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Why does CR hate M3 so much??

Why does CR hate M3 so much??

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars...

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-3?EXTKEY=AMSNCAR01

Why does CR hate M3 so much??

Tesla: The Model S sedan has dropped to below average, with suspension problems and other issues that included the extending door handle. The first-year Model 3 sedan had average reliability

However, the ride is very stiff and choppy, and the rear seat sits uncomfortably low. The controls are very distracting, since many simple tasks, such as adjusting the mirrors, require spending time interacting with the large touch screen.

Xerogas | October 24, 2018

@doctorsmile: Tesla doesn’t pay to advertise, and also called them on their bullshit.

ron369 | October 24, 2018

CR has been struggling, and seems to rely more on clickbait, and trying to seem important by being contrarian. With the Model S, they raved about it because it was something new, and doing so brought a lot of attention to CR. Now that Tesla is more well known, they do better by trashing it.

IMO, they do the same to Apple.

bcpmercer | October 24, 2018

They call the touchpad a distraction? Shows this is an older reviewer. They cannot think outside the box.

If you love to drive, you love a Tesla.

njchillie | October 24, 2018

Strange, when I read the review I find it a generally positive review, with more positive feedback than negative. I would not interpret that review to be that of a hater.

CR does not accept advertising and purchases their products on the open market.

maztec | October 24, 2018

CR has a few big complaints, right up in the summary:

"We bought a Model 3 with the Long Range battery. Our testers found the Model 3 to be fun to drive, thanks to the superb handling and immediate thrust from the electric motor. However, the Model 3's distracting controls, overly stiff ride, and uncomfortable rear seat count heavily against it."

1) Ride feel. They expect cars in this price class to be floating couches. As a result, they dislike the suspension system in the car and its "sportier" feel. If it was marketed as having a "sportier" feel, they probably would have liked it.

They acknowledge the sporty feel, which ties into the "overly stiff ride" they complain about:
"We were impressed by the Model 3's glued-to-the-road handling and quick, precise steering. The taut suspension keeps the Tesla from leaning when taking corners, and the car's sharp reflexes help it carve through tight turns with ease. Overall, it feels like a well-tuned sports car."

And they even acknowledge that they don't like the sporty ride, they want a couch feel:
"The Model 3's ride is overly stiff, like many sports cars, and it struggles to absorb bumps with any grace. Its bigger sibling, the Model S, has a far superior ride. The Model 3 also suffers from considerable wind noise at highway speeds."

Right here, it's clear they want it to be a downsized Model S:
"The Model 3's ride quality will disappoint many, particularly those who expect it to ride like a smaller version of the Model S. Its ride is overly stiff, partly due to Tesla's recommended 45 psi tire pressure, because it suffers from choppy body motions. Bumps and ruts punch through in a pronounced way that doesn't befit a car at this price point."

2) Noise. I find this one to be totally arbitrary. People hear more road noise in a Tesla. They hear more road noise in any EV, period. This is simply because you aren't hearing the engine all the time, which ends up bothering some people. On the otherhand, some people complain about wind noise -- something all cars have that is usually drowned out by the ICE.

"The Model 3 has a whisper-quiet electric power plant. But because there is an absence of engine sounds, ambient noise from passing cars and road noise on coarse pavement is more noticeable than it is in other cars. With the large glass roof, there's a pronounced level of wind rustle at highway speeds."

3) Rear seat room. I've had friends of all heights ride in the rear seat with most of them saying it is the most comfortable car they have sat in. I literally don't understand their complaint here, but suspect it is based entirely upon raw measurements or possibly measurements from the inner dimensions as given by Tesla.

They must have had someone super-tall who didn't want to stretch out, but instead sat feet flat on the floor knees at 90 degrees: "Those door handles and low stance make getting in the back equally difficult. Once inside, passengers will find the rear seat cushion short and mounted too low. This pushes passengers' knees up into the air and eliminates any thigh support."

4) Front and Rear Access are a matter of preference. Front access is adjustable with "Easy Access". I get the feeling they didn't get a premium model and so didn't have the easy access and found it a bit nitpicky to fit in.

"Some ducking is required to get into the low-slung car."

5) Controls and Display. They simply hate the "stark" interior aesthetic. The reviewer is used to a busy, cluttered dash, and wants to have an independent button for every operation rather than having to go through the central display. This is a matter of personal preference.

They also don't like the doorhandles and they're right, the first few times you get in and out of a Tesla the doors are unnatural and awkward -- right up and until you adapt to it after two or three days:
"Other Model 3 eccentricities seem to be there just for the sake of being different. The door handles are one example: Press on one side of the chrome lever, and then pull on the other side to open the door. It’s unnatural and awkward."

My biggest complaint is the view out of the rear of the car -- and they nail it:
"Visibility is expansive and clear, except in the rear, where the high package shelf hurts the driver's view to the rear."

They don't like interacting with the touch screen and if you only took the car for a test drive and were playing with all the features, rather than settling into pace with it, then it would be obnoxious:
"We found it is highly distracting to use the screen, which, too often, forces the driver to divert their attention from the road. Users must frequently fiddle with the screen to perform common tasks and the text is small."

I disagree about adjusting the mirrors while driving -- I find the Model 3 to be one of the most comfortable cars I've driven while doing that:
"It's one thing for drivers to adjust the mirrors while parked, but it's incredibly distracting to attempt micro adjustments while driving."

"A head-up display would be a big help, but it’s not offered."

6) Trunk space boggles me. I've been in a lot of cars and actually find the Tesla to have more space than most of them, I would have given it a 4/5 only because the trunk entry is a bit awkward.

7) Materials annoy them: "The center armrest feels flimsy, and the front seats' faux-leather material doesn't look upscale enough for a $59,000 car."

8) Common complaints about little things (and some big ones like the media system):
"There is no AM radio, and neither Android Auto nor Apple Carplay are supported."

"There is no overhead container for sunglasses."

"The Model 3 doesn't have a spare tire, run-flat tires, or air compressor, so drivers who get a flat tire must call Tesla's roadside assistance. There's no charge for the service for the first four years or 50,000 miles, but this lack of independence is disconcerting."

They're right about blindspot monitoring:
"Blind-spot warning -- The Model 3 doesn’t have a traditional blind-spot warning system with icons that are visible in the side mirrors. Instead, it displays an image of the car in the center screen and shows images of surrounding vehicles. Red lines are displayed when a vehicle or object is in close proximity. In our experience, this is an inadequate warning system as drivers naturally check the mirror for a blind-spot warning, and not a center screen."

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Summary -- overall they're pretty fair, but they heavily ding the car for feeling sporty instead of comfy at its price range.

chuck | October 24, 2018

Mr. Xerogas suggests. "Tesla doesn’t pay to advertise," But CR doesn't take advertisements.

CR does, however, want to attract attention and saying bad things about something -- or someone -- that everyone else is praising, is one way to literally stand out in the crowd.

But, let's be realistic here. Tesla cars aren't perfect. The S has a complicated suspension system and those amazing door handles are mechanically complex too. And, let's face it, to the uninitiated, the Model 3's touch-screen-to-the-max user interface can seem a bit... well... "overdone," what with wading through menus just to open the glove compartment.

The result, however, of this UI paradigm is an extraordinarily beautiful interior. When I get into "old fashioned" cars these days, I get a headache just looking at the dashboard with its visual cacophony of displays, buttons, knobs, levers, lights, gauges, etc. In fact, one of my greatest criticisms of the Model 3 is that I can't adjust the seat details from the touch screen.

Kikujiro | October 24, 2018

CR is payola. It used to be fairly unbiased but now it just as bad as Fox News.

TexasBob | October 24, 2018

CR gave Model 3 a higher rating than every other car in its category except the Audi A4. Better than the BMW, Infiniti, Alfa, Marc, Lexus, Acura, etc. etc. etc.

I agree that the reviewers are completely old school and what they really, really, really like are old, frumpy, ugly, low-tech cars with loads of switches, knobs, and whatnot. Their HIGHEST rated sedans - in ALL Categories - were the Subaru Impreza and the Toyota Avalon. So take it for what it is worth. They like the grandmother cars and all this fancy schmancy touch screen stuff is just too distracting and unfamiliar to them. My 89 year old mother had a similar reaction to my model 3. "Very nice but too complicated for me to learn all that."

Atoms | October 24, 2018

It is good to have independent reviewers of products like CR. I may not agree completely with them, but they do provide some good feedback. It is actually great to have everyone beating on Tesla since they just continuously improve with all the feedback. That is what is great about Tesla.

My Model 3 is the most expensive car I’ve owned and was never expecting to spend this much. But I am definitely happy with such a great car and hope that Tesla keeps improving every day.

They get beat on safety. They improve safety for customers and workers.
They get beat on reliability. They improve reliability.
They get beat on quality. They improve quality.
They get beat on production rate. They improve production rate.
They get beat on cost, they improve on cost.

Impossible to compete against someone who continuously improves.

Performance in the end will show through negative media.

calvin940 | October 24, 2018

I disagree with most of CR's points wrt to the M3. I find that the reviewer just isn't progressive and is one of those old "when I drove a car in my day, it was Iike flying around on pillows". I say go back to your Laz-E-boy. If I wanted a car to ride around like an ocean liner I would go on a trip.

However I find its more about the media highlighting it rather than CR itself. This whole thing was of course timed to try to take a bite out of the Q3 Report. Uhm nu'uh friends. Last ditch attempt. They should all now start to stop the shenanigans. More and more see through it.

carlk | October 24, 2018

People now can find much better product info and reviews either by real pros or crowd sourced (e.g. Amazon reviews) online for free. CR's old customer base is going away or dying off. It's in a survival mode and will do anything to get that click. Whatever it does I think it's days are numbered.

cbmilehigh | October 24, 2018

CR is independent. They do not hate any car company and are simply giving their views

Magic 8 Ball | October 24, 2018

CR makes money by selling more CR. If "opinions" that diss TESLA sells more CR than "opinions" that praise TESLA they will publish findings accordingly. I gave up on CR about 20 years ago.

earlohm | October 24, 2018

CR has never liked a car that I bought. This goes back to the 80s. It seems they want every car to behave like your Grandpa's family sedan. Still I appreciate their reviews for what they are, but their opinions by and large don't match what I seek in a car.

dkabq | October 24, 2018

The problem with CR's reliability numbers are that they are not based on empirical data, they are based on an annual questionnaire to a select group of people(it's members and subscribers) it is voluntary and does not even require that you own the vehicle you report on(no way to confirm). Questionnaires like polls are based the representative populations and the willingness of people to answer correctly without a bias. kind of like the internet it's all true … right.

I always thought they gathered statistics, I was wrong.

carlk | October 24, 2018

@dkabq Absolutely. It's never real statistics even if it's presented that way. It's just a volunteered response from a selected group of people. Worse is you can't even verify survey respondents really own Tesla. Just like if you read recent V9 posts on the S forum you'd think Tesla screwed it big time.

carlk | October 25, 2018

Consumer Reports is ripping off people and got a real low rating itself.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/consumer_reports.htm

2015P90DI | October 25, 2018

What's the issue here? What did CR say that is inaccurate?

I've been driving one of our company Model 3's for the past couple of weeks. Coming from a Model S, the Model 3 IS very stiff and bumpy in comparison to the Model S. Expectedly so, being that it's a lighter car with no air suspension. I am a little surprised with how stiff the ride is. For me, being I drive a lot of sports cars as well, I actually like it, but am surprised at the stiffness of the suspension. CR certainly isn't wrong in saying so.

Controls distracting.......Absolutely. Everything being on a screen to the side, requiring multiple taps to get to what you need while driving is absolutely more distracting than most cars, including the Model S. This is Tesla's way of doing it. Accept it or don't. Nobody has to buy the car. They're doing it because they think nobody needs easy control of this stuff since the cars will be autonomous. Unfortunately, they're way too far ahead of themselves and I think the majority agrees that it would nice if the car was more user friendly. But again, it is what it is. It's Tesla choice to build the car as they want and consumers choice whether to buy it or not. But again, CR is not wrong.

And finally, having read many reviews, the common complaint has been about the rear seat positions. Tesla chose to have a sloping roof line and to move the interior toward the edges in a smaller car to give passengers more space. With gains, there are almost always sacrifices. To accomplish this, and allow adult passengers to sit erect, the lower seat pad had to be lowered. It IS lower than most passenger cars. Your knees are much higher up than in most passenger cars. For passengers over 5 1/2 feet, there have been many complaints that it's not the most comfortable seating position. The trade off would be to move the seats forward, take away leg room like other cars of similar size do and raise the seat bad up. Which is better? That's for you to decide as a consumer. Again, Tesla chose to do it this way, it's up to the consumer to decide. Can't have everything. Again, CR said nothing inaccurate.

And yes, after driving hundreds of cars in my lifetime, in comparison to any other car, the door handles are a pain in the ass. No big deal for those that only get in their car for work and home. But for those that are in and out multiple times a day and commonly have their hands full, it's a huge pain in the ass. As is having to pull out your phone or use the key card to unlock the doors or open the trunk. Without the phone, can't even open the trunk or passenger door without first going to the drivers door. Something so simple in almost every other car is far more complicated in this car. It's a cute party trick for a second or two, but I'd bet the large majority would trade out the door handles for something simple if they could. Again, compared to the simplicity of the Model S door handles, yes, in relative terms, they are difficult.

At least they didn't mention the lack of a key fob!

billtphotoman | October 25, 2018

I think the may have tested an early version with the stiffer suspension and perhaps more road noise? The early build I rented on Turo certainly was noisier than mine. That being said I agree the rear seat is uncomfortably low but I accept that current battery prices dictate a heavy emphasis on aerodynamics to get the required range. As such, Tesla had a choice between seat cushion height and head room in the rear seat. I think the made a reasonable trade off. As for road/wind noise, it pains me a bit to say this but my wife's 2018 Leaf has a lot less road noise (tire rumble) and *slightly* less wind noise than my model 3 (acquired 9/19). Tesla has some room to improve there and I am sure they will. As for adapting to the UI, I am 57 and found it a piece of cake. Easier than my wife's Leaf actually. For the Leaf, I had to RTFM to figure out a lot of things I could just poke around the model 3 UI and figure out for myself. The only thing on the screen I need to touch while driving is the temperature control and occasionally the wiper speed since the automatic wipers, while greatly improved in V39, still aren't aggressive enough at times.

neal | October 25, 2018

The CR report is accurate and even handed.

I like my model 3 dual very much. . . and some of the "flaws" pointed out by CR are why I like the car.

I love the sports car feel and handling (MUCH better than my 2001 BMW M5, my 2002 Porsche 996) The spartan dash, the quirky door handles.

The windshield wiper controls are just plain dangerous & they need to fix this. The high rear shelf is annoying. The lack of a useful blind spot warning is disappointing.

Would the Model 3 be perfect for an "average" large car buyer? Maybe not. But a nice Porsche sports car would also be a disaster for the "average" US car buyer.

Effopec | October 25, 2018

CR has never been good with car reviews, unless you only want utilitarian. They don't see value in a quick, sporty vehicle. If you want a Camry or Civic, they are fine, otherwise only use them when you need a new toaster oven.

Bighorn | October 25, 2018

Does anyone under 70 actually read CR? I did in high school before the internet.

calvin940 | October 25, 2018

@Bighorn Nope. They provide nothing useful.. Far more (and better) data available elsewhere

ODWms | October 25, 2018

I think the review is fair for the most part, especially when you consider they’re basing those opinions on general, normal convention visa vis “typical” car considerations.

Most of what we’re paying for is the technology aspect. Tesla isn’t putting money into “soft suspensions,” or “supple,” (real) leather, or any of the other things people typically look for in a car of this price range, because that’s not any of this is about.

It’s like attempting to rate a sports car by limo concerns. It’s going to rate really low, even if it is the most exceptional sports car in the world.

If they reviewed it as a long range, all electric, perennially updateable car that arguably can compete with supercars costing 3 and 4 times as much, while being a safe, reliable, daily driver, it would be the highest rated car they’ve ever tested.

andy.connor.e | October 25, 2018

In addition to what @Xerogas said, check who CR sponsors. Check their funding. Who do they support. CR has an agenda just like everyone else.

Ultimately, the data they have is legit, but how they analyze it and distribute it is governed by their bias.

garibaldi | October 25, 2018

I'm not going to talk about CR review itself. I agree with some parts, disagree with others, and some are irrelevant to me.

Teslas are great cars. Futuristic cars. Fun to drive. Nothing else comes close.

But the reliability report does make sense. CR is correct. There's data on it even from Tesla 3 owners. Check the survey results on the Tesla 3 spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hGUj_cw1L6Xv54QfoEMG1iHlI52lcbt5...

65% of the model 3s had "defects that needed fixing."

I do not think those are biased numbers because the spreadsheet was used to track deliveries, not problems.

Despite the problems, I believe what Tesla is doing is still in our best interest. They could've delivered less cars with better quality, but that would let most of us without the tax break. Also, most of us would only get cars in 2019 or 2020 if they did that.

Once Tesla has scaled up and stabilize, quality will definitely improve. Until then, if we want to drive the ultimate driving machine today, we must accept it as is. And I, as a Tesla M3 owner, do.

And you should too.

Magic 8 Ball | October 25, 2018

@garibaldi How is the data on that spreadsheet validated anc confirmed to be from verified owners?

carlk | October 25, 2018

***Does anyone under 70 actually read CR? ***
***Nope. They provide nothing useful.. Far more (and better) data available elsewhere***

The only thing that keeps the brand name alive is the lazy media will always willingly take it hook, line and sinker when it helps them to get clicks. CR knows how to manipulate just like those short FUDsters do.

andy.connor.e | October 25, 2018

And that could be 65% of people they polled had issues. That number could potentially NOT accurately represent the total number of deliveries so far. I wonder if over 100,000 people were asked that and responded.

andy.connor.e | October 25, 2018

This is data manipulation, and data analysis at its finest. You could ask 1,000 people their experience visiting the grand canyon, and all of them could have had a bad experience. Your data suggests 100% of the people who visited had a bad time, but thats because you didnt ask everyone that visited.

I get that taking a smaller sample size can give you a generalization of the larger scale, but its not accurate.

Tropopause | October 25, 2018

I rate CR’s reliability Much Worse Than Average.

Magic 8 Ball | October 25, 2018

CR can't be that bad with all the "science" and "scientific" stuff they do, right?

jordanrichard | October 25, 2018

andy.connor.e +1

kichwas | October 25, 2018

I find the blindspot notice being a car and a red bar in my screen to be perfect.

Mirrors in other cars have blindspot warnings? Maybe this is why I always figured it was a lie or broken feature in other cars I have driven. I have never seen this indicator.

Yet in the M3 I noticed it on my first test deive before I even made it from the lot to the road thanks to a salesman and other customer standing around by the car... I remember commenting on how nice it was to have such a unique feature I presumed no other car had...

I do agree on the difficulty of adjusting mirrors while driving but I have already gotten used to not fiddling with my mirrors and just finding the right setting before hitting the road...

The last time I liked the coverage in CR was before the wee cane out... early 1996...
They were one of the earliest adoptors of “clickbait” to drive revenue. Even if on balance the review of the M3 was good, the headline for news feeds makes it sound like your engine will fall out through the carboard floorboards as you drive off the lot...

garibaldi | October 25, 2018

@Magic 8 Ball That spreadsheet was very good in predicting my delivery day. In my opinion, it's the best data we have for one side or the other. We can keep saying CR is biased, or that the data on the spreadsheet is incorrect, but it's two sources of data already. It's okay to argue that Tesla has the same amount of problems as other manufactures, but you need to back it up with something.

Tesla survives because its customers, like me, love the cars. 91% of owners would buy a Tesla again. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/why-tesla-owners-love-cars-2017-1

Magic 8 Ball | October 25, 2018

@garibaldi Sorry, you and I have a much different idea of how valid data is gathered.

carlk | October 25, 2018

M8B Right. And neither is the Consumer Reports' survey. Anyone can claim whatever cars he owns and do the survey. Even surveys like from JD Power is better because they only survey real car owners. Either way like @dkabq said the only good statistics is what is from sampling of truly randomly selected list of owners.

Even more than that is all pollsters know you can get different answers by how you ask questions. When CR is asking appliance testing kind of questions you can be sure it will not get answers that is useful for a car person.

Magic 8 Ball | October 25, 2018

Oh, and to be more specific. The data you were interested was quantifiable and a gathering of hard facts. There is nothing subjective about "I got my car on 1/1/2018". The data I am talking about is the subjective stuff: "I think it is purty"

calvin940 | October 25, 2018

Sample bias also exists. You may have 1000 people you survey that will give you mathematical backing for your stats, however, your survey targetted the people that have had to take their Tesla in for repairs vs sampling from *all* Tesla owners would give you an inherent bias for those opinions that identified reliability problems. Clear bias that allows for the misrepresentation of facts. The spreadsheet is hooie because it is not acquired in a way that validates the ownership,validity nor unbiased sample segment/collection.

It's frightening to see how people don't understand these concepts. No wonder so many are misled.

rdr1rx | October 25, 2018

Consumer Reports rave about the M3. It's the Model 3 that they nitpick about.

garibaldi | October 25, 2018

@Magic 8 Ball The survey came from the same people that were tracking their cars. Number of defects is subjective, but 47% had at least one visit to service center (or ranger visits). This is from ~1180 cars.

It's ironic that we love our cars so much that we have a spreadsheet that can give us answers like that. Incidentally, years ago I also took my Toyota two times back to the dealership in the first month, but there's no fan base waiting on Toyotas so we can have this data.

Magic 8 Ball | October 25, 2018

@garibaldi I understand where you are coming from and there is some confidence to be had from the correlation of your personal result and having confidence that the rest of the data is real. The problem is in things like "defects needing fix" People might look at that number and go wow, that seems high. But then comes the subjective stuff that is not reflected in that number. How many are nitpicks that are not defects vs an actual factory defect. Base on they hysterics over paint, that I read here, I suggest that many people over react and exaggerate when it comes to subjective matters that bother them.

spuzzz123 | October 25, 2018

CR catering to 99% of its base readers which all chose ice and want to read that they made the right decision in waiting.

ReD eXiLe ms us | October 25, 2018

Consumer Reports has always seemed to rate vehicles of any configuration as they compare to their favorite Minivans. Basically, it seems they expect all cars to be dimensionally transcendental, with more room on the inside than the outside. They want every seat in a car to be as close to a captains chair as possible. So, anything that doesn't recline and swivel at a minimum is declared 'uncomfortable'. They essentially want all configurations of cars to fit every application that could potentially be satisfied by a Minivan, SUV, or Station Wagon.

Also, five years ago, CR was criticized heavily by Subscribers, ANALysts, Trolls, and $#0r+s for breaking with tradition and revealing they too were Car Guys when they gushed over the Performance aspects of the Tesla Model S. Their review also noted that it was, "...the best car we have ever driven..." which raised the ire of people with sticks up their butts even though it was true. That quote struck like wildfire in the media right about the same time that Tesla posted a profit for the first time, that both AUTOMOBILE & Motor Trend chose the Model S as their Car of the Year, the NTSC noted the Model S scored five stars in their crash tests, and Tesla paid back a less than $500,000,000 loan to the Federal Government with interest and penalties nine years early... The combination of all that 'good news' arriving 'all at once' was thought to contribute to TSLA stock going from less than $35 per share to over $85 in a short time. TSLA climbed from there in a manner no one had seen since the much maligned 'Dot-Com Boom Era'.

Some ANALysts & $#0r+s blamed CR in particular for that boost in Tesla's stock (never mind Tesla's Performance by outselling EVERY HIGH END FLAGSHIP VEHICLE IN THE U.S. MARKET WITH MODEL S IN 2013, oh, that couldn't possibly have had anything to do with their improved share price), claiming it was somehow 'unprofessional' and 'unbalanced' to praise such a young company (that was so obviously destined to be a mere footnote in Automotive history after they 'went out of business... any day now...') with such superlatives which were definitely undesrved... A few went so far as to not quite accuse, so much as they 'wondered aloud', if writers/editors at CR had bought stock in the company ahead of publishing the article reviewing Model S. They denied doing so, of course, and methinks they became rather [PEEVED] over time both at the presumption (if not accusation) as well as the realization of the missed opportunity they could have taken advantage of... Oops.

So yeah, CR has a bit of a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Tesla products. They did it to themselves though, by honestly reviewing Model S as what it truly represented -- The BEST Car in the WORLD at the time. They should embrace their initial impression of Tesla products, instead of allowing others to second guess their work with a FUDstorm.

doctorsmile | October 25, 2018

Great discussion I do agree w/ "A head-up display would be a big help, but it’s not offered" I'm going to miss the steering wheel display so//

Any recommendations aftermarket HUD for a phone etc that would atleast show GPS speed?

doctorsmile | December 16, 2018

@2015P90DI atleast Tesla addressed the fob issue... Does the key fob open the trunk/frunk like on the MS? Are new deliveries including them or still backordered?

EM34ME | December 16, 2018

1. the EM3 fob opens the trunk/frunk
2. fob is not included with vehicles, you have to order them on-line at $150 a pop. Still on back order and no waiting list. First come, first served.

Baltfan | December 17, 2018

CR review was alomost entirely on point. Elon acknowledged ride was a little rough and suggested lowering tire pressure. There is a fair amount of road noise, I suspect rom a lack of sound proofing—you can hear cars coming up beside you more than in some other cars. Blind spot warning and wipers could be better.

I expect all fo this but the noise to be improved by software. That is the beauty of these cars.

As for CR being biased, they probably did more for Tesla by calling the S the best car they had ever driven than any other magazine ever did for Tesla. You can also tell Elon respects them since he got to work right away on the uneven stopping distances issue instead of attacking them as is often his instinct.

It is foolish to attack a magazine like CR that does so much to try to keep its independence and actually works to do meaningful testing. Those saying the internet is so much better fail to realize that determine what reviewers are biased and not is nearly impossible. Many claim not to have been compensated and are. Even those that aren’t compensated are driven by page views.

You can love your car, as I do, while recognizing that there are some compromises. I prefer the interior asthetics and love just hitting the minus button to exit the vehicle, but understand how that won’t be for everyone. Same with the vegan seats which I love and never thought I would. But let’s not pretend you couldn’t make this car better. Hopefully, it will be withimproved software going forward.

billtphotoman | December 17, 2018

IIRC CR tested an early build model 3 which had the stiffer springs? CR did praise the handling of the model 3 and I agree with them. As for noise later builds have improved but road noise is still subjectively louder in my August build model 3 with 18 inch wheels than in my wife's 2018 Leaf. Based on what Mazda did with their 6 sedan to improve from worst in class to competitive in class noise I think Tesla would need to add a couple of hundred pounds of sound insulation to the model 3 to bring it up to competitive (with entry level luxury) noise levels which would impact performance and efficiency. So, I am OK with the design choice they made. I am kind of surprised they didn't leverage the fantastic audio system to offer active noise cancellation.

Magic 8 Ball | December 17, 2018

@bill I really don't think active noise cancellation will have any noticeable effect in an M3. ANC is mostly effective for steady state low frequency stuff. Have you used active noise cancellation in any car?

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