling comment from the Edmunds review. Hopefully, I can also test drive a production P85+ soon which should provide me with sufficient data to make an informed decision on which machine is ultimately for me.

Please chime in with your thoughts.

nickjhowe | May 29, 2013

Flame wars. Gotta love em. That's what forums are for!

Tee | May 29, 2013

An all black Panamera Turbo pulled up behind me on the freeway and as I was trying to figure what kind of car it was by its headlights, my exit was coming up fast. I was in the fast lane and darted my brand new green P85+ on grey wheels across four lanes through medium traffic like Frogger. The driver of the Panamera caught up to me and gave me an approving head bob as I was exiting on the offramp.

On a side note, I watched Fast and Furious 6 this past weekend. All the cars, even the rare and expensive ones showcased in the movie, were very unimpressive now that I spent a week and a half with the MS. My kids asked me what my dream car was and I said I already own it. A family car for us and a sports car for me. Damn I love the MS.

RanjitC | May 29, 2013

@theking Six months from now switch cars with your friend for a day and then tell us what you think. I did it yesterday with my 997 c2s yesterday because the ms had a flat.It's an eye opener.

Electricfun | May 29, 2013

I can say without hesitation, I've never been in a 4 door car as fast as a Panny turbo. It was scary fast!

RanjitC | May 29, 2013

And yes the Panamera Turbo is faster than the MS.

SamO | May 29, 2013

@RanjitC

You have a Model S 85 Performance + ?

RanjitC | May 29, 2013

No but there is no change to the drivetrain in the + only the suspension.Reality bites. Go to the Porsche website and see the posted times. They are very conservative with their claims and the times are still better than the MS. Believe me I will still choose to drive the MS P85 over my 911S. I think you misread my previous post.

SamO | May 29, 2013

Actually RanjitC

Performance Plus Package
Performance Plus takes one of the world's best sedans into supercar handling territory, while also improving ride quality and range. After hundreds of iterations affecting every detail of the suspension, our vehicle dynamics team was able to achieve the rare outcome of simultaneously improving performance, comfort and efficiency. In addition to upgraded dampers, bushings, stabilizer bars and tires (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2), the rear tires are 20 mm WIDER and STAGGERED for improved acceleration on low grip surfaces. Range improves 6 to 12 miles over regular 21” wheels. Requires 21" wheels, available in Grey or Silver.

RanjitC | May 29, 2013

Thanks for agreeing with me samosam

SamO | May 29, 2013

Actually since you missed the part where it has different (wider) tires with "improved acceleration" then I guess you agree with me since you wrote "only suspension".

rdalcanto | May 29, 2013

@SamoSam

You left out the "on low grip surfaces." Hate to tell you, but an AWD Panamera will really smoke a MS on a low grip surface....

SamO | May 29, 2013

@rdalcanto

I haven't argued that the MSP85+ is badder, faster or better than a Panamera. But people on this thread are talking out of their A$$ about this car.

They have their normal 85 or P85 and most haven't driven the +. I've read that the 0-60 is faster, had better handling etc and people are talking like they know something or have some facts.

Which clearly they don't. Nor do you.

Electricfun | May 30, 2013

If you want a faster and better performer than a Panamera turbo or Turbo S buy a new Nissan GTR.

There isn't a current MS car that will get this done.

RedShift | May 30, 2013

Nissan GTR, while a better performer, is a coupe.

Also, like all 'performance' Nissans, it's suspension will knock the tooth fillings out over rough pavement.

BTW mag racing is fun, isn't it. Personally, I don't care what Panamera Turbo might do on some surface, or for that matter any other car. There are and will always be faster cars. Few manage to be as fast, efficient, clean and handle so well while maintaining a comfortable ride.

BlackDynamiteOnline | May 30, 2013

The Panamera 4S is the most comparable to the P85+ when it comes to price ($98k before options), power (420 HP, but it is considerably lighter), and content.

The GTS is another $15k more than the Tesla, so it should be slightly better, dynamically.

The Panamera has grown on me. Definitely has a "road presence". Looks very expensive.
But the Tesla is a better looking vehicle.

I just wish the Tesla were more upscale inside. Outside of the two screens, the Tesla is several notches down in interior decor to any current Porsche, not just the Panamera.

They should offer a luxury package for $8-10k that would make it have a $100k interior. Then were talking electric perfection!m /
BD

Brian H | May 30, 2013

Yes, the MS was not designed to be the fastest, just "the best, in every dimension that matters." Mission accomplished.

dortor | May 30, 2013

the Panamera turbo is the pinnacle of ICE engineering and a brutal application of brute force engineering to overcome obstacles that shouldn't be there in the first place. It is perhaps the the finest example of a 4 passenger sedan on the road today. Having driving one on track and on the road it is a fantastic automobile for the richest percentage of the population that can barely afford one.

but the Tesla Model S is not comparable to the Panamera Turbo because they are two different cars:

a) 5 seater vs. 4 seater
b) cargo room is vastly different
c) price points are very divergent
d) efficiency is vastly different
c) volume of production is vastly different

the Panamera Turbo is a Super Lux sedan, the Model S is a Lux sedan with some characteristics of a Super Lux.

You can probably buy two Model S for the price of the average Panamera Turbo given that hte starting price of the Porsche is $161k - and Porsche doesn't know how to price options below $2500.00 per item (I can say this because I've owned 3 911's and loved each of them).

The issue IMHO isn't is the Model S faster/slower than the Panamera S or better/worse in any particular spec - to me it's simply remarkable that a 100K all electric car - 1.0 version - is solo close in so many ways to a 161k super sedan - and better than most any lesser sedan. That fact that we can even have this discuss and debate the finer points of comparison means the Tesla has already won - because it wasn't even supposed to be a blip on the radar and now it's the only thing worth discussing…and remember it will continue to get better - not worse.

The panamera turbo was never an option for me - too much money - the lesser panamera's also weren't an option for me - since they only seat 4 - I need/require a 5 passenger vehicle.

Electricfun | May 30, 2013

@brian H

What does that even mean? it's good in almost every aspect but certainly not the best at any of them other than gas mileage.

@dortor

You've had the best analogy of all the posts I've read in these posts

Tiebreaker | May 30, 2013

@dortor +1

Brian H | May 30, 2013

It's a quote from Elon, and refers to safety, durability, performance (for intended use), efficiency, etc. Ask Consumer Reports, too.

wrenhour | May 31, 2013

I've read the first page worth of comments and can't believe that the look of the car hasn't come up. The Panamera has been around for a few years now and granted, it has a great interior but the car is ugly. You look at the profile of that Panamera compared to the S and there is no comparison in the aesthetic value and attention to design detail.

wrenhour | May 31, 2013

Just read the users comment from 5/10 where they finally pulled the trigger. Good for you.

rchiang | May 31, 2013

I just raced one on the hwy just now. All I can say on the highway its really hard to tell but I do know my instant pick up my p85 is quicker by the time he notice the pick up he is trying to keep up. I did it twice first time was too fast for him. He didn't know what hit him. Second time instant pick up, he took 2 sec to keep up with me. By then I had to slow down to exit the hwy. I hope he didn't think he beat me because I stop accelerating. LOL Good innocent racing. :)

THEKING | June 1, 2013

great stories and imagination.
i wanted to see if i could catch up to the PRIUS that was in front of me but in the end he didn't wann play... darn

THEKING | June 1, 2013

rchiang: you just raced a gts or turbo?

THEKING | June 1, 2013

dortor | MAY 30, 2013
the Panamera turbo is the pinnacle of ICE engineering and a brutal application of brute force engineering to overcome obstacles that shouldn't be there in the first place. It is perhaps the the finest example of a 4 passenger sedan on the road today. Having driving one on track and on the road it is a fantastic automobile for the richest percentage of the population that can barely afford one.

but the Tesla Model S is not comparable to the Panamera Turbo because they are two different cars:

a) 5 seater vs. 4 seater
b) cargo room is vastly different
c) price points are very divergent
d) efficiency is vastly different
c) volume of production is vastly different

the Panamera Turbo is a Super Lux sedan, the Model S is a Lux sedan with some characteristics of a Super Lux.

You can probably buy two Model S for the price of the average Panamera Turbo given that hte starting price of the Porsche is $161k - and Porsche doesn't know how to price options below $2500.00 per item (I can say this because I've owned 3 911's and loved each of them).

The issue IMHO isn't is the Model S faster/slower than the Panamera S or better/worse in any particular spec - to me it's simply remarkable that a 100K all electric car - 1.0 version - is solo close in so many ways to a 161k super sedan - and better than most any lesser sedan. That fact that we can even have this discuss and debate the finer points of comparison means the Tesla has already won - because it wasn't even supposed to be a blip on the radar and now it's the only thing worth discussing…and remember it will continue to get better - not worse.

The panamera turbo was never an option for me - too much money - the lesser panamera's also weren't an option for me - since they only seat 4 - I need/require a 5 passenger vehicle.

DORTOR: great dose of reality and well stated

rchiang | June 1, 2013

I couldn't tell if it was turbo or not. But I know he was pretty fast too. I can tell he had rear spoiler simular to the tesla's.

Alex K | June 1, 2013

@rchiang | JUNE 1, 2013: I can tell he had rear spoiler simular to the tesla's.

All regular Panameras have an active 2-way spoiler that deploys above a certain speed. The Turbo has an active
4-way spoiler

rchiang | June 1, 2013

I guess it was always up then. LOL It was at night time.

carlk | June 1, 2013

@rchiang It's not fair. You know the Panamera turbo can not just punch the pedal and go as you do with your MS. It still has the old fashioned cluth and transmission lol.

http://www.driving.ca/research-car/roadtest/First+drive+2012+Porsche+Pan...

purveshkhona | September 24, 2013

Was in market for good car... had friend with P85 model S, took for a spin, nice car - no doubt, handles ok, good initial thrust.

Then took panamera turbo for test drive ... I know it is apples to oranges comparison but after driving Panamera, it was clear, that tesla is still a souped up golf cart compared to truly engineering marvel of Porsche. I know I will get lots of flames, but truth of matter is that tesla nowhere comes close to Panamera, even discussing the two cars in same breadth is like - insult to Panamera.

Ended up with Panamera Turbo, will wait for true car makers (read BMW, Porsche) to make electric cars before switching over to electrics. Till then gasoline it is ...

gooshjkc | September 24, 2013

I have a Panamera Turbo 2014 ($160+) and getting my MS P85+ in March, but test drove it three times already. They are both incredible cars. If you have the means, get both. If not, I would lean towards the MS. I am planning to drive my MS around town and during the week. I will leave my Panamera and my other ICE cars for the weekend or long _ss trips. Either way, you can't go wrong.

Brian H | September 24, 2013

Um, it's a $150K+ sports car. Enjoy.

Until the Model R comes out in a few years, anyway.

carlk | September 24, 2013

Someone who works for Tesla took me for a spin in his company issued Roadster last Saturday. I want that model R.

JOHN HOLLINGSWORTH | September 24, 2013

@purvesh that's funny you had to spend 50k more to get a Panamera fast enough to beat a model s to 60 and probably the 1/4 mile. If you chose one of equal cost you would be busy studying the model S tail lights.

JOHN HOLLINGSWORTH | September 24, 2013

@purvesh I almost forgot your engineering marvel is not only slower for the same money, it weighs almost as much, has less passenger and luggage space, is not as safe, and uses 5 times the energy.

cfOH | September 24, 2013

You know what's better than a Porsche Panamera Turbo? A Bugatti Veyron. Sure it costs more, and has less room for people and luggage, and uses way more energy, but it's faster! So poor Purvesh will have to suffer all those Veyron owners visiting his Panamera forum and telling the Porsche owners how much their car sucks.

Or maybe Veyron owners are more mature than that.

maxinedixit | September 28, 2013

I have a Panamera and Boxster. I also bought Model S. I would not give up any of them. They have their own speciality. Porsche and Tesla, both are good cars.

jt | November 25, 2013

I spend a great deal of time debating the P85 versus the P85+ and the noise/wear of 21" wheels. For those of you out there debating, I took delivery of the P85+ four days ago. If you enjoy driving any performance car (mine was a 2005 645 BMW), then go all in and get the P85+. This car is amazing and you will never drive anything else like it. Simple as that.

nuchil | May 20, 2015

So I live in Chicago, and sometimes (actually most times) take my car to cruise on Lower Wacker Drive. This is a street underground - where most of the Batman movies car chase scenes are screened. I was a signal at the entrance of the drive in my Model S, and a Panamera sidles up to me on the right. The driver rolls down his window, so I roll down my passenger side window....

And he says "I wouldn't even dare!".......

BSCOTTSHAW | May 20, 2015

I'd like to explain why I will not buy a Tesla even though I was ready to trade my 2014 Porsche for one.
My girlfriend has a new Tesla in the Bellevue, WA area and a few weeks ago we went to the Tesla service center there. We were greeted by a lady named Maria. My girlfriend told her she had a defective key fob and Maria said that it looked abused. I then asked her to replace the key fob. After several rounds of back and forth Maria said I will make an exception this time and make a good will exchange. This made my girlfriend feel as if she was a beggar.

Our next encounter came on M1y 19, 2015 when we drove to the same service center because the air conditioner was not cooling the car. After a lecture from Maria about the proper usage of the AC she proclaimed it was working fine. I then asked to try the AC in another Tesla and we did. The AC blew very strong. She claimed that was because the car was trying cool down after starting. It was very obvious to me that she did not know what she was talking about. Instead of addressing the problem with my girlfriend's car not cooling down she went on and on about how she was right. I asked to see the Service Manager and she immediately said he was busy without even checking. I approached the other service advisor Maddy and she went on with excuses about how the AC was fine. But, neither of these two ladies could explain why the car would not cool. Now' my girlfriend has a four day trip planned in the car and she has to drive it without an AC system that is cooling. In addition, She has to be put out to make another trip to the Tesla service.

After driving my girlfriend's car I fell in love with the Tesla and was getting ready to trade my Porsche for one but after being dealt with such horrible customer service I would never consider the Tesla until the Company cleans up the poor customer service experience I saw. Since when is it a customer service representative's job to argue with a customer just so she "can be right!", In my opinion, there is a very big lack of pre-hiring screening and job training from a Company that preaches about a great customer experience. And, the customer service skills portrayed by these two reminded me of the auto business from 30 years ago before a positive customer service index became so important.

The image portrayed at this service center was so poor that I want to express my bad feelings to other members of the Porsche Club of America Northwest chapter and anyone else I come into contact with when Tesla is mentioned.

I realize I am not the owner of the car in mention but I am a Sale Lost and who knows how many others my influence will have. The experience was a total loss for your Company and I am taking the time to write this narrative in the hopes that Tesla truly wants to facilitate a high customer service experience at this service center.
Thank you,

BSCOTTSHAW | May 20, 2015

I'd like to explain why I will not buy a Tesla even though I was ready to trade my 2014 Porsche for one.
My girlfriend has a new Tesla in the Bellevue, WA area and a few weeks ago we went to the Tesla service center there. We were greeted by a lady named Maria. My girlfriend told her she had a defective key fob and Maria said that it looked abused. I then asked her to replace the key fob. After several rounds of back and forth Maria said I will make an exception this time and make a good will exchange. This made my girlfriend feel as if she was a beggar.

Our next encounter came on M1y 19, 2015 when we drove to the same service center because the air conditioner was not cooling the car. After a lecture from Maria about the proper usage of the AC she proclaimed it was working fine. I then asked to try the AC in another Tesla and we did. The AC blew very strong. She claimed that was because the car was trying cool down after starting. It was very obvious to me that she did not know what she was talking about. Instead of addressing the problem with my girlfriend's car not cooling down she went on and on about how she was right. I asked to see the Service Manager and she immediately said he was busy without even checking. I approached the other service advisor Maddy and she went on with excuses about how the AC was fine. But, neither of these two ladies could explain why the car would not cool. Now' my girlfriend has a four day trip planned in the car and she has to drive it without an AC system that is cooling. In addition, She has to be put out to make another trip to the Tesla service.

After driving my girlfriend's car I fell in love with the Tesla and was getting ready to trade my Porsche for one but after being dealt with such horrible customer service I would never consider the Tesla until the Company cleans up the poor customer service experience I saw. Since when is it a customer service representative's job to argue with a customer just so she "can be right!", In my opinion, there is a very big lack of pre-hiring screening and job training from a Company that preaches about a great customer experience. And, the customer service skills portrayed by these two reminded me of the auto business from 30 years ago before a positive customer service index became so important.

The image portrayed at this service center was so poor that I want to express my bad feelings to other members of the Porsche Club of America Northwest chapter and anyone else I come into contact with when Tesla is mentioned.

I realize I am not the owner of the car in mention but I am a Sale Lost and who knows how many others my influence will have. The experience was a total loss for your Company and I am taking the time to write this narrative in the hopes that Tesla truly wants to facilitate a high customer service experience at this service center.
Thank you,

LizzieG | May 20, 2015

So your issue has to do more with two unresponsive Service Advisers at Tesla rather than the car. Why don't you escalate this issue up the Tesla chain or command so you and other customers will receive better support?

Porsche on the other hand is known for stellar customer support when things go wrong. Just check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXUnZrykDY

You may want to stay with Porsche but if a Tesla pulls up next to you at a red light, don't try to pass it to save you the embarrassment :)

Brian H | May 21, 2015

Excessive redundancy is a symptom of trying to convince oneself.

Tropopause | May 21, 2015

I've had amazing service from Tesla. I think the statistics speak for themselves- 98% customer satisfaction according to Consumer Reports.

Anyone know what CR rated Porsche?

Red Sage ca us | May 23, 2015

Porsche Cayenne got an 87% Customer Satisfaction rating from Consumer Reports' most recent survey.

carlk | May 23, 2015

I've only used Tesla service once and it's amazing. I've been using Porsche services too. No complain other than big checks I wrote and subcompact rentals I got everytime I had to leave my car there.

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