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Model X side mirrors solution with camera

Model X side mirrors solution with camera

Dear Elon and JB,

I was just watching the Norway meet online on Teslamotors.com, as i did not have the opportunity to attend in Oslo. I was curious about one topic regarding the side mirrors of the Model x, which was brought forward by someone from the audience. As an idea, would it be possible to have the video streaming image coming from the cameras projected as a head-up display solution on each corners of the windscreen? This would solve a possible space issue on the console/instrument cluster.

Thank you,

Mads Christian
p17356
Model S 85kw, in Stavanger Norway.

holidayday | 11 février 2014

Due to certain laws, mirrors will not be replaced by cameras. Once laws are changed, then cameras can be used.
I know it's a law in the United States, but I am not familiar with laws in Europe.

It's a great idea to have head-up displays or camera angles on screen, but until the technology is reliable enough to replace mirrors, I don't think the laws will change.

trones.mittet | 11 février 2014

Maybe it is possible to mount the cameras inside the mirrors, for then remove the mirrors later, when the law has been changed. Then they could over the air uppdate cameras. Maybe?

Remnant | 13 février 2014

I no longer see side mirrors on the MX presented on this website.

It seems their substitution with cameras has already occurred.

However, I would make them even less exposed, they don't need to extend that far from the body if they have wide angle lenses.

Brian H | 14 février 2014

Remnant;
Right you are!

Cattledog | 16 février 2014

Great observation! On our reservation page they are gone as well. Perhaps this is one reason we have waited so long for the reveal of the final design. Awesome!

ian t.wa.us | 16 février 2014

As cool as this might be, that look is going to take some getting used to. I admit to thinking it looks quite ugly without mirrors. We'll see when they finally reveal it.

Triciawade123456 | 16 février 2014

Will getting rid of the side mirrors make me go faster?? Lol! Looks nice, but yes, will need some time to get used to it.
Having said that... My brother has the infinity SUV who is also using the cameras- he says he rarely uses his side mirrors .... Really????

ian t.wa.us | 16 février 2014

Faster for a given amount of energy being used, yes.

suratchai | 17 février 2014

They have been there since MX was introduce

Iowa92x | 17 février 2014

Elon speaking in Oslo said side mirrors put up a huge amount of air resistance. He compared them to a jetliner deploying flaps to slow the bird down during descent.

Cameras are superior to mirrors in every way, and they are already in place on vehicles like garbage trucks where you can't see out the back. If there is an outdated law demanding mirrors, I hope Tesla works it out and the above X sans mirrors is legit.

Looks great, mirrors are dull 1900s and obsolete compared to HD side-fire cameras with sensors and blind spot lasers.

Brian H | 18 février 2014

5% of total air drag!

Brian H | 18 février 2014

suritachi;
No, the very first MX had no mirrors, then they came back, but are now gone again. Heavy lobbying by TM and others.

Remnant | 19 février 2014

I see two ways of addressing the legal requirement.

First, install minicams in small rear-view door bubbles (not the protruding rods I see on the MX now) as the permanent rear-view devices, along with removable side mirrors that can be discarded as soon as the law changes.

Second, rather than wait for new legislation, request that the MVA regulators interpret the existing law as requiring side rear-view DEVICES, rather than specifically mirrors. After all, safe driving only needs effective rear-view by whatever means technically possible.

bent | 20 février 2014

It would be premature to put in the cameras before you know what the regulations will be like: there's just too high a chance you'll have to change something to be in compliance and then you have to take a recall cost anyway if you're intending to use them.

emgleb | 8 mars 2014

Interesting that the designers chose to use pods for camera mounts and did not incorporate a mount position in the negative contour area already available around the fender flares. It would seem that with the right angle, similar performance would be possible without adding any exterior mounting structure.

In examining the front view, the wheel wells already extend beyond the camera mounts.

Brian H | 8 mars 2014

Get ready: Once the MX comes out, demands for retrofitted side cameras for the MS!

rossRallen | 12 mars 2014

In an ideal world, the side cameras would be cool. In the real world, things break and people break them.

It would take seconds for some evil-doer to snap off a rear-view camera. No one even gives a rear-view mirror a second thought (unless they are really bored AND evil.)

How reliable over the life of the vehicle (20 years?) would these be?

I'd vote for rear-view mirrors as a proven and simple technology. So what if I lose 5% range. Some innovations aren't worth the downside.

holidayday | 13 mars 2014

I agree with emgleb.

Inset the cameras into the side of the car. If you have cameras, you don't need to put them on little sticks that poke out the side of the car.

You know, unless your testing found that inset cameras don't give the full view that is similar to outboard cameras.

holidayday | 13 mars 2014

I agree with emgleb.

Inset the cameras into the side of the car. If you have cameras, you don't need to put them on little sticks that poke out the side of the car.

You know, unless your testing found that inset cameras don't give the full view that is similar to outboard cameras.

Brian H | 13 mars 2014

Or have them pop out when the car is on.

grega | 13 mars 2014

If they inset the mirrors then you can't see the cars directly behind you. Usually you use the central mirror to see those - unless you have a tall person in the back middle seat, or a trunk full of stuff that you can't see through - so the side mirrors do serve as a backup when the middle is obscured.

Unless the central mirror also used a camera? A 180 camera sticking up directly out of the roof above the central mirror like a short cell-phone antenna used to do, showing you from direct left, back, to right.... would definitely be worth thinking about (though I suspect the answer would be "not worth it"). Add a front facing camera to that for 360' vision and you start getting a sensor for assisted driving.

Brian H | 13 mars 2014

Elon didn't even want a sharkfin antenna on the roof, much less a camera.

Remnant | 16 mars 2014

Agree to inset micro-cameras, since there already are logo insets on the fenders.

The view angle would be favorable, as on the front view the insets appear located farther out than the current rear view pods.

Remnant | 16 mars 2014

The probable basis for the legal preference for mirrors is the possibility of component or power failure in the case of cameras, but mirrors can also fail if smashed or yanked off.

A battery backup and prompt parts availability at the repair centers should easily dispose of this objection.

shawkin | 22 mars 2014

The most recent photos of the Model X on this site show conventional side mirrors.

shawkin | 22 mars 2014

These photos are on the reservation page.

nghikd | 15 juillet 2014

Elon speaking in Oslo said side mirrors put up a huge amount of air resistance. He compared them to a jetliner deploying flaps to slow the bird down during descent.
The view angle would be favorable, as on the front view the insets appear located farther out than the current rear view pods.