Why do you want one?

Why do you want one?

I've been fairly obsessed with the Model S since I first saw the prototype, frequently checking for new updates, photos etc. The thing is, I'm not a car guy. Before the Model S, I really couldn't care less about cars. If it got me from one place to the other without using too much gas, that was fine. I wouldn't have dreamed that I would be sitting here reading a forum about a car that isn't set to be released for another year. What I always have been, though, is an early adopter. As soon as I hear about some new tech, I've got to have it and have the best one available. I've also always been pretty concerned with the environment and the news concerning climate change just gets worse and worse. What about you? Why do you want a Model S?

Brian H | August 22, 2011

Personally, I think the Fisker is a grotesque kludge. Trying too hard and succeeding 70% at best. Between the 'S', the 'X', the 'Sport' and the New Roadster, I think Fisker is way out of its depth.

VolkerP | August 23, 2011


I am curious what kind of Fisker Karma you would rule as a 100% success? No, seriously.
People on this forum rate hybrid drive trains somewhere between "intermediate solution" (at best) and "complete waste of resources".

Again, what would make a 100% Karma? Price tag < 50k? Increased electric top speed/acceleration? Roomier interior?

What would you make buy one?

(yes, I know one possible answer to the last question: powered by boron :-)

Soflauthor | August 25, 2011

Although I realize that design style is a very personal thing, I've never seen the word "grotesque" (Brian H.. 23 Aug) used to describe the Karma or its design. All extended range vehicles are a bit of a compromise, no doubt, but the Karma was designed to achieve a set of conflicting objectives (green, but no limits on range) and got close to getting there.

The external design of the car is just a tad elongated for my taste, but it is beautifully executed. It is about $20,000 more expensive that it should be, but it makes a definite statement.

As I mentioned in an earlier comment, I dropped off the Karma reservation list because the Model S better executes the requirements I have for a luxury car. In addition, Tesla better reflects the level of service and maturity I expect from a luxury car maker. I'd like to see both companies succeed.

Brian H | August 25, 2011

I guess I'm spoiled by Tesla designs. The Teslas are understated; the Karma is overstated. Deliver less room, range, and speed than they appear to or was promised. I'm not just being partisan; my first reaction on seeing a pic was "Really?! Blech."

And hybrid is now (compared to 'S') always complex kludge. Hooking a mule and a racehorse to the same sulky. ;)

Larry Chanin | August 25, 2011

Why do I want one?

Well, the check engine light came on my current car so I figured what the heck we need a new car, let’s buy a Tesla.

Seriously, I’ve always thought that internal combustion engines weren’t a good idea and often complained that we would all have been better off if Henry Ford had decided to make an electric Model T. I have never owned a foreign car and in today’s economic climate I particularly wanted to stick with domestic manufacturers. At the time, from my then limited perspective, it seemed that my choices were limited to a Lincoln hybrid or a Chevy Volt. I liked the idea that the Volt was a pluggable and figured with my limited daily driving distances I might rarely need gasoline. When I learned that the Chevy Volt received the Car of the Year award I went ahead and ordered one. However, Florida isn’t one of the markets where the car has been released yet so I remain on a waiting list before an order is released to the factory.

During this wait I started looking for more information and reviews of the Volt. That led me to an electric car website that listed all the variants of electric vehicles available or coming to market. That’s when I discovered that there really was a stylish yet practical American battery electric vehicle, the Tesla Model S sedan. As I weighed the pros and cons of the two vehicles it occurred to me that if I truly believed that my daily driving distances all but precluded running on gasoline on the Volt, then it would be silly to drag along an idle internal combustion engine and a tank of gas.

The more I saw photos and videos and read about the Model S, the more I fell in love with the car. Last weekend when Tesla brought a prototype to Sarasota I went to see it and made a reservation.

So now I have two reservations, one on a Volt and one on a Model S. I wonder which I should get. ;-)


Brian H | August 27, 2011

You lie like a rug. There is no "wondering" in your mind at all. >:-p

Larry Chanin | August 27, 2011

Hi Brian,

Yeah, you're right. The only wondering I'm currently doing is which battery pack to get. ;-)


jalesse | August 28, 2011

I need a place to hang my new license plate: FUEXMO

JimBl | August 28, 2011

Why do I want one, let me count the ways:
1. I spend a minimum of 8 hours a week (often 10+) in commuting. I want as quiet a ride as possible.
2. I spend a minimum of 8 hours a week (often 10+) in commuting. I want a fun ride.
3. I spend a minimum of 8 hours a week (often 10+) in commuting. I want a comfortable ride.
4. I spend a minimum of 8 hours a week (often 10+) in commuting. I want a car that will do as little damage to the environment as possible.
5. I want to show the world that electric works, works well, and can look damn good.

Tritium8 | September 3, 2011

i recently test drove a Roadster sport and it was a fantastic experience. Thanks again to the nice sales guy (Austria/eastern europe) for giving me the opportunity at an event for interested buyers.. which i'm not (not enough loose cash.).

1. the design is excellent which stops most petrolheads in their tracks.
2. in the following discussions people think about what range they really need ....
3. they are genuinly interested in the car.

and now comes the big "whammy"
- this was me talking to workers, not the "middle-managment" guys already driving a Prius.
- once these guys get to drive the Model S they will be enthusiastic.
... and i will help them when i get my own model S :)

greetings from Austria

petero | September 10, 2011

I am a car guy. Today’s, cars are vastly superior to our dream cars of yesterday.- They are faster, cleaner, safer, more fuel efficient, handle better ... and boring. I prefer to lease because 36 months is about all I can take .

The Tesla S is the first new car that I am excited about. I don’t just want one, - I need one! I test drove a Tesla Roadster and …wow, like driving a full size slot car. Fast, smooth, quiet…. Electrifying. When was the last time a car was designed from a blank piece of paper with no compromises.

Tesla reminds me of one of my early heroes – Preston Tucker. Tucker’s 1948 Torpedo was a revolutionary philosophy put in motion. Not all dreams fully succeed but I am putting my money on the Tesla S (reservation holder). I will drive my ‘S’ about 85% + of the time and I will use my IC car for those few longer trips. My biggest problem is my wife…when she sees and drives it , she will make it her own.

Besides, made in California, low maintenance costs, no pollution, no mo gas(oline), attractively priced, and a beauty to behold. By the way, you won’t see yourself coming and going like driving a BMW,MB, Lexus, or Infinity.

With Tesla owning the retail distribution there will be no “market price adjustment” to jack up the retail price, and no annoying car salesmen.

ncn | September 17, 2011

As an added point of information, I've been itching to get an all-electric car for several years. The existing cars I drive are ten and seven years old respectively and I've been putting off replacing them until I can get a suitable all-electric.

I intend to keep my new car for ten years or more and I have no intention of locking myself into gasoline for that long. If I were driving a 4-year-old car right now, I'd probably wait to replace it until all-electrics get cheaper. But I'm not.

CIAOPEC | November 11, 2011

I have been an auto enthustiast all my life, prefering to shift my own gears and enjoying the purr of a well tuned V8. However if this car delivers on its promises this thing is a game changer. Its aluminum construction and forward thinking DGUI ( driver graphic user interface) has such a high cool value. The success of this car and the future of TESLA motors will be because this car is the best car out there,, never mind thats its electric, thats simply a bonus. A very nice added bonus indeed as i fully charge up for $6-8 bucks compared to $70-90. How can you beat that?

1) sexy design

2) can't wait to drag race an ICE sports car and blow them away

3) energy efficiency

4) tired of ICE service

5) not having to fill up at at the gas station, plug it in just like my iphone, how much more convienience do you need?

6) no compromises

ronalddhing | December 6, 2011

Law of Diffusion of Innovation. Watch The video and it will explain why we reserved a Model S.

jbunn | December 6, 2011

So like many here, we had some convincing with our spouses considering the size of this purchase. My wife is both logical, and artistic, so the fuel savings appealed to one side and the grace of the exterior appealed to the other side of her brain. Just yesterday though, it was 24 degrees in the Seattle suburbs when we jumped in her car for work. She had to get out and scrape ice. Then wait for the engine to warm up enough to heat the cabin. The defrosters were blowing 24 degree air at 20 miles an hour. I said "hey, you know... you can take my car on days like this. It heats up in the drive before you get in in. Tell it when you want to go, or use the phone app, and it's all warmed up when you leave.

It's the little things...

brianman | December 6, 2011


I find it amusing that you think you'll get the car back after that first cold day. It'll be hers from then on. ;)

Robert.Boston | December 7, 2011

@jbunn: better put in a second reservation now....

NatenOC | December 10, 2011

I am new to the Tesla forums. I am now a proud reservation holder #5,886 in USA. I finally sucked up and dropped the $5k during the Newport Beach open house with the Model S beta on display (I wanted to see it in person first before I committed). I saw the Roadster beta? at the first annual AltCar Expo in 2005. Tesla has come a long way. I just downloaded the Plugshare app on my iphone, does anyone have another worthy site that lists charging stations? I am up for getting on a campaign to get more charging stations on CA. The Model S will be my only and primary vehicle. I will be selling my first luxury care (Audi A3 TDI) for this one.
I have been an enthusiast for a while now.

The reasons for my purchase are (in no particular order): all electric, looks great, fast, low maintenance, and as I am a green building consultant, I want to walk the talk and help drive the green culture. I can’t wait to drive the Model S to the next design/construction meeting and ask the owner if I can plug in the vehicle while we discuss green building options, such as, should we install electric charging stations or just provide the infrastructure for the building.

If Tesla is looking to green their operations, showrooms, or next new building, please don’t hesitate to contact me.


Volker.Berlin | December 10, 2011

Nate, you may be interested in this thread:

Among other things, it refers to an article on Green Car Reports that reviews five charging location apps (Oct. 24, 2011):

Peak Oil bruin | December 11, 2011

Loathe idling, despite MSM perspective that car exhaust is benign. German flagships are old school. I embrace evolution! Daughter will get the Prius for university in 2013.
In Illinois approx. 60% of electric is now generated from nukes, 35% (ugh) coal, 5% other. So it's cleaner (never mind spent fuel rods). Have solar thermal, will be adding Solar World PV.

Robert.Boston | December 11, 2011

@Peak Oil bruin: Unfortunately, the incremental power in Illinois is heavily coal; those nukes run flat out as baseload.

Brian H | December 12, 2011

The coal plants are able to use advanced scrubbing, etc. As for the CO2, farmers everywhere say, "Thank you!"

The Japanese (JAXA) IBUKI satellite has recently revealed that the industrial world is a CO2 sink. All the emission surplus comes from the developing world. We should compensate them.

Peak Oil bruin | December 12, 2011

RB - would consider charging during peak demand incremental, however posit that overnight charging is baseload.

Brian - Sure we've exported the most carbon-intensive industries. How else can all those wal-mart bargains persist? Developed/Developing, it's still one atmosphere. Compensate with a living wage?

Brian H | December 12, 2011

Heh. The more CO2, the better. Unfortunately, there isn't enough accessible fossil fuel to double current loads, but >1,000 ppm would be best.

EdG | December 12, 2011

Brian H: are you admitting to being photosynthetic? I don't think this forum is open to THOSE types.

Andrew18 | December 12, 2011

Brian H
I see tangent never answered but since I have had my Volt for over 10000 miles I can give you the lowdown

Overall a great car. Not the fastest, but very quick. Very quiet, nice ride, pretty responsive. Mine is metallic red, tan interior-quite handsome.

I have a 240v voltec charger in the garage and can fill up my 30+ miles in about 4 hours. It is as easy as pie. I drive about 15 miles to work and have a plug set up outside next to the parking lot where I plug in to 110V. It is fully charged by the end of the workday and I have plenty of charge left over for going out to shop, dinner, etc.

When I go for long drives the ICE kicks in and I get about 45 MPG.

Since we got the Volt we rarely drive my wife's Higlander hybrid for errands and social activites like before. She hardly ever gets gas anymore.

Our electricity bill did not go up-we now use Constellation New Energy (switched from Com Ed) and picked the wind turbine option for our electricity. Since then our bill is actually lower than before. I set the car to charge at 1 am and it it is done by the time I leave in the AM. The rates are really low at that time.

The whole fire issue is terrible PR. There is only a problem with the battery coolant crystalizing after the accident and after 3-6 weeks there was a short and the coolant lit fire. I am not concerned, though Chevy has offered to buy my car back and they have been great with any concerns I have had so far(which have been minimal)

I have a dryer plug installed on the other side of the garage ready for the Model S. It is attached to the same 50Amp fuse as the Voltec charger on the same line. I doubt I plan on charging both the Volt and the Model S at the same time.

I'm happy to answer any questions I can.

Brian H | December 12, 2011

Nope, but I consume same, directly or at one or two removes (cattle, capons, fish, and mushrooms). :)

ncn | December 18, 2011

Brian seems to be a denier. Personally, I'm well located for sea level rise and the collapse of yields on most of our major food crops, but those of you in California... aren't. :-)

Anyway, I know some people who are working on a ridiculously efficient (and cheap to produce) solar panel and a ridiculously efficient and cheap to produce battery (or should I say "energy storage technology", as it's not chemical). The battery is ready to prototype and it prototypes cheaply. Regardless of the behavior of the fossil fuel industries, they will become obsolete for pure cost reasons within a decade; if it isn't my friends' tech it will be someone else's.

I probably would wait for it to be ready -- I expect Tesla to be using it in ten years -- except I want my electric car NOW.

Brian H | December 19, 2011

damn straight. The results (unreported in the MSM, with a few leaks starting to develop) are "flooding" in. Temps, sea level, 'extreme events', etc. are all totally unresponsive to the advertised CO2 forcing. Durban fizzled like Cancun and Copenhagen, and to top it off, the Japanese CO2 survey satellite reports that the developing world produces huge CO2 excesses, and the industrial world absorbs more than it makes.

The science was only ever heavily plugged computer sims, and reality is not impressed or co-operative.

Brian H | December 21, 2011

Bump. Has the options list release changed any priorities?

wddowdy | October 24, 2012

I drive about 100 miles a day 6 days a week. I spend about $550 a week in gasoline. With the Model S I will save $30,000 a year in gas. If I get the standard 85Kw "S" (est. $85,000) my real cost is about $55K. If I keep it longer the car will almost pay for itself. I normally keep car 9-10 years. AND I'm helping the environment. I wish I could get Solar Panels for my home. That would be great.

nickjhowe | October 24, 2012

$550 for 600 miles? Either very expensive gas or very poor MPG. What do you drive? A mark 1 hummer or a semi?

Timo | October 25, 2012

If gallon costs $4, then $550 is 137.5 gallons. 600 miles using 137.5 gallons would be 4.4 mpg. I don't think that even mark 1 Hummer does that bad mpg.

Saving $30000/year with that driving (600 miles / week = 31200 miles) is not possible unless gas is a lot more expensive than 5$/gallon where he lives or electricity is practically free. Using my figures you would get $550/8=68.75 gallons 600/68.75= 8 mpg. A bit more reasonable number, but still quite poor mpg. Definitely not something that you get with premium sedan, so car doesn't only change consumption, but also purpose.

Runar | October 25, 2012

Gas in Norway is $9.50 a gallon.;-)

My main reasons is performance(insane), savings on fuel, and the fact that this might be the safest car on earth. (and the best, coolest etc.etc.)

s_curve | October 25, 2012

My reason is because much in the way that early consumer commitment to the Model T was required to move the country passed the horse-and-buggy, early consumer commitment to the Model S will be required to move the country passed its crack-head like dependency on oil (be it foreign or domestic).

BYT | October 25, 2012

Ant the quote of the day is... "move the country passed its crack-head like dependency on oil"

BYT | October 25, 2012

And, and I want edit pwease?

Osiris | October 25, 2012

I am a car guy, even working in this industry. I buy a Model S because it is more of a statement than a car. It's more than a car to say so. This car will mark the beginning of new area mot only for the automotive industry. And I proud to be among the first aloud to own a piece of history

Brian H | October 25, 2012

Yeah; s/b "move the country past its crack-head like dependency on oil".
Similarly, "payed" isn't a real word; use "paid". English is funny like that. :D