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W n m t t a: what it would be like if Tesla / Musk did not exist.

W n m t t a: what it would be like if Tesla / Musk did not exist.

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jerrykham | June 28, 2020

Well, I for one, would still have a loud, stinky, gas car that had to go to a gas station once a week. That would suck.

Xerogas | June 28, 2020

My commute to the space station would be much more expensive.

FISHEV | June 28, 2020

China with leading EV manufacturing and sales and leading EV battery tech is what the world looks like without Tesla.

In US, the best value EVs are Hyundai Kona EV and Kia Niro EV’s. US would have these with or without Tesla as H/K import them to US as overflow from China and EU, the two biggest EV markets.

FISHEV | June 28, 2020

We really need to talk about @Ross1 not buying a Tesla or any EV. Same with @andy.connor.e. Very hypocritical especially considering both spam Tesla Owners forum.

Why don’t you buy a Tesla boys?

TabascoGuy | June 28, 2020

FishEV,

For the millionth time, ownership is not a requirement by Tesla to participate in these forums. You're the one spamming here anyway.

What we do need to talk about is why Tesla hasn't banned you. Again. Permanently.

Take a flying leap troll.

TabascoGuy | June 28, 2020

Back to topic.

We wouldn't be having any of these conversations.

akgolf | June 28, 2020

Fishy would be spamming other forums?

andy.connor.e | June 28, 2020

it would be much less exciting.

FISHEV | June 28, 2020

We should talk about how Tesla would not exist if it was up to all talk fanbois like @Ross1 and @andy.connor.e who claim it is BESTEST SAFEST CAR EVER but refuse to buy them and really support Tesla.

Yodrak. | June 28, 2020

No, we do not need to talk about this ,or most of the other things that no one but the OP feel we need to talk about.

andy.connor.e | June 28, 2020

Remove the "we need more to talk about" part, and then the thread reads "What it would be if Tesla / Musk did not exist. No one is making you comment.

Ross1 | June 29, 2020

yes.
The thing is, it gets people away from arguing and destroying the fora. Doesnt matter what they talk about, at least we have polite dialog. Sometimes.

Ross1 | June 29, 2020

Mr Fish has been flagged away, but he was saying that @andy.e and I have an agenda, we try to persuade people to buy Teslas.
I cannot recall any post of mine when I did that.
I cannot buy a Tesla here in Tassie even if I had the money because I live on an island state with no Service infrastructure.
I am hoping that when my ordered Cybertruck arrives there might be some semblance of service available without having to send it by ship to another state. How would you do that?
Otherwise it will just be a decoration in my drive, a testament to my buying TSLA stock, otherwise I could never have one.

akgolf | June 29, 2020

Well if Tesla or Elon didn’t exist, my IRA balance would be $100K less and I wouldn’t be able to afford my Cybertruck.

Thanks Tesla and Elon!

Ross1 | June 29, 2020

Me too.

FISHEV | June 29, 2020

@Ross1 I cannot buy a Tesla here in Tassie even if I had the money because I live on an island state with no Service infrastructure,”

It’s 200 miles long and wide so a home charged Tesla would do well and Tasmania has electricity and 30A outlets. If you feel you can never afford nor drive an EV (though it’s clear you could make it work) then move on.

Go find a non-Tesla forum to post your non-Tesla inanities. You keep posting topics to the effect “lets not talk about Tesla’s on the Tesla owner’s forum because I don’t own one.”

Shesmyne2 | June 29, 2020

Doug & Bob wouldn’t be on the ISS.

Still Grinning ;-)

FISHEV | June 29, 2020

@ | June 29, 2020 Doug & Bob wouldn’t be on the ISS.“

They’d be there on someone else’s space ship. Tesla’s mandate was to create at least two commercial space ship companies and there were other bidders. SpaceX is a NASA creation.

Orthopod | June 29, 2020

Why andy didn’t put a deposit on the Model 3 in March, 2016?

andy.connor.e | June 29, 2020

i did have a reservation on the model 3

FISHEV | June 29, 2020

Who knows, all we know is that @Ross1 says he cannot afford a Tesla and even if he could he doesn’t think it would work on his home in Tasmania. Fair enough but why is he posting on Tesla Owners forum and suggesting people not talk about Teslas because he’ll never get a Tesla.

Have no idea what @andy.connor.e’’s issue is but he never supported Tesla with a car purchase, has no experience on knowledge of a Tesla but spends his time spamming Tesla Owner’s Forum trying to delete actual owner’s posts and comments.

That’s some bat shit crazy stuff.

Ross1 | June 29, 2020

yes

Ross1 | June 30, 2020

......he is suggesting that people talk about other stuff instead of swearing at each other, denigrating, criticizing.
See, it works: Only you Fish ...post on these threads of mine to criticise. That occupies your time so you are not criticising someone else. I have become the sacrificial anode...then your posts get flagged out and we get to continue.....getting to know each other better and sharing parallel interests.
Psychology possibly passed you by, but others get it. It works.

akgolf | June 30, 2020

I don’t understand why some feel you have to own a a Tesla in order to participate on these forums.

I’ve been following Tesla for years and have sold friends on Tesla. They’ve beaten me to Tesla ownership, but I’ll get there. Everyone’s circumstances are different.

andy.connor.e | June 30, 2020

Im really not sad about not being able to afford Model 3 a few years ago, because cybertruck is much more appropriate. I would have loved to not have had severe health problems.

akgolf | June 30, 2020

Same here Andy.

I was supposed to be driving around in my Model 3 by now. Early retirement because of heath issues and spending more on our retirement home than anticipated put an end to that.

The Cybertruck will make it all worth it.

M-A-B-MCMLXXX | June 30, 2020

@eagles "That’s some bat shit crazy stuff."

What bat-s crazy is someone who claims to be an about 55 year old man simultaneously:
1. Expresses the childlike opinion that someone who doesn't own a product can't know anything factual about that product, and
2. Posts a bunch about the ford mach e, something he doesn't own.

TeslaTap.com | June 30, 2020

I'm a Tesla owner, and I'm happy to have contributing non-owners here like Ross & Andy. There are only a couple of FUDsters who hate everyone and we all get picked on at one time or another.

blkice | June 30, 2020

Ross & Andy seem like good people. Until Fish Explains his obvious hate hate for all things MUSK he can stick all his posts, maybe he has a good reason, but until he does he has NO credibility and just seems like a PRICK

andy.connor.e | June 30, 2020

Fish lies about Tesla for 4 years, but claims someone cant be trusted because they dont own the car.

Ross1 | June 30, 2020

Actually, in not owning the car, is there not a wider perspective? Perhaps not as deep technically.
And in owning the TSLA stock equivalent, which makes the greater contribution?

M-A-B-MCMLXXX | June 30, 2020

"Actually, in not owning the car, is there not a wider perspective? Perhaps not as deep technically."

I'd give the first one a "possibly," and the second one a "zero correlation." Owning a car doesn't provide technical knowledge.

Ross1 | June 30, 2020

...not as deep hands-on , then. Experientially is the word.

M-A-B-MCMLXXX | June 30, 2020

Sure. That is a fair assessment.

andy.connor.e | June 30, 2020

Owning the car would help with the "this is how i solved this problem" or "this is how i usually handle these situations". Other than that, you can learn anything you'd ever need to know from Tesla, Elon, the car manuals and being an electrical engineer. Reading almost 3 years of owner feedback helps too. I am very confident that i will be buying the Cybertruck.

Ross1 | June 30, 2020

...and I drive the stock more than I drive a car.
Very hands on there, and I nearly won the monthly forecast up against owners (of cars).

And because of the forum, and @Silver, I bought WKHS. From under $1 to 17.50 and rising. Because of the forum I am now an electric truck fan. I was involved in building trucks like all these, for 10 years, but was never a truck enthusiast. Even owned a F100 last version (disaster). ...the back wheels don't grip, the chassis cracked, the steering box flew off often..the diff leaked,

Ross1 | June 30, 2020

My first car was a Model T truck

FISHEV | July 1, 2020

@Ross1 | June 30, 2020 Actually, in not owning the car, is there not a wider perspective?”

No and no reasons not owning a Tesla would give one a “wider perspective”. Not owning a Tesla means no experience with the car and EV’s. Everything you state is second hand and third hand by the time you repeat what you choose to read and how you choose to interpret it.

This is the Tesla OWNERS Forum and it is not about a “wider perspective” but a sharper focus on owning and driving a Tesla and the various issues.

You keep asking Tesla Owners to talk about something other than Tesla’s, coming from someone who says he cannot afford an EV and would not buy one if he could, to be posting here is simply bizarre behavior and it bad for the forum and it’s purpose.

As for @andy.connor.e, his situation is similar but he maintains a pretense that someday he’ll buy a Tesla though there’s no indication after many years that is true. Meanwhile he, like you, goes by second hand information which he interprets and repeats based on his complete lack of experience and knowledge of Tesla’s.

And both of you attack actual owners and misused the forum to delete actual owner posts and comments.

Neither of you can justify your bad behavior.

M-A-B-MCMLXXX | July 1, 2020

Speaking of pretense, what about Fishev, who stated 11 months ago:
"What we did, six home owners, was three of wanted it, three of us didn't so the three who did paid for 600A transformer, conduit for all 12 parking spots, wiring to just three and those three purchased whatever charger they wanted to match their vehicle. Each 6 x 2 car spots get 100A. If the others want to buy in at later date, they pay 1/6 of the original install and wiring to their spot and their own charger.
We share a parking lot."
And then stated 8 months ago:
"I park on Federal Land controlled by Army Corp of Engineers. They won't let us [6 homes, 24 parking spots] put in the charging infrastructure. We have our state and Federal reps on the case but they say we will not get positive response until pro-EV people are appointed to various Federal agencies involved. FEMA, ACE, etc. We only need to change a couple of them.
I purchased the car knowing I would be dependent on public charging.

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/ce2b7n/ev_charging_st...
http://archive.vn/tfsHq

andy.connor.e | July 1, 2020

I find it rather confusing that as a presumed individual here on these forums Fish, that you seemingly lack any and all interest in knowing the details about another individuals situation in which caused them to not go through with their Model 3 reservation to a full purchase. But instead spend your time trying to create what seems like a political image of that person that is predicated on negativity and malevolence, that in and of itself does not have much evidence to support it.

However, there is a 4 year history of you lying about Tesla, giving destructive advice to people when using superchargers, advising the use of third party software or apps that have knowing negative consequences to their vehicles such as increased vampire drain, regularly confuse other users on the forums about how to interpret energy and power on their screens which includes constantly switching the units of energy and power so other users cannot tell the difference, promoting and spreading negative FUD articles about Tesla, Elon and Tesla's products, and the ongoing constant promotion of anything not Tesla as objectively better.

I have no requirement to justify or defend myself against any accusations that have no evidence. Especially when there is significantly more evidence to the contrary nested in the threads and comments i've contributed to over the 4 year period i've been on these forums, for anyone to read at their discretion should they have the desire to actually find out for themselves.

@SCCRENDO are you paying attention yet? :)

Magic 8 BaII | July 1, 2020

EVIL liar, the OP has been known to be a long standing Tesla short and is pushing his HIDDEN AGENDA. DO NOT LISTEN OP = cognitive dissonance evil liar

FISHEV | July 1, 2020

andy.connor.e | July 1, 2020 I find it rather confusing that as a presumed individual here on these forums Fish, that you seemingly lack any and all interest in knowing the details about another individuals situation in which caused them to not go through with their Model 3 reservation to a full purchase.”

No confusion, if you don’t own a Tesla, then don’t be on the Tesla OWNERS Forum. Who knows or cares why you don’t own or drive a Tesla. It is irrelevant.

akgolf | July 1, 2020

Funny. I don’t see a reference to this being called the Tesla Owners Forum, just Forums.

Looking forward to the Cybertruck, meanwhile enjoying the ride with my Tesla stock!

Thank you Elon and Tesla.

M-A-B-MCMLXXX | July 1, 2020

“ No confusion, if you don’t own a Tesla, then don’t be on the Tesla OWNERS Forum. ”

From a guy who posted here for at least 2 years longer than he claims to have owned a tesla...

Ross1 | July 1, 2020

I actually dont read anything about Mustangs and Porsches. It is a choice, what we read.