Top Gear and Model S

Top Gear and Model S

Quite possibly my two favorite things. Just want to get that out of the way.

What I like about Top Gear and what I like about Model S have nearly no overlap. This is the same Venn diagram of cars Jeremy likes and V4's. But, I want neither to change or compromise for what they believe in for they are both great and wonderful things.

With that being said I do hope the Model S review goes better than the Roadster review. I hope they pit it against the 4 door Panamera, BMW whatever, Merc whatever, Audi whatever and let the chips fall where they may.

How will it all go? My prediction: Jeremy will fall in love with the Model S when he sees it, sits in it, drives it through Gambon and Hammerhead and speeds off the line with the other 4 doors in it's wake. He'll most certainly mention distance to empty and be pleased. But charging will still be an issue he'll note. He'll mention the cargo space and rear leg room, while chuckling at the rear facing seats. And there will be a joke about the door handles, the big dash screen and sum it all up with another "I'm too dumb to email" joke. Stig will push it through it's paces and it will fall ahead of all other 4 doors including the Karma; If Fisker sends them one. Maybe James will get a word in about the environment? Maybe Richard will race it against an electric superbike? Whatever they do I hope it's creative, funny and entertaining without being too negatively pre-scripted, shortsighted and naive. See below...

My recap of the infamous Roadster review...

When I saw the Roadster get shat on by Jeremy it was much like the Prius review in that there was a feel of pre-scripting negativity. Sure they were positives and it rang true to most of their reviews where the anticipation seemed to wane throughout. Yes, viewers notice when there are quotes "It's positively Electric" and end with "...too quiet". Many of my gearhead friends noted that most likely they put their foot to the floor and kept it there until it ran out of juice (AKA 55 miles). I thought, sure, fine, ok, be that as it may, how many miles did the Elise go under the same conditions? 10.6 gallons and I'm guessing it's going to be less than half of it's city rating so let's say 80 Miles maybe? Regardless it's going to be way less just like the Roadster. And the Roadster beats the Elise of the I'm saying this is a win for the Roadster even if it's 100Miles.

For the brakes issue. I'm sure every car they test have zero issues and they never break them while testing. Isn't all TV production and Auto-racing perfect on the first try? So why did they stoop so low here? It seemed rather ridiculous to me that it was mentioned. Almost like they believed they had found a huge flaw in the design of EV's that the whole world must know about as it might happen to you! To answer my own question of why did they even bother to bring this up? Simple, they've set a higher standard for this car *because* it's an EV. Jeremy has had issues with every car he's ever owned, he's mentioned this several times on air. But why not mention how other test cars have broken then? This so rarely happens I'm guessing they just find bigger flaws with the cars that play better on air.

For the cost issue. The car goes around the track for less than the cars below it on the lap times, so there's no argument here. Notice Jeremy doesn't say where the Elise ranks on the board. Surprise! It's way down at the bottom!

For the charging issues. This was the icing for me where I knew they had set a higher standard. Showing a nuclear plant, showing a tiny wind turbine and a standard charging port. Actually most of the UK's electric comes from the burning of natural gas (73%), it's 30% cleaner than burning petrol (Surprise!) and the recommended charging port gets you from empty to full while you sleep. You can't do that while on a trip to another country like Jeremy points out; but I doubt I'm doing that trip in a sportscar anyway.

What was missing from their review was how long the battery is supposed to last, maintenance and TCO. Which I could argue all favor the Roadster.

Lush1 | April 28, 2011

Tiebreaker, I only mentioned "I'm an American" to illustrate one facet of how my point of view is formed and that geographically, it's unlikely that I would have an affiliation with the BBC. Nothing jingoistic or sinister about it. Not bragging or saying my nationality makes me better or worse than any other person. We all live on the same planet and borders just divide us, but this isn't a sociology forum. It's just that TG has been a super popular show in Brittan for many, many years. It's relatively new to most of us yanks. A few years ago my then teenage son turned me on to Top Gear by showing me a torrent he downloaded of the episode debuting the Veyron. TG wasn't widely available on American TV then. It only came to my provider, Direct TV, recently on BBC America so it's likely that most Americans still have little or no awareness of the show.

Lush1 | April 28, 2011

Timo, when are you saying what you believe and when are you lying? Here you call me a shill for having faith that people are mostly smart enough to think for themselves and expressing my opinion that some here are over reacting and fearing that a crappy review of the Roadster by a scripted entertainment show will doom Tesla. I was just reading this page and was surprised to see the position you took there. You mirrored nearly all my sentiments then. It stands in stark contrast to the vitriol and insults you slung at me on this thread. Are you having trouble keeping your stories straight, or does Tiebreaker (who could only summon this emoticon :-P as his parting shot) have his hand up your behind and is working your mouth? In case you forgot, here's what you said on April 9th, a week before you flamed me here:

"there's no such thing as bad publicity" in this case might be right.

- TG is very known to general public.
- EV:s have bad reputation
- TM is suing TG for giving Roadster bad review.


1) person that looks TG, doesn't know about not EV:s hears about this lawsuit: looks out what is this fuss about Roadster: more publicity, person gets knowledge that EV:s are not just golf carts.

2) person knows about EV:s, looks TG, but doesn't really trust about their capabilities of giving fair test: Pretty much no change. Might think this lawsuit is just major waste of time, "but who cares?"

3) Person doesn't look TG or know about EV:s, hears about lawsuit. Learns out what this fuss is about: more publicity, person gets knowledge that EV:s are not just golf carts. TG might get another viewer. Or not.

4) teeny weeny minority of peoples that either religiously trust TG start hating TM and vice versa.

I think this is good for both, if they manage to make it real media circus, everybody benefits from it."

So, you agreed with me before you disagreed. Why don't you worry about your own comments instead of flaming others for theirs? Are you a hypocrite or just a shallow loudmouth who jumps on the latest bandwagon? You post on the forum a lot and have many good things to say. If you want to be credible, why don't you stick with trying to be informative instead of trying to prove your the smartest guy on the board and stooping to attacks on those who don't follow you like lemmings? Those that can keep up with your fluid opinions that is.
That's my final word on these unprovoked personal attacks. I've wasted enough energy responding to childish, ego driven insults. It was my first flaming so I went with it and found it edifying, but I'm going back to looking for useful information, trying to learn things I don't know and exercising my right to have my own opinions, be they right or wrong. It's a great forum over all. We won't all agree on everything, but we all love Tesla. And yes, I will proudly accept the mantle of a shill for Tesla, should someone choose to confer it upon me.

msiano17 | April 28, 2011

How about scolding each other back in forth in a tedious and useless battle, does anyone have any more up to date information regarding the lawsuit? What progress has been made? Any insider information at all?

Lush1 | April 30, 2011


You are absolutely right. Apologies to all for hijacking the thread. Would have used PM but this board doesn't have it. I'll ignore any detractors henceforth. It was the first time I was ever blasted on-line for expressing my opinion. I now know where it goes and have learned that it's a complete waste of time for everybody. I'm secure enough not to suffer any hurt feelings or trauma when an anonymous person feels violated by my opinions as an anonymous person on a forum read by anonymous persons. Unless someone was posting racist or other hate speech, I cannot fathom why someone would feel compelled to react to an opinion different from their own with fury, vitriol and name calling. It's antithetical to being persuasive or convincing. If everybody had identical opinions there would be no exchange of ideas and topics would have zero replies.

t7n7 | April 30, 2011


You are absolutely correct.


You have some really great things to say on this forum, let's keep that up and cut down on the flaming!

Lush1 | May 1, 2011


Amen. Timo does indeed have many good things to add and I enjoy reading his posts. We CAN all get along. After all, with few exceptions, everybody here shares a passion for Tesla. In-fighting won't convince the EV detractors of Tesla's greatness. I lost sight of that, but I'm back on the right path.


Tiebreaker | May 1, 2011

@Lush1, thank you for the kind words. I hope you save your posts and show them to your grandchildren.

I am sure you will have a lot of fun in your Model S.



Lush1 | May 1, 2011


I imagine you were kidding about saving the posts for posterity, but it's actually a good idea. I've never engaged in an on-line p*ssing contest, but I learned how futile it is and that would be worth passing on to others and to younger generations.


Tiebreaker | May 1, 2011


Supergreekster | May 11, 2011

I think top gear has no business looking into Elon Musk and the corporation that is Tesla. They are a car ahow. They will (hopefully) review the model s, and if you expect them to be civil and forgiving, forget it... They will probably begin their script by saying "the last time we tried one of these teslas, it broke and we got sued! But... [Jeremy] THEY HAVE A NEW ONE!!!"

And then you will hear some good and some bad, and in the end they will form their own opinion, but they have always been negative toward hybrids, EV... They will be only lukewarm at best over the model s. They will belittle the 0-60 time and state that [this and that] are "awkward and unusable"

In the end, though, in an entertaining way, they do tell you some good things and some bad...

In the roadster "review" they were impressed with the acceleration!! POSITIVE!
He said "this is a fun little car!" or something like that...

Then I don't doubt they had problems, because they were doing non-stop power slides and who has done that with their roadster? Anyone? I just think it probably WOULD OVERHEAT!!! I would guess a lot of the cars they test have very bad issues, some even are having blowouts with BRAND NEW TIRES!!

They test these cars in EXTREME PERFORMANCE SCENARIOS! Not all cars would do well...

In the end, they have something good and bad to say about EVERY CAR!!

This is totally fictional, however, because they take these great cars like Ferrari and Nissan GT-R and say "who would put the window switch here?" or "u need an electrical engineering degree to operate the sat nav!". And bash these brilliant cars based on stupid stuff, but it is factual in a way...

Actually, Ferrari is bad example, because they always love Ferrari, Aston Martin, jaguar, and always hate hybrid, EV, American...

But I wouldn't actually say they were dishonest, I think they just accentuated the negative of tesla, but they also had good things to say just not as loudly as the negative!!

Timo | May 11, 2011

You haven't read what was actually happening and what they did show on the show? They lied. Plain and simple. Entire review was about as negative they could make it, it would have been hard to make it even more negative without lying about car performance as well.

Supergreekster | May 12, 2011

I am a little confused, do you work at top gear? Were you there that day? Do you have some sort of first hand knowledge I don't know about? Nobody knows anything about what really happened, I have no doubt that a lot of these shows are kind of pre-scripted, based on specs per manufacturer and then they get online and lookup what is the "buzz" on the Internet about these cars, but I do find it hard to believe that a failure or two were fabricated...

BTW I am a huge tesla fan and I was very upset by how their "review" went, but I also realize that they torture the CRAP out of cars and they are breaking MANY MANY cars they test... It has not stopped me from putting a reservation, and I still love roadster and am trying to figure out how to get one!!

I also enjoy the show and watch a lot of it and do realize there is an irrational hatred of hybrid/EV technology, I don't get that... Bt Jeremy Clarkson is OLD, this is new, different and scary to him!!

Timo | May 12, 2011

Read the lawsuit.

Tiebreaker | May 12, 2011

Ah for the love of humanity!!!

Volker.Berlin | May 13, 2011
Ad van der Meer | May 13, 2011

Shell Inks Top Gear Sponsorship Deal:

Ehmm... Right!!

Sudre | May 19, 2011

As far as I can tell from the video clip of the Leaf (above), Jeremy and crew were so stupid that they could not find a receptacle anywhere in the city they were in until they ran out of juice. Once they were out of power they could find them within pushing distance. That's pathetic.

I've never seen them drive around a city with an ICE until it ran out of gas then push it somewhere gas is NOT sold and fuel up. They should try that one.

Did they even try going to a gas station? bet they have plugs there.

Yes I get they were looking for a charging station. Point is you don't need a charging station... they are just faster.