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Version 9 update

I loaded the latest Version 9 software update today. Kind of wish I hadn't since there are some annoying effects - unless I haven't figured out how some of the new details work.

Here is what I don't like. I cant get the navigation screen to go away - yes there are some exceptions but most of the settings still partially show the nav screen at the same time. I don't need navigation 95% of the time and don't want to watch movement on the screen for no reason.

I can no longer toggle the fan off and on from the button at the bottom of the screen. Its more complicated now. The fan screen disappears automatically when the fan is shut off. would be nice if it stayed there.

I was hoping the heated steering wheel control would be at the main level, just like the seat heaters. Its still kind of buried unfortunately.

On a positive note, combining the settings and controls into one page probably makes sense - a little less searching around.

In general I would rather go back to the previous software if I could.

Would be interested in hearing other opinions of the Version 9 update.

johncrab | October 6, 2018

Combining settings and controls works but on the rest of this mess they really screwed the pooch. It looks more like a Ford attempt to throw stuff at a screen and see what sticks. Nav on all the time and having to bring up the rear camera in a window truly SUCKS! Give the Nav a command and the camera window closes. It is also at the bottom now so I have to look toward the damn floor to check blind spots and then fiddle with the thing to get the camera window back. I can turn on the AC with one touch as before but have to screw with a menu to turn the bloody thing off. This was much better before they totally fucked up the screen with this mess. Tesla won't roll these back but perhaps they will change their minds after a class action. I see real danger from distraction from this pile of horseshit.

Mike83 | October 6, 2018

Nut thread

dalley514 | October 6, 2018

I agree - I do not want the map being displayed constantly. Bring back the camera on top and either the map or slacker on the bottom.

This is A MAJOR issue with me, the display is now an annoyance.

tesla-rick | October 7, 2018

Center UI now sucks. I used the camera all the time to see blind spots and to merge. It really helped to see in traffic. I always (used to) had camera on top and tunes on bottom. The stuff I use. Don't use Nav and now it's on all the time. Please fix and let use pick the apps we use and display the way that works for each of us. Wish I could back this update out. While your at it the fan function could go back to the way it was. What a bunch of changes just to make a change.

808 24 7 | October 7, 2018

I agree with the comments. While it seems like a "smoother" layout than before, having maps on at the top all the time is such a step backwards. Why take functionality away? I, too, had the rear cam on top 95% of the time for safety. Super disappointed that we can no longer choose our own layout. Come on, Tesla! Fix this 'bug' and we'll all be happy. One positive: LOVE the idea of showing HOV lanes now. Thumbs up for that. :)

Prescott AZ Blue | October 7, 2018

Ha! Version 9 has gone from lusted after to the equivalent of a ‘fun size’ candy bar in you Halloween bag.

One thing I learned- quite a few people like to have that rear view camera up while driving. I’m guessing it’s an effective blind spot warning substitute? Any other tricks for the older Ss?

I’m certain that Telsa will make adjustments in due time. I mean, look at all the almost identical comments / rants on several threads here.

kenpatkrueger | October 7, 2018

I ABSOLUTELY HATE the new screen. It's distracting, and I never use the Nav system anyway. I would like to have a choice about what takes up the whole thing....it's even really hard to find the other buttons at the top, as it's so cluttered. SURELY they will let us have a choice about what we have to look at all the time!

yorkmichael | October 7, 2018

I'm also not a fan of most of the changes. One other change is my Model S's LTE signal appears weaker with only two bars where I usually had all five bars prior to the update. And having to tap the apps button first to display the camera adds another step that wasn't necessary before. I would prefer to rollback to the previous version if I could.

Is anyone aware of a feedback mechanism for Tesla? I doubt anyone from Tesla reads these forums (at least not to take action on them), so it would be nice if we could provide feedback or take a survey on these changes so Tesla can learn what works for people and what doesn't to inform future software UI design choices.

jimglas | October 7, 2018

I always had radio on top and rearview camera at bottom. I hate the Nav which used to run in the background when I did use it. Hopefully Tesla will fix this update.

patswin | October 7, 2018

Agree loved being able to swap things up and down on screen depending on driving situation. Although almost always had rear camera on up top and have gotten to depend on that. Taking away that functionality makes no sense.

On positive note, I thought ap1 had matured and had achieved everything it was going to be able to do. However after this update it can now change lanes automatically with turn signal

dslackman | October 7, 2018

Have version 9 for two days and still getting used to it. It’s not objectionable but I don’t see much improvement. Blind spot warning is definitely a plus. I’m not happy about the changes in traffic status on the map. The old system was very clear about both open roads and slowdowns. Now, it only shows congestion. Much harder for me to use while driving. I can no longer understand the road situation ahead of me, at a glance.

dwaynefisher | October 7, 2018

I never complain about this stuff, but this upgrade version 9 took me over the edge. Don't like version 9 at all. If I can get back to 8, this will be my last upgrade because I am growing weary of the lack in transparency when it comes to upgrades. I could live with the high maintenance autopilot, but version 9 is where I draw the line.

Please put me in contact with someone who can help me roll back to version 8.

plinz | October 7, 2018

I will not be "upgrading" to version 9, if at all possible. I don't mind change for the better, but everything I've read, studied and heard is mostly negative.

nsher | October 7, 2018

I really dislike the version 9 upgrade and wish I never downloaded it. I do not need the navigation 95% of the time. I really want the review view camera view in the top screen. It is more distracting to get the radio tuned. This is a big step backward and I hope that someone at Tesla will put a fix in.

kblasser | October 7, 2018

I will also log my hate for this new upgrade!

TESLA-FIX THIS! Camera on top and I don't need nav on all the time. I know what my street looks like!

4dwolf | October 7, 2018

Listen, I understand maybe auto pilot needs maps open all the time BUT I don't have AP and my 2014 MS is now between annoying and dangerous. Please give us non AP owners an option (like Classic Coke) to go back to Version 8. You know the issues, all listed above - now fix it immediately or loose and hard core fan, please? If not I will never update anything ever again so just admit that there are some issues and fix it. Don't just push forward - There was a reason the design evolved to the great UI it was.

nageshd | October 7, 2018

I hate it. Split Screen gone, Navigation useless App is on all the time. I want my choice of "two apps and their location choice" back. Really the new display sucks.

jlhm | October 7, 2018

@patswin. Ap1 cars have been able to change lane automatically with turn signal for a very long time,at least since early 2016 when I got mine model S.

Gzr | October 8, 2018

I have not upgraded yet. Looks like I should hold off!

patswin | October 8, 2018

@jlhm. True but you had to hold the turn signal while making lane change. Now you can fully engage turn signal and it does complete lane change by itself

kenj | October 8, 2018

@patswin worked in AP1 either way, holding the turn signal or fully-engaging the turn signal. You have to be careful when holding the turn signal because if you release, Autopilot thinks you are canceling and it can feel rough moving back to the original lane.

barnstone | October 8, 2018

I have not installed V9 yet, but very wary. I watched numerous videos, read multiple threads and the guidance provided by @tesla. I do NOT want to lose my split screen flexibility. I actually do like having NAV on nearly all of the time, but I also like the other controls at the ready and from what I see, I will lose this functionality in that opening up any App actually blocks/covers up part of the NAV screen. WTH? That actually seems more dangerous to me (albeit from a driving perspective, I often use the close up NAV near the steering wheel for more accuaracy). In fact the ability to switch and expand/shrink the screens was a feature I would show off with my friends who were new to the car. @tesla, if you really wanted to improve the screen, you should have just given us a font/zoom feature. That would have been a blessing. Please bring. Split screens back!!!!!! Thank you.

barnstone | October 8, 2018

I have not installed V9 yet, but very wary. I watched numerous videos, read multiple threads and the guidance provided by @tesla. I do NOT want to lose my split screen flexibility. I actually do like having NAV on nearly all of the time, but I also like the other controls at the ready and from what I see, I will lose this functionality in that opening up any App actually blocks/covers up part of the NAV screen. WTH? That actually seems more dangerous to me (albeit from a driving perspective, I often use the close up NAV near the steering wheel for more accuaracy). In fact the ability to switch and expand/shrink the screens was a feature I would show off with my friends who were new to the car. @tesla, if you really wanted to improve the screen, you should have just given us a font/zoom feature. That would have been a blessing. Please bring. Split screens back!!!!!! Thank you.

patswin | October 8, 2018

Come in @Kenj and jlhm, I’m trying to come up with a positive for v9 and this is all I got :). Seriously though before when you engaged turn signal fully it would change lanes but pretty sure it would keep going until you turned of signal and then at that point it would center itself in the lane. Now I can fully engage turn signal and it will move over one lane and center itself without my touching the turn signal. What it doesn’t do is turn off signal once completed so you still have to grab it again to turn off signal

Rocky_H | October 8, 2018

@808 24 7, Quote: “is such a step backwards. Why take functionality away?”

Because that’s what they do.

@Prescott AZ Blue, Quote: “I’m certain that Telsa will make adjustments in due time.”

I don’t necessarily like their “adjustments”. They made things worse in 7.0 and even worse still in version 8.0. I am not surprised to see them continue the trend. I need to hold off from 9.0 as long as I possibly can.

For the pre-AP cars, I see nothing but bad things and loss of functionality in this update.

SSFDON | October 8, 2018

I agree with all the other comments about the new layout on the screen. I also had preferred the camera on the top and audio setting on the bottom and letting me make the choice of where to put the apps on the screen. I do not need the map for my daily commute. I wish I could go back to version 8. Next time there is an update I will wait and check reviews first.

jordanrichard | October 8, 2018

I am surprised by the number of people that use the rear camera on a regular basis. Why? I rarely/never use the camera when going forward.

For those with pre-AP cars, with V9, did it change the instrument panel at all?

kenj | October 8, 2018

@Patswin - Fair enough. On my 3rd Tesla. Pre-ordered a Model 3 April 2016 same month I picked up an "old skool" MS 70D, just for AP. It was the last month before the nose cones went away - who knew. Got an MX in September. I don't have V9 yet on my MX -- so I'm jealous. :)

I recall this same kind of thing happened when Apple changed the UI for iPhones from version 6 to version 7. Lots of screaming then too. Eventually, people got over it. Same thing will happen with V9. There are many improvements that are "under the covers". The UI changes will become normal. Folks that want to keep the camera open can do that - albeit in the lower screen. Most other things can be placed on the dash, left or right. Nav is the background, and the web browser appears that it can only go 3/4 of screen.

I personnaly do not want to go back to the days when you had to use EV Planner to map out a route. You didn't know a SC was full until you got there. You were taking a guess on whether you were going to make it to the charging point. No driver assistance -- AP. I always felt a software update is like getting a new vehicle without a new purchase.

BTW, how much customization of the screens can you do with any other vehicle. Even with Apple CarPlay and Google Play you get the UI they give you.

Rocky_H | October 8, 2018

@kenj, Quote: "I recall this same kind of thing happened when Apple changed the UI for iPhones from version 6 to version 7. Lots of screaming then too. Eventually, people got over it."

This kind of nonsensical thinking is really funny. People realizing that Apple not giving a f&^@ what they think and not going to respond to it is what you take for equaling that their complaints had no merit.

SUN 2 DRV | October 8, 2018

"For those with pre-AP cars, with V9, did it change the instrument panel at all?"

That's a key question for me too... anyone know if the AP0 instrument cluster changes in V9, or do we get to keep our analog speedo and power meter?

amagh | October 8, 2018

Adding my name to the list of owners that don't like the new UI. I appreciate all the enhancements brought by Release 9, but I don't need Nav all the time. I do 99.99% of my driving in my own city, and even if I used Nav to calculate the fastest route to my destination, I would switch the map view off and use the Nav display on the instrument panel. I used to have the camera on the top half, and Media on the bottom. I used the rear camera for many cues such as a marker on the floor of my garage that indicated I had cleared the path of the garage door when I pulled in, and also to see the white lines when pulling into a parking spot which indicated I was far enough in without having to hit the concrete bump. Now I need to be switching between camera and music on the bottom half of the screen. Seems to me that Tesla needs some good Human Factors engineers in their team.

amagh | October 8, 2018

Adding my name to the list of owners that don't like the new UI. I appreciate all the enhancements brought by Release 9, but I don't need Nav all the time. I do 99.99% of my driving in my own city, and even if I used Nav to calculate the fastest route to my destination, I would switch the map view off and use the Nav display on the instrument panel. I used to have the camera on the top half, and Media on the bottom. I used the rear camera for many cues such as a marker on the floor of my garage that indicated I had cleared the path of the garage door when I pulled in, and also to see the white lines when pulling into a parking spot which indicated I was far enough in without having to hit the concrete bump. Now I need to be switching between camera and music on the bottom half of the screen. Seems to me that Tesla needs some good Human Factors engineers in their team.

Yodrak. | October 8, 2018

"I am surprised by the number of people that use the rear camera on a regular basis. Why?"

Because it shows so much more than the rearview mirror, especially what's at the rear corners of the car. Yes, you can see those rear corners with the side mirrors, but with the rear camera you can see both corners at the same time - don't have to look side to side from one mirror to the other and back again.

Pricee2 | October 8, 2018

Add me to the list that wants the backup camera on top most of the time. Don't need navigation 99.97% of the time, I know where I am and where I am going. I won't be installing this update for awhile or maybe never.

m.vojtus | October 8, 2018

I am super disappointed with the V9 update since I can not have the camera view on top of the screen like before. I own Model S and model X and both cars have quite limited view through rear view mirror,so having a large beautiful image of whats going on behind the car on top of the center screen was one of the things I loved about my car. I think it was adding to safety when driving as well. Tesla is now forcing me to have the entire upper half of center screen to have maps on at all times which is ridicules. If I need driving directions, I am using the left side of my small steering wheel screen for that anyways,so I have no need for maps on center screen. Before I could have had upper part of the screen using rear view camera and bottom half of the screen for media player or energy app. Not anymore..Now I only have one option ,either using the bottom half of the screen for camera or media player ,because the entire upper part of the screen is filled with maps that I don't need...Great job Tesla ,really great... What I used to love about Tesla was that everything used to be customizable,but it seems like they choosing to go the same route like other tech companies when becoming big,by forcing their way on customers telling them what they want instead of what customer wants(just like APPLE).Another thing that sucks about this new update is that now I have to tap two buttons instead of tapping once before ,when I want to turn climate on or off. I can also press and HOLD the fan button for a few seconds to do so, but try doing it at highway speeds when everything around is moving.Good luck with that...Holding my finger on the same spot on the screen is very difficult and draws my attention away from keeping my eyes on the road on focusing holding my finger on the spot on the screen. TESLA really blew it in my opinion with this latest update and I highly DO NOT recommend it...

nsher | October 8, 2018

I previously commented on the 9.0 software. It makes driving less pleasant and is more distracting as the driver has to touch twice on the touch screen to select a channel on the entertainment system and twice to go back to rear view. The Model S hatch back has limited rear visibility and the rear camera is an important safety factor. IT IS A TRUE STEP BACKWARD.
The split screen needs to be brought back. The navigation default view should be eliminated.
Preferences should available for the screen layout ie. rear camera on top, entertainment on the bottom. Map view should not appear unless somewhat is navigating somewhere or presses the icon as in Version 8.0

I get consumer surveys after every flight on Delta, most hotel stays and many other vendors and restaurants. The Tesla service department sends me a survey after a maintenance or repair. I have never received a survey from Tesla corporate on my thoughts on the 2016 Model S in 26 months. This forum is valuable and I appreciate all your comments. There seems to be near unanimous agreement on this forum that this software change is poorly thought out and could be dangerous. I would suggest that Tesla send out a survey to a statistically valid sample of owners concerning Version 9. If the data received is similar to the comments here, I hope they make a fix soon.

szakheim | October 8, 2018

It's truly difficult to believe that Tesla could have dropped the ball so badly with this update. They've effectively taken the enjoyment out of driving this car. I don't want to look at the Navi all the time. I want the camera on top where it easier to view. I want to have the radio stations and choices easily available as they used to be. I could care less about these ridiculous games they've added. I'm more concerned with convenience and screen customization. This is outrageous. My lease expires in 8 weeks. Since day one, it was my plan to stay in a Tesla, however, these changes are a game changer for me.

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asthmadoc | October 8, 2018

Yea not too thrilled with the new update, sucks the screen is fixed on nav, have to fix this annoying issue.

gregrt | October 8, 2018

I hate Tesla wasted time porting games to the car. Really? I have better games on my phone to play while supercharging. A better use of time would be making the screens more configurable. Also I purchased a Model S, not the bottom off the line Model 3. So, now are we are pushed to accept the Model3 UI? I have not received my update yet. Wish there was an emulator so we could test it out first.

Madatgascar | October 8, 2018

Sure are a lot of weirdos out there. Driving with the rear view camera on constantly? No map? Never seen this.

I had a Saab once that would black out everything except the speedo for night driving, which I enjoyed.

lam.steve07 | October 8, 2018

Can I choose not to upgrade to version 9?

nrao | October 9, 2018

After reading the above comments, I am not too excited to receive the new update.
Rarely use the navigation and don’t want as a default. Like the split screen that one can toggle.

babyjocko | October 9, 2018

I like it. Much better organized - more streamlined. Map can be full-screened, not apps. That's fine with me.

tgdyer | October 9, 2018

V9.0

Good: I like that the media player can be shrunk down. No need for it to take half the screen.

Bad: Shrunk media player should allow for more to be displayed than just more of the NAV. There should be more display options than NAV on top + one other thing at the bottom.

Really Bad: Model S has serious blind spots while driving. Add me to the list of folks who had come to rely on the rear view camera on top to clear my blind spots before changing lanes.

Looking forward to the fixes.

johncrab | October 9, 2018

I spoke with the service manager at my service centre on Monday, 8 October and he said they had been getting a lot of complaints about V9 and urged/insisted I write to feedback@tesla.com to express my displeasure with the ability to see the camera view (and other things) being taken away from me. I'll link to a post at Teslamotorsclub which lays out a rather dark scenario (which makes some sense) to push us all in the direction Tesla wants to go rather than where we want to go with our cars.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/3103423/

It does seem we are stuck with this wretched and horrible downgrade which has turned my six figure car into a crappy game console and now makes me go through a menu to turn off the AC and take my eyes off the road to see if someone is coming up in a blind spot. I've sent the company legal notice that I feel this is a safety issue, just to get that on the record in case. The service manager said he felt change would inevitably come to V9 to correct some of these issues and he remained positive about the power of feedback.

Speaking personally, I feel betrayed. Things I counted on were summarily taken away. Reasons why I bought the car (being able to SEE blind spots) are gone. In their place is a damn game console for which I have as much use as a submarine has for a screen door. This is childish, churlish and simply ridiculous and I feel it mocks me as the customer. We had been holding off on a Model 3 reservation but after discussing this for four days, we have decided instead on a Peugeot 301d with 850 mile range. Yes, it burns stuff but it's $17k with all taxes and license, has a nav system, AC, stereo and is quiet and comfortable. I really do feel mocked by Tesla at this point and I just don't like my car as much after these changes. It's not the same car. It's value (to me) has been diminished. It has been a fun experiment and I still think electric driving is the future but I think Elon is losing his mind and his crazy rants are going to lead to Tesla becoming a division of some other company that hopefully can run it without the theatrics. The man has too much on his plate and needs to make some decisions. I've made mine. He can afford to play games but I can't.

Techlin2.0 | October 9, 2018

I am driving a Model S85 and after the 9.0 update I am not satisfied with the fact t hat the camera view is now permanently “Down” and it is not possible to bring it "up" to the higher area where it is easier to look at while driving/turning/.... Thanks for fixing this soon.

kennymcpeters | October 9, 2018

I am extremely disappointed with the center screen now too. I prefer the rear camera on top and have gotten used to it helping detect blindspots. It seems much more dangerous driving now that I have to look further down to see the camera. The model S has horrible blindspots! I feel like my car has been made worse instead of improved like it usually is when we get an update. I use my camera on top and music or energy on the bottom most of the time. It’s totally unnecessary to have navigation running when you’re not using it. You really need to bring back the split screen with ability to have two things on the screen and swap them. Looking forward for the next update when these mistakes are fixed so the car is as good as it used to be. Please don’t blow it Tesla... fix that rear camera for our safety!! Thank you for adding blindspot detection and the ability to see cars behind us but you got to get that camera back on top. I feel like a fool for being so excited to get the new update and now I wish I hadn’t installed it. Too bad we can’t revert back to the last version. ☹️

tlowe | October 9, 2018

On October 5th I received a software update. Usually, these updates are welcomed and provide an additional feature or fixes a problem. This one however has changed the entire driving experience I purchased when I bought the vehicles.

What has happened here, Tesla has replaced my software, which had the features I liked on it, with an entirely new system. The new system shows information I do not wish to see with no recourse to turn it off.

The software system they replaced mine with was developed for the down-market product line called the Model 3. Pricing for the Model 3 starts at $30K, Well, needless to say there were several more multiples of that price paid for ours.

There are major significant difference:

1. The screen in a Tesla is the heart of the driving experience.
2. Having the information you want and need on the screen - at the right time - heightens the driving experience.
3. Having the rear camera on while driving, makes it an essential safety feature that is now diminished at least 70%
4. The map device is now on all of the time. It can’t be turned off. Original version you could turn the map on and off when needed.
5. The previous system’s screen was divided in half. You could have two programs on at the same time with the same amount of visibility.
6. Now you can only have the map app and one other program
7. What makes it worst, the second screen is a little less than 40% of the screen when it used to be 50% of the screen
8. The dull ugly gray map is what you now predominantly see. (see photo) The other screens were much more colorful and graphically pleasing
9. One could move the half screens from the bottom to the top and vice versa with a touchscreen button – very handy and convenient.
10. This 50/50 screen set up allowed my rear-view camera to be prominently displayed allowing me greater protection on the road when changing lanes.
11. The screen is now a drab, out of proportioned screen, when it used to be symmetrical, colorful and one could choose what featured were to be displayed – together

This smaller video screen is a detriment to my safety. I always had my screen the top very prominent to be used as a navigation device when changing lanes.

Below is copy from Tesla’s web site where it shows all machines are receiving the same update, thus, my sophisticated software has been brought down to the software developed for the low priced model.

Discover Software Version 9.0
Software Version 9.0 introduces updates to the touchscreen and Tesla mobile app designed for a faster, more intuitive user experience.
Every single Model S, Model X and Model 3 on the road will receive new features and improvements from Software Version 9.0.
It’s now easier to find what you’re looking for: the new application launcher lets you access all your apps from one place, Controls and Settings have been combined, and Auto Lane Change is always enabled when using Autosteer (Beta). In addition, Navigation provides more insight into upcoming turns—including highway exit information—and the instrument cluster now displays a 360-degree view of surrounding cars.

szakheim | October 9, 2018

I'm new to these forums mainly because I've had nothing before to criticize or complain about. I simply love the car. Now that enjoyment has been seriously diminished with this new version, 9.0. Does anyone from Tesla read or responds to these forums? Every time I got into my car today the fan speed on the AC defaulted back to number one for some reason, and that's not a good thing in south Florida. The driving experience has been greatly diminished and become much more dangerous with 9.0 by forcing you to fish around with the screen to change the channels and by having the reverse camera positioned on the bottom quadrant of the screen. I don't understand why the split screen was removed and the ability to customize the screen in the way the driver most enjoyed. This brand once represented the future and now it's just another car with an electric motor. Although it's better for the environment, I can't imagine driving this vehicle and being so uncomfortable over the long term. It's sad. Is there anyway to revert back to version 8? I want my car back!!

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