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With the model 3 coming out this year and Tesla stock at all-time highs, would it be wise to invest at this price level? I'm aware of risks, long-term outlook, Yada yada yada...

Any thoughts on valuation and if it matters? Thanks.

Captain_Zap | April 22, 2017

You can find discussions on all angles here: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/forums/tsla-investor-discussions.119/

Carl Thompson | April 22, 2017

This is a touchy subject for people. I like Tesla and want them to succeed but I wouldn't invest in them at their current prices simply because any successes they could possibly have for the next 15-20 years have already been incorporated into the stock price due to speculation / short squeezes / unbridled enthusiasm / whatever. The current price therefore doesn't reflect the risk that everything might _not_ work out perfectly over the next couple of decades. So it seems too risky to me and not a good value. But I'm conservative. Obviously there are plenty of folks who disagree and expect the stock price to keep going up.

Carl

carlk | April 22, 2017

"The current price therefore doesn't reflect the risk that everything might _not_ work out perfectly over the next couple of decades."

No current stock price does reflect the risk that Tesla might not be successful in things it plans to do including Model 3 launch. On the other hand it is at this level because it also reflects the possibility that Tesla could be successful in Model 3 launch and other things it plans to do. Some people think the company could reach the Apple/Google level of market cap if it is successful. Everything everyone knows is always reflected in the price of every stock. Your decision should be based on if you are more or less optimistic of the company than average of all investors.

sosmerc | April 22, 2017

If you believe that Tesla has an "advantage" in mass adaptation of electric vehicles AND the mass adaptation of Solar energy for both residential as well as large commercial projects, then perhaps its high current stock price is justified.
But you should also consider that Tesla may not be the only player and at some point they will encounter "real" competition. I was lucky enough to buy in early in the game, but I would be very careful about further investment at this stage in the game.

Red Sage ca us | April 22, 2017

My justification is the ability to say, "Nah, nah, nah-nah, nahhhh!" to Jim Cramer or Cory Johnson anytime I want.

Also... For some reason, BRK-A is valued at $245,550 after falling by $1,650.05 today. Considering numbers of that sort can exist...? How much of a 'risk' is it really, to hope that TSLA will some day have a valuation that is 1/100th of BRK-A? Especially when there are ANALysts that thought it was overvalued at 1/10,000th of BRK-A.

allweathermaint | April 22, 2017

Tesla mission is so different than any other companies. I have some, not all, money in it. Bought last year or two. My thinking is there are two futures unfolding at the same time. Star Trek, and Mad Max. Investing in the future I want, even if Tesla goes belly up, has been the right thing to do. If Mad Max comes to pass, any retirement will be worthless. If Star Trek comes to pass, I will have done a little to help push that future into existence.

Ross1 | April 22, 2017

only invest what you can afford to lose

Red Sage ca us | April 22, 2017

allweathermaint: The funny thing about that MAD MAX future is the notion that people will be using fire breathing smoke blowing 3 MPG supercharged V8 powered gas guzzlers for transportation in a world with 20 hours per day of direct sunshine. :-D

jefjes | April 23, 2017

I agree with Ross and use the same logic on any gamble I make. If I'm not comfortable losing then I shouldn't be betting on anything. Some people go broke after losing $20 because they will lose $1ks trying to win it back. Chasing losses is the fastest way to the poor house. It you want to roll the dice on TSLA with some expendable cash, feel free. I own some myself..:-)

SamO | April 23, 2017

You have to put your money into something. Sometimes it is a bank, with questionable ethics. Sometimes an index fund, so you can spread risk across a sector, geography or risk tolerance. Sometimes a "tip" or advice from family about what THEY know.

And sometimes . . . you get to vote with your money for a better world. That can be buying shares. It's also buying early products and having confidence that a company will make things right.

TSLA is:
Electric Vehicles including Models S, X, 3, Y, Semi, Van, Truck and Roadster 2.0
Solar Roofs
Battery backups
Supercharging Network
Destination Charging Network
Tesla Network
Full Self Driving
Gigafactories 1-5
Vehicle to Grid/Vehicle to Infrastructure

++++
And then there are the other endeavors, that are private to Elon Musk, where success of TSLA will help:

Rockets/Reusability
Satellites/SpaceX internet service
Hyperloop
Boring
Mars

KP in NPT | April 23, 2017

I'd buy more if I had my way. But we already have a pretty large chunk of our portfolio in it. It was larger until hubby sold half at $280.

Red Sage ca us | April 23, 2017

TSLA has gone up by 21.3565245% in the past year alone. In order to privatize the stock via hostile takeover, someone would probably have to offer between $450 and $500 per share. And, let's face it, simply making the offer would probably push TSLA to $750 or more, due to the dedication of true believers.

Naturally, past performance is not an indicator of future blah, blah, blah and stuff.

jefjes | April 23, 2017

Another advantage to owning TSLA stock is input into the company in the form of voting on board members. One such vote is rapidly approaching.

Ross1 | April 24, 2017

Red Sage; Hey you have changed your writing style.
It is much easier to read.

Like you say blah blah and summarise your normal 23 sentences in 2 words. Congratulations!

:))) I really love you.

Red Sage ca us | April 24, 2017

Ross: I'm sure you realize I believe you can blah, blah, blah and stuff. Sincerely... OK, I love you, bye, bye! ;-)

topher | April 24, 2017

"only invest what you can afford to lose"

I can't afford to lose my planet, so....

Thank you kindly.

dave.m.mcdonough | April 24, 2017

I bought at 190 just before the model 3 announcement. It's 60% higher now.. but it's been back down to ~200 several times in the last few months.

It will probably dip again, investors are a squirrelly bunch.. They still think the price of oil has anything to do with it, and jump on anything that casts doubt about the 3 getting delivered. It makes me happy when they all try to short and get burned instead. But I digress.. Definitely keep an eye on it for a price dip and try to have some in hand before July.

Red Sage ca us | April 24, 2017

topher: +42! Perfect. Thank you.

Badbot | April 24, 2017

investors are a squirrelly bunch..
That is so unfair to squirrels'

Coastal Cruiser. | April 24, 2017

Buying a Tesla, and investing in Tesla stock, are two very very very different things.

Please do not misunderstand, but the fact that you would ask such a question in here is indicative that maybe you should think twice about buying Tesla stock. That is assuming you are hoping for gains. No one here has any idea of what the price of Tesla stock is going to do. There are a LOT of moving parts making up the price of any stock, let alone a "high flyer" like Tesla.

If on the other hand gains are not important to you, losses could be withstood, and you are all about Tesla succeeding, and want to do everything in you power to help them succeed... I would recommend you to.... just buy another Tesla.

Sparky | April 24, 2017

Carl Thompson is right. I've been an investor since the day Tesla IPO'd but I sold the bulk of my position at $145. I have a few shares left because I like being an owner of the most game changing company on Earth but the share price has about $100 built in just because people love Elon and what he's doing. I do too but a disciplined investor doesn't bet on excessive enthusiasm or an individual heart beat.

Red Sage ca us | April 24, 2017

Sparky: Meh. Elon's marketing is better than their FUDsters. I suspect his body guards are better than their assassins too.

AlMc | April 24, 2017

Diversification is the safest investment strategy IMO. Having said that I am overweighted in TSLA and expect to have it be a leader in my investment returns, If it is not then at least I feel I put my money on the future versus the past.

Civicrick | April 25, 2017

You picked the WRONG FORUM to ask that question. There are a pack of S owners that "have a pretty large chunk" invested in Tesla that prowl this forum selling cars to boost stock value. You can see the ones that live in here, hammering away at anyone that tries to compare Teslas to any other EV. They are posers, chuckling as they drive their Escalades to the bank to deposit dividends

Civicrick | April 25, 2017

And here they come to bury the truth

Bighorn | April 25, 2017

Head back to the Honda board slumdog.

KP in NPT | April 25, 2017

Someone way something? I was prowling. In my Tesla Model S. Bwrahaha

Civicrick | April 25, 2017

Most noble of the species- but still sheep

AlMc | April 25, 2017

@civicrick: This is a Tesla forum so you should expect the vast majority of participants to be 'pro Tesla'. Even given that there are many here that have no problem giving constructive criticism about Tesla and some of the decisions by management that adversely affects the SP of TSLA.

Ex: Many here questioned the wisdom of all the 'bells and whistles' being put into the X. I believe it is generally accepted that the SP of TSLA suffered because this most difficult vehicle to produce caused a very slow ramp.

Having said all this I do believe this is not a good time to 'short' TSLA.

KP in NPT | April 25, 2017

I'm a sweet little lamb....whose stock is doing great today! Thanks Elon!

Baaahhh

Coastal Cruiser. | April 25, 2017

Here is a picture of "Civicrick's" Civic. He picked it up on a great salvaged title deal from the junkyard.

autoblog.com/2012/08/06/ny-neighbors-turn-out-to-mark-passing-of-30-year-old-honda-civic/

KP in NPT | April 25, 2017

Bahahaha!

Well he put a few bucks into tricking it out!

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,w_680/fl_lossy,pg...

Red Sage ca us | April 25, 2017

Meanwhile, GM is up a whole 0.35% (12 cents) at the moment... Yay?

akgolf | April 25, 2017

When did Civicrick become dick?

SamO | April 25, 2017

(un)Civic(p)rick is cockpuppet.

Coastal Cruiser. | April 25, 2017

When did Civicrick become dick?

If you look at the picture of rick that KP posted of him the answer is revealed. I think he got a couple of lures from that fishing hat stuck in his noggin.

Civicrick | April 25, 2017

Geez, you people are mean

Frank99 | April 25, 2017

After your comment? Cry me some more alligator tears.

KP in NPT | April 25, 2017

Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Red Sage ca us | April 25, 2017

Hence, why some are... [IGNORED].

SamO | April 27, 2017

The shorts are fleeing their positions. Runnnnnnnnnnn. Lol.

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Sad that Mark didn't even read the link that falsified his entire investment thesis. #GF1 = Capacity of #China in 2020. Bet against that.
10:55 PM · Apr 4, 2017

https://mobile.twitter.com/TeslaMS60/status/849500620994342913

akgolf | April 27, 2017

Now that's funny!

SamO | April 27, 2017

@akgolf,

Right ;-). And it took me less than 5 minutes to find it. This guy is headed for a crackup.

Coastal Cruiser. | April 27, 2017

The shorts are your friends. Short selling is one of the biggest factors that drives stock prices up.

just sayin'

/cc

AlMc | April 27, 2017

As people actively add 'short' positions it usually depresses the SP. where the shirts help with the TSLA longs is when an event overrides their ability to control the SP movement upward. At that point they help accelerate that positive move as they 'cover' their positions, usually after getting margin calls.

AlMc | April 27, 2017

Shirts is shorts. Still want the ability to 'edit' on this forum :(

efodix | April 28, 2017

I bought Tesla stock back when it was 15$. Sold it at around 45$ because all the analysts were saying it was hugely overpriced. Learned never to trust analysts ever again.

Captain_Zap | April 28, 2017

@efodix

I learned that lesson with MSFT in 1989.

Sparky | April 28, 2017

@efodix

It's true that you could have ridden the wave a lot higher but any time you triple your money in the stock market it can't be a bad thing!