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Wait, but I didn't even order food yet!

Wait, but I didn't even order food yet!

I've followed the news of 150kw chargers and didn't care much. These faster charges mean nothing to me when I'm traveling with kids.

Today I'm posting this from a restaurant close to the SC. And I kid you not, I'm not even done ordering food and the app says I'll be ready to leave in 5mins.

Wait... Just got a message saying I'm almost done!!

This is affecting my life, now I have to move the car.

hokiegir1 | July 3, 2019

I'm anticipating this problem...

jimglas | July 3, 2019

Increase charge to 100%?

ICEMELT | July 3, 2019

#firstworldproblems

Kathy Applebaum | July 3, 2019

Try explaining this problem to people who worry that it takes too long to charge on trips. :)

vmulla | July 3, 2019

@hokiegirl,
And it's a problem. Over the last few years I got used to having nice meals with the family while the car charges.
Tesla is ruining family time :)

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On an other thing. Remember that idea EM had about opening restaurants at SCs and giving folks ability to order food from the car's screen?

They should really do that for all the restaurants near the SCs. Unless folks can order food ahead, the faster charging is wasted on families like ours.

Bighorn | July 3, 2019

People will be pairing on purpose. Hopefully with consent.

vmulla | July 3, 2019

@Bighorn,
I didn't quite get you. If it's sharing the charge between A & B stations you're taking about, I thought the newer chargers put out 150kwh at each terminal. Pairing won't do much then, right?

Seriously, were discussing ways to slow down charging!!?? :))

casun | July 3, 2019

i bet this terrible problem doesn’t exist at the suburu superchargers.

calvin940 | July 3, 2019

Kathy Applebaum | July 3, 2019
"Try explaining this problem to people who worry that it takes too long to charge on trips. :)"

This is not being helped by the stupid articles put out by the New York Times (L.A. to Vegas and Back by Electric Car: 8 hour driving, 5 more plugged in) because they used the Bolt. Just ignorant pieces like that add to the resistance to move to EV by citing the most inferior of cars and charging for long distance trips.

rpc_in_va | July 3, 2019

@vmulla, what SC is that? For some reason I think you live in Va. and wasn’t aware of any out here yet (though, admittedly, it’s nit like I’m checking anywhere).

BumblebeEV | July 3, 2019

that article was a pain to read

citing a bmw i3 that charge like a snail

so much misinformation

jimglas | July 3, 2019

@casun: good one
wonder what fish has to say about this?

TeslaTap.com | July 3, 2019

Another trick to slow charging is to pick a stall that has another car charging in the related A/B stall. Should add an additional 5-10 minutes.

Who thought we'd be coming up with ways to slow charging :)

ICEMELT | July 3, 2019

Seriously!! we are talking like we are buried under our own weight. Good share so we are now aware.

inconel | July 3, 2019

When pairing:
"Go ahead, you plug in first"
"No you go first"
"No I insist you first"
...

apodbdrs | July 3, 2019

I had that happen a couple of times on my trip up the coast of California; we would be in a restaurant either ordering or about to start eating, and got the message. But, it wasn't really a problem, because there are times when one wants to keep on moving and fast charge from a TESLA supercharger is great. Can't say that about those other folks buying non Tesla EVs, they will be at their non Tesla chargers for a while just trying to get a few miles. Tesla has really thought this out! Love Tesla.

-TheJohn- | July 3, 2019

+2 rofl casun Zing!

jjgunn | July 3, 2019

What does Jaguar have to say about this issue?

CharleyBC | July 3, 2019

With Hyper-Advanced Summon, when the car is done charging while you’re still ordering your meal, it’ll come join you at Taco Bell.

CharleyBC | July 3, 2019

On a serious note, does anyone know whether the new V3 Superchargers (250kW) are paired?

vmulla | July 3, 2019

@rpc_in_va,
Good question!
There's a bit of misinformation that I'm spreading too.
This is Allentown PA supercharger. I was only charging at 140 at peak rate, not 150.
I'm not sure if the stalls are 150s that are doing a slower rate, or 130s that are boosted to 140.
In any case, we know 150 would be faster than this!

Yes, you're right. I'm from Ashburn VA. I'm headed to Acadia NP via Allentown PA to avoid Philly/NJ traffic.

vmulla | July 3, 2019

I'll admit I'm not paying attention to the supercharger advancements. But V3s are 250??!! Damn!!

Iwantmy3 | July 3, 2019

It may sound funny but it is an issue in some cases. A 10 minute charge is time enough for dealing with biological needs. 20-30 minutes allows for a fast food break. However, for a decent meal, 40 minutes is needed. The quality of my meals on these trips will be going down. Sometimes it is preferable to have more time to eat than it is to get to my destination 10 minutes faster. With V3 supercharging, I will barely have time to take care of biological needs.

jimglas | July 3, 2019

charge, then eat

FirstDoyle | July 3, 2019

You guys know regular parking spots exist, right? Either bump up your maximum charge % or simply move the car once charged and go back to your meal. What am I missing here?

jamilworm | July 3, 2019

@first - in some cases the nearest decent restaurant may be several blocks away or farther, that you need to walk. It's not quite as simple as popping out in the middle of your meal to move the car.

jamilworm | July 3, 2019

@first - in some cases the nearest decent restaurant may be several blocks away or farther, that you need to walk. It's not quite as simple as popping out in the middle of your meal to move the car.

Kathy Applebaum | July 3, 2019

Not snarking on those who have problems with the faster charge speeds -- I'm sure the day will come when that bites me in the butt.

But the reality is that new Superchargers can only come so fast, no matter what Tesla wants -- they need to find willing property owners and willing cities. They need access to a decent power supply at a distance that doesn't make construction cost prohibitive. And hopefully they can do all that in a place with enough general parking that they can remove xx parking spaces and not have to do the "30 minute general parking" which we all know leads to legal ICEing.

So to keep us all able to charge for road trips, the only other solution is faster charging to open spaces up faster. It is what it is. I'd prefer an occasional meal interruption if that means the spots are more likely to be available when I need the 15 minute charge to get to my destination.

Bighorn | July 3, 2019

@vmulla
Yes, I was referring to pairing and the second car will still just take 25% with the 150 kW FW.

rpc_in_va | July 3, 2019

@vmulla, yeah, I’m just down the road in Reston. Howdy, neighbor!

cmh95628 | July 3, 2019

This is why we need FSD and the "snake" on the super chargers, so we can have our car move itself while we enjoy our meal...

gmr6415 | July 3, 2019

@CharleyBC, supposedly they are not.

TeslaTap.com | July 3, 2019

@CharleyBC "On a serious note, does anyone know whether the new V3 Superchargers (250kW) are paired?"

They are not paired, but looking at the power plate on the SC module, it indicated 625 kW, and it powers 4 stalls. That means you can't have four cars all charging at 250 kW. Still, the chances that 4 Model 3 LRs would pull in at the same time with low SOC seems rare.

Everything you even wanted to know about Superchargers here in this article I wrote: https://teslatap.com/articles/supercharger-superguide/

Now I can see the new advertising for the Bolt and other EVs promoting how slow they charge: We designed our slow charging cars with the customer in mind. While charging, you can have a leisurely meal, do your shopping and still have time to read a book!

mrburke | July 3, 2019

After reading this, it must really suck to own a Tesla. They charge way too fast.

jordanrichard | July 3, 2019

If your car is telling you that you have 5 mins to continue your trip, that tells me that you are using the nav system. As such it is having you only charge enough to press on to the next charger. Ignore it because if your concern is paying idling fees when done charging, that is based on what SOC level you have it set to.

Neomaxizoomdweebie | July 3, 2019

Make sure you cancel your navigation to the SC so it won’t precondition.

Tesla2018 | July 3, 2019

There is a Wawa supercharger near me. I don't use a supercharger but I can go onto the app and order food at home. Then I start to drive to the Wawa and as soon as I enter the stores geo-fenced area, they start preparing my order. I then go directly to the cash register and pay and by that time my order is ready to be picked up.

If someone needed to do a really quick pit stop, they could pull into the Wawa, plug in their car, order food, go inside and pay, and then walk out and unplug their car and be on the road within 10 minutes

hokiegir1 | July 3, 2019

We stopped at Greenville today. Plugged in and it said 10 minutes needed to reach our destination, which is on the near side of Columbia, SC. Went inside, went to the bathroom, grabbed some snacks from the lobby (it's in a hotel parking lot), and as we were checking out, we got the "you can continue" notice. Max speed on the charger was 631mph. Impressive...and good thing we had already planned a different dinner stop!

vmulla | July 3, 2019

@jordanrichard,
You are right.

I was charging at 600m/h.
I'm typically used to a 40min stop at Delaware before I reach my family in Connecticut. Today that stop could have been 15mins. That's insane! I know the end charge rate also plays into the equation - and that's fine. I'm saying is the offset time between an ICE and a Tesla is now 10mins over a 6hr trip. Numbers, engineering, science and all is fine, but this is something else as it translates to human impact.

jjgunn | July 3, 2019

This thread is useless until M8B & FishEV chime in.

kevin_rf | July 3, 2019

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Magic 8 Ball | July 3, 2019

I like turtles

Teslanene | July 3, 2019

I only charge at the 75kw chargers to avoid this problem, but they are only like 10minutes slower than the 150kw.

shank15217 | July 3, 2019

That's why I only charge at electrify america!

beaver | July 4, 2019

What we really need is Tesla charging valet service. Pull up, drop your key in the seat, jump out grab a ticket and head for a leisurely meal. No big deal if your car only takes 10 min, you can enjoy your slow sushi dinner.

bp | July 4, 2019

tl;dr, but this is a thing! Two moderate road trips (nearly 5k miles in a month) and the only range anxiety I’m experiencing now is how far I can roam on foot from the supercharger before I’m summoned back by a full charge alert.

bp | July 4, 2019

tl;dr, but this is a thing! Two moderate road trips (nearly 5k miles in a month) and the only range anxiety I’m experiencing now is how far I can roam on foot from the supercharger before I’m summoned back by a full charge alert.

vmulla | July 4, 2019

@bp,
Oh! That's what range anxiety means? ;)
Funny!

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To the others who think we're complaining, were not. Just sharing a good thing.

HighlandPony | July 4, 2019

ICE refuel and EV charging times are closer than most people think. Check out Bjorn’s latest EV marathon race video.

https://youtu.be/JJdjqWYi6so

rob.kibler | July 4, 2019

@vmulla said "I'm typically used to a 40min stop at Delaware before I reach my family in Connecticut. Today that stop could have been 15mins."

Yes, and if you are talking about the Newark DE SC, it takes almost 15 minutes to get from the SC to the Food Court/bathrooms and back to the car!

On the original topic, I had to get up from my meal at the Montreal SC at Cote Vertu yesterday to avoid idle fees. I was charging at 142 kW starting at 17% SOC and I had the limit set to 90%.

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