...And detox for at least a day BEFORE he goes back on the Twitter?
I am not, nor do I know or have any affiliation with, this "LouisatheLast" person...Her's was simply the only post I could find on short notice that displayed Elon's entire post chain as a single image.
That is Robyn Denholm's job, as set out by SEC, she is Chair of TSLA.
She missed this one.
EM must be spending too much time at home.
"EM must be spending too much time at home."
Or not enough. Perhaps more sleep would be a big help. Working 100+ hour weeks takes its toll.
Elon's tweets have unfortunately NOT been understood by the general public. For those who know Elon Musk's point of view* - what he meant in an expanded version was, as put out by Third Row Tesla user "Third Row Tesla"
“You think i’m just doing this for money, or keep the stock price up and get my equity? That’s BS. I’ve poured everything I have into these companies, and don’t care about anything else. I’ll sell everything I own. And I don’t care about today’s stock price, it’s too high IMO”
“I’m dedicating myself to Tesla and SpaceX. To the Earth, and Mars. This isn’t about me, it’s about doing the right thing. And if you’re going to abandon me for speaking out, or because you need today’s stock price to be higher, Bon voyage. Bon fucking voyage” —
Which Elon confirmed in his laconic way : " Pretty much"
(*) that after starting SpaceX and Tesla, he didn't consider money as important as doing the right thing (recalling that he spent ALL his available resources, PLUS got loans to keep his companies afloat, twice, when they were on the brink of failure) - "When something is important enough, you do it even if the odds are not in your favor."
no one has understood why he is doing what he is doing. or its that the media and stock investors' salary depends on them not understanding him.
@atchen +1000, The Third Row Tesla episode with EM gave me a lot of insight and appreciation for EM and what he is and stands for. Right now we need more people like EM.
@atchen | May 2, 2020 Elon's tweets have unfortunately NOT been understood by the general public."
Ah...Elon's rants require interpretation by the priesthood. Good grief but that's nuts.
Musk has been a nut case Covid-19 denier from day one. It requires no "interpretation", it's just a guy who puts his profits over the common good and working people's lives.
"Early Wednesday morning, Tesla CEO and self-styled futurist Elon Musk called on Twitter for the government to "FREE AMERICA NOW." He also tweeted, "Give people their freedom back!" On a Tesla earnings call later that day, Musk called stay-at-home orders "fascist.". Musk is advocating for behavior that would lead to more Covid-19 related deaths in the US."
Sounds like someone who might be looking for a new job....
"Working 100+ hours a week...", plus, his gf is pregnant and reportedly due any day now so, yeah, I'm sure he's lacking some necessary shut eye and likely due to miss out on even more.
"You think i’m just doing this for money, or keep the stock price up and get my equity? That’s BS. I’ve poured everything I have into these companies, and don’t care about anything else."
"This isn’t about me, it’s about doing the right thing."
"When something is important enough, you do it even if the odds are not in your favor."
This sums up the epitome of much of all that Musk has done throughout his ownership of Tesla Motors to the "T"...I think Third Row Tesla is onto something.
blue adept | May 3, 2020 "You think i’m just doing this for money, or keep the stock price up and get my equity? That’s BS. I’ve poured everything I have into these companies, and don’t care about anything else."
Musk's Covid-19 ramps are entirely about money, asking workers to get sick and die so he can keep his car factory and cash flow going.
"Elon Musk Rants About `Fascist’ COVID-19 Closures As Another Tesla Call Veers Off Course"https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/04/29/elon-musk-rants-abou...
Tesla will get the cash flow bridge loans like everyone else. Musk can keep hiding out safe in his mansion. Workers don't have to get sick and die to build cars.
If Musk really wanted to be constructive he'd setup fast testing, tracking and isolation with pay for his workers, redesign the mfg process to provide distancing, redo the plant airflow, got to shifts that lower concentration of workers. Insist in parts suppliers doing the same.
Musk was being a greedy idiot. Everybody makes mistakes, this was one of his.
I guess preventative measures in asian countries is fake news? Clearly asian countries that installed preventative measures are greedy and want people to get sick and die. love the attitude.
andy.connor.e | May 4, 2020 I guess preventative measures in asian countries is fake news?"
Apparently it is to Musk. Ford and Tesla both have 90% of China workers back but Chinese government rules require testing and different production setup. Musk talked of not such plans just Die for Me Argentian rants.
OK, we get it FISHEV. You hate Elon Musk. So, why are you here in the Tesla Forum? Just to tell everybody that? You are one sick f*ck!
If people want to return to work, i think considering successful preventative measures taken in asian countries is a good place to start. But suggesting that a company wants people to get sick and die is a pretty evil perspective to be trying to push on peoples minds.
@MitchP85D | May 4, 2020 OK, we get it FISHEV. You hate Elon Musk."
Don't know the guy. Do know that his statement that Covid-19 precautions for workers were "fascism" was and is bat shit crazy and irresponsible.
That the rant came as he was explaining Covid-19 precautions effect on earnings and his upcoming big payday was about as cause and effect as it gets.
As for why Musk was irrational vs. laying out how Tesla would apply the Chinese govt. production requirements for Covid-19 to Fremont and Reno plants, likely because his only focus was money.
Fish does not hate Tesla. I agree with him 100%. For the record I have a 2013 85S with 175000 miles and a Model 3 with 60000 miles. Will buy a fully loaded Model X when my Model S is done. Remain a TSLA stockholder and am in for the long haul. I have never sold any TSLA. I fully support Elon’s Tesla mission and his environmental strategy. But he does say stupid things. And forcing workers to come back to work is selfish and irresponsible. I want Tesla to succeed but not by risking the health of his workers, their families and the public at large. He needs to follow medical guidelines. It’s interesting that the climate change deniers are criticizing Fish.
i bet you still havent asked any random thread of your choice in Model 3 section if FISHEV is trustworthy
Hey FISHEV, posting this -
"Musk's Covid-19 ramps (I guess rants) are entirely about money, asking workers to get sick and die so he can keep his car factory and cash flow going."
And this -
"Tesla will get the cash flow bridge loans like everyone else. Musk can keep hiding out safe in his mansion. Workers don't have to get sick and die to build cars."
..are not just mere disagreements with a company CEO. It is a grotesque and hateful accusation that Musk is willing to sacrifice his workers to boost his bottom line.
Only a sick, twisted puke like you would think that way. I am convinced without a shadow of doubt that Musk will do all that he can to ensure the safety of his workforce once they return. Musk as well as a lot of like minded folks (me included) see this lockdown and idleness as being worse than the disease itself.
MitchP85D | May 4, 2020 It is a grotesque and hateful accusation that Musk is willing to sacrifice his workers to boost his bottom line."
It was Musk asking his workers to sacrifice health and lives and those of their families for his cash flow that was "grotesque".
No different than Musks Covid-19 denier status from the get go.
"In an email acquired by Buzzfeed, the CEO states: "As a basis for comparison, the risk of death from C19 is *vastly* less than the risk of death from driving your car home." He pointed out that there have been 36,000 automotive deaths. We assume he means per year since that lines up with the amount of 2018 automobile-related fatalities: 36,560. "
"Twitter won’t remove irresponsible Elon Musk tweet about coronavirus"
That's a straight up lie....for money.
Same as his get back to work rant. Bad science. Bad ethics.
No excuses for Musk, at least Trump can say "Inject bleach...but I'm no MD". Musk doesn't get the "I can say what I want because I'm uneducated and ignorant" that Trump uses.
@FishEV. Don’t bother to defend yourself. You are correct and on solid ground. MItch follows the official line of hIs political dogma without a full understanding of the concepts. And off course Andy is a troll who does not even drive a Tesla and is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Yet he has strong uninformed opinions on most topics including the content of thread. We both question whether he should even be posting. But that is what you get on an unmoderated forum
If you asked "Is FISHEV trustworthy" in any thread of your choice in Model 3 section, then it wouldnt sound like im the only one saying this. There have even been a couple others that have tried to say this. Its really a shame. We all use the same forum. Instead u just keep calling me a troll, and you just wont do it. Are you afraid?
Frankly the Model 3 threads are a cesspool and I couldn’t be bothered to go there. All I am trying to do is have some intelligent conversations here. And Fish has been very constructive here. What bothers me more are the people who disagree with him who waste a lot of bandwidth trying to hold him accountable for what he may or may not have done on that cesspool of a thread. Couldn’t you guys offer some constructive criticism of him on the facts. Otherwise I’m sure you guys may be better appreciated on the Model 3 threads.
Ok. You have clearly chosen. Likewise, dont go around talking about how authentic he is. Because you yourself cannot be bothered to understand his 4 years plus and still ongoing spread of false deceptions about Tesla from more people than the select few who post on General and Model 3. And dont go around questioning my presence on the forums, because you cant be bothered to see my contributions for the last 4 years. You and i can find some common ground then.
Andy I can talk about him being authentic by the nature of his conversations here over the past month and indeed what he has done in the past is immaterial to me. You on the other hand create a whole different impression.
Im sorry you feel that way. Despite not calling you derogatory labels and insulting you directly as you've done to me, i find it odd that im the one who is under question. No matter. Someone's currently ongoing spread of deception is immaterial to you. So be it!
Nice to see TSLA rebounding from the nuclear tweets last week
It is not about the $, and selling his properties probabl;y (how would I know?) about the $, but please refer to the Secret Master Plan or whatever it was called.
Musk is about saving mankind.
We could all have higher ideals.
Who knows, with Musk's $700 million payout, he could open another company. Things might get boring
SCCRENDO | May 4, 2020 Frankly the Model 3 threads are a cesspool and I couldn’t be bothered to go there. All I am trying to do is have some intelligent conversations here. And Fish has been very constructive here. What bothers me more are the people who disagree with him who waste a lot of bandwidth trying to hold him accountable for what he may or may not have done on that cesspool of a thread. Couldn’t you guys offer some constructive criticism of him on the facts."
They can't and don't offer any facts. Model 3 forum is no different than General forum, same people, same lack of facts, same crazy conspiracy theories, same lack of civil discourse, same attempts to censor the forums despite Tesla banning the worst offender, asking them not to do it and changing the forum mechanics to at least slow them down. Gratifying that Tesla sees the @andy.connor.e's of the forums as the problem.
They attack new owners posting about Model 3 issues with the same dramatic rhetoric and censorship. New owners rarely come back so the small group of dregs appears a majority and Tesla Owner's Forums get a terrible reputation on the web.
The strong give up and move on, weak give up and stay. I admit the Tesla Owner's Forum are a weakness that came with the Model 3. I'll move on when the Mach-E is here early next year.
Forums were pretty decent after EaglesPDX was banned but turned to crap again when EaglesPDX returned as FISHEV.
@Magic 8 Ball | May 5, 2020 Forums were pretty decent after EaglesPDX was banned but turned to crap again when EaglesPDX returned as FISHEV."
Ah...forgot their constant name changes and imitating owners handles (as we saw earlier). The original @M8B was banned, posted a long manifesto about it on Tesla Owners Forum and got promptly banned from that forum.
As we see from the spam bots, the Tesla Owner's Forum has leaks so looks like one of delete gang has gotten a fake ID as memorial to the departed @M8B. Mostly over on Model 3 forum where even the delete gang suspect the sock puppet.
Whacko conspiracy theories of a delete "gang" again. Provide a list and how that list was verified to support claims of a delete gang otherwise you are tilting at windmills.
@Magic 8 Ball | May 5, 2020 Whacko conspiracy theories of a delete "gang" again. Provide a list and how that list was verified to support claims of a delete gang otherwise you are tilting at windmills."
@raqball did get the original @M8B suspended and then finally banned recently.. He challenged the sock puppet above to post a fact from the first(?) suspension (there's fair amount of evidence that @M8B was suspended as sock puppet @EaglesPDX, there are something like eight sock puppet @EaglesPDX's by last count) which the sock puppet cannot do so good evidence of the sock puppetry.
Another one that would be interesting to see would be the actual @M8B's manifesto from TMC forum before it was deleted and @M8B was banned there. Another reason for suspecting the sock puppetry we see now.
As with Covid-19, it's always about them and conspiracy theories vs. Covid-19 or Model 3's. They've been bored talking about cars so this is their entertainment. Other Tesla forums don't tolerate them.
The lies and projections continue:
1) No proof of any individual member getting me banned.
2) Only proof of two "EaglesPDX" accounts on the forum.
3) No evidence of a manifesto
Why is FISHEV be so persistent with the engagement of these credibility challenges? It is definitely interesting to who aligns with who and who is willing to be blind to what in order to "pack" with others.
He got his $700M payout by being a total nut case, so expect more of the same.
johncrab | May 5, 2020 He got his $700M payout by being a total nut case, so expect more of the same."
Musk got his $700M by building a car company from scratch and building great EV's and changing perception of EV's.
Musk is not the first great industrialist to be good at one thing and crazy at another. Henry Ford was a big Hitler fan, doesn't take away from Model T or Sherman Tanks.
Musk and Ford don't get pass on the crazy though.
I didnt realize it was a conspiracy to prove FISHEV wrong when he was trying to make the case that batteries store range.
I didnt realize it was a conspiracy to prove FISHEV wrong that Tesla's vehicles have an inferior charging network compared to other automakers.
I didnt realize it was a conspiracy to prove FISHEV wrong on everything and anything that requires mathematics to figure out.
I didnt realize that active facts used to prove someone wrong were conspiracies. Not sure what FISHEV is talking about when he says: "They can't and don't offer any facts.", when FISHEV is the one constantly being proven wrong, or is proven that he is intentionally being deceptive, when the threads exist and are there for anyone to read. I bet he is trying to lie again like that because he knows that SCCRENDO wont go there to check for himself.
@Andy. When are you going to get it into your thick head that I don’t care. I have better things to do than worry about the quirks of posters here. What I care about is quality posts to help us all with our cars and intelligent discussion on “related, relevant” topics. I go onto the Model S fora occasionally but I am the dinosaur there because I have a classic Model S that predated the newer features, But I can still offer some contribution after 175000 miles, lots of early adopter problems and a 7 plus year Tesla experience. I can offer a lot on the Model 3 forum because I have 60000 miles on a LR early model 30xx with FSD. But most people are there just to expose their stupidity and it becomes a waste of time. The general forum has been great for other topics but sadly it has become infested with unsavory Model 3 forum participants and MAGA hatters.
As far as I am concerned Fish provides a quality discussion and I have had no issues with him. I cannot say the same for you or some others. What do you think you offer over Fish. If I was looking to have someone banned I would not chose an intelligent owner with good posts vs an non-intelligent non Tesla driver with outlandish opinions not supported by facts
You are an idiot if you think EagelsPDX adds anything but B.S. to this forum. Even if he temporarily supports your position.
Blind devotion without research, typical.
@SamO. Personally I think his posts are far more useful than yours
I see you typing you dont care. But you care enough to back him up saying hes a good contributor, but then he lies right in front of your eyes and you dont care. What do you really care about? But ultimately, it doesnt really matter to me that much. I just really wanted to clarify that the following is in fact true:
-You dont care about an entire forum section.
-You cant be bothered to know the truth about a user, even though it comes from more than just me
-You believe im a troll and question my presence, while you cant be bothered to find out for yourself
-You defend a user who has an over 4 year history of spreading false claims, misinformation, supporting FUD, and intentionally deceiving the truth and has been proven wrong too many times to count, all under the predication that you cannot be bothered to know the truth.
-You slap users with derogatory labels and directly insult people you disagree with, all while claiming that you advocate against that behavior and that the so called "MAGA Hatters" are the ones who do precisely what you are doing.
-You fight against anyone who you claim to not know the truth and spread false rumors about political topics, but at the same time say that you cannot be bothered to know the truth about a user who actively spreads lies.
I just wanted to clarify all those points. I know you dont care though, because you have never tried to invalidate me by calling me a non-tesla driver until FISHEV started doing so. I am just quite puzzled at the level of hypocrisy.
But as i stated before, it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Just wanted to clarify.
Puzzled as to how to establish credibility to carry out an overall agenda of propaganda? Be woke.
@Andy. Thanks. But I certainly don’t need your help in clarifying my position. I think I did it well enough myself.