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Quite price increase and more to come

I found this posted online.

Is it true that Tesla is increasing the price quietly and plans to do more of it in 2014?

Beginning in August, TESLA quietly increased the price for many of the options on the Model S by unbundling many of the features that were packaged together. Among other changes, the “Tech Package” which used to be a $3,750 was lowered to $3,500. However, this package previously included a (now unbundled) feature now dubbed “Premium Interior Lighting”, which is a separate option that cost $1,000. The Obeche Wood Gloss Décor, which was previously included, became a $650 option. These changes along with others increased the overall price of the Model S.

I’m told that TESLA increased the price of these features as it determined the true cost of parts and labor (installation) in its factory. I’m told the 2014 Model S will likely have another set of price increases which is one of the reasons I want to order a new Model S now rather than later!

SUN 2 DRV | 30 septembre 2013

Risquare: You are about 2 months behind on your news.

Use volkerize.com to read many forum threads about the price increases, and any other past topics that might interest you.

PapaSmurf | 30 septembre 2013

Order now to get the $7,500 tax credit for your 2013 tax return.

redacted | 30 septembre 2013

Yes, it's true. Yes, it likely will.

AmpedRealtor | 30 septembre 2013

Wow. Way to be late to the party.

Thomas N. | 30 septembre 2013

Wait, what are they going to do about those of us that want the parking sensors?!!!!!!

lolachampcar | 30 septembre 2013

Come on guys........

Going back to the OP, Elon does not care much for focus groups to determine features so I assume he has a similar disdain for market surveys on price. It appears Tesla is doing real time price sensitivity testing judging by the Jan/13 and Aug/13 price hikes. If history is any indicator, we can expect another round at the end of the year.

Kimscar | 30 septembre 2013

I am betting after the price hikes we had in August that we won't see any more for the next 5 months. None of us of course really know and my plan is to put order in probably sometime in February for a July delivery.
The last hike increased my configuration by around $5000.00.

cfOH | 30 septembre 2013

I'm not convinced that Tesla/Musk is changing prices to better understand price sensitivity among its targeted customers. Rather, I suspect that Tesla is getting more clarity into exactly how much different features COST (both initial installation and warranty service) and adjusting accordingly. And I get the feeling that they're unbundling some packages to better satisfy some customers (who don't want to be forced into a whole set of features) while also increasing revenue to better cover those costs. But it's just a hunch.

T3SLA | 30 septembre 2013

The price increases is what led me to buy a tesla model s.
I knew I would buy one, but I wasn't sure when.
I knew of the January 1st 2013 price increase. I knew of the 21" wheels being dropped from inclusion in the performance price leading to a $3500 price for the wheels.

Then in July of 2013 the $3500 wheels went to $4500. I figured they would just keep increasing the price every few months buy charging more for options, or perhaps even the base price.

This all led me to buy act and buy the model s.

I was happy I did when I saw the August price change. Still, I wished I bought it when the 21" wheels were included in the performance price.

If you're on the fence. History has shown that sooner is better. Unless, you're waiting for the next option..and you'll always be waiting for that next option.

carlk | 30 septembre 2013

I got the feeling Tesla is fine tuning the price structure according to demand. The price increase affected mostly performance models because they are selling better than what they expected.

jat | 30 septembre 2013

I believe they are doing it to get to the target 25% gross profit margin. Probably they have done about as much as they expect to get out of reducing costs and they don't want to change the base price, so the way you do it is by increasing option prices.

@Kimscar - if you had a reservation, it shouldn't have increased at all for you.

philip.jackson | 30 septembre 2013

when is Tesla going to officially announce pricing for Australia? Previous emails from Tesla say August 2013 ....

sergiyz | 30 septembre 2013

jat@
Absolutely.
Profit margin is key since they are still a fast growing company, and require a lot of capital to operate, especially since they are expanding production and are releasing Model X next year (new production line for that too).

mna123 | 30 septembre 2013

Elon target is 25% gross margin by Dec 2103 and no more they can decrease their cost so what other options do they have? Hike price because people who are paying 80-110K wont mind paying extra 5K any way since Model S has become hip.

This is suckers games. But Elon should know he is driving away customers for Wall Street.

jat | 30 septembre 2013

@mna123 - it doesn't appear Tesla has a shortage of customers.

mna123 | 30 septembre 2013

Not yet, easy to sell those 100k cars in Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Miami and eager drivers all over the world in first year but when they get to sell next year and those 30K gen III cars, people will just show them finger and the market cap expects them to sell 300K Gen III in 2018. Go figure.

This is all about "now" cashing out by Tesla. Stocj will be under 120 within next 12-18 months.

Appl went from 700 top 385 when every pundit at wall st. had buy rating with 1000 price target , you think it won't happen to Tesla when highest target in 200-225.

First they screw shorts then they will screw longs. Just like nflx and cmg (check their 1-2 years chart)

mna123 | 30 septembre 2013

Sorry for all typos, I am on iPhone sitting at SFO :)

WayneH | 30 septembre 2013

mna123 makes good points. Great car, great company, horrible current share price. It would be better for Tesla if the stock price had not skyrocketed so fast but had gone up slower to reflect steady progress.

Luclyluciano | 1 octobre 2013

I know I wanted to buy the car but cannot justify the increase here in Canada. As I was researching the car and seriously considering buying, the prices changed. Bad taste in my mouth even though i can certainly afford it, i am not wasteful when it comes to money. On top of the increase, financing is double here in Canada compared to the US and all my colleagues warn me of the pending resale crisis. They believe once the novelty wears, the resale market will tank. This has to be why Musk put in the buy back guarantee in the US market. No such thing here in Canada.
I figure I'll just wait for a slightly used one. Seems like plenty of people who make far less income than I do are buying. After the novelty wears and the real cost settles in its my guess there will be plenty of unloading of the vehicle.

Kimscar | 1 octobre 2013

@jat I believe you are right that the price increases are to meet the 25 percent profit. I am hoping they are there now.
I just don't want to put the reservation down so early for a July delivery. Still I'm torn so while the plan is to lock in reservation in February I might do it sooner. I can live with another small increase but would prefer not to.

Mathew98 | 1 octobre 2013

@Luclyluciano - Are you aware the base price for S60 and S85 remained the same? Only certain options have increase in prices and some packages have been un-bundled in favor of a la carte options.

You should configure the car that suit your needs. Do you really think that other manufacturer keep the pricing of their vehicle the same every year? Are you aware of the 3% - 8% increases from some of other brands between model years?

Regardless of the reason why TM raised the prices on the options, every manufacturer raises prices on their vehicle on popular lines and options on a yearly basis.

defmonk | 1 octobre 2013

It's simple. Since Tesla is production constrained, not demand constrained, they should raise prices. Frankly, the Tesla core market isn't effected by a few thousand dollar price increase. The "value" buyers will soon move to the secondary market anyway, as used Model Ss become more generally available next year.

2050project | 1 octobre 2013

@jat - you're correct, they're really moving towards the 25% profit and they need to get there by end of year. It's no wonder things like the sound package increased so much and new products like the yacht floor command such pricing, they've got to reach this goal soon, by end of year. Although this is old news, I'd expect new pricing options to continually increase, my sig build was actually about $11k more when I re-priced it.

jayhawk1323 | 1 octobre 2013

And don't forget about the buyback guarantee. If they can justify a higher price for the car, then the resale value may also be higher as it is compared to the new car. If someone buys a car for $100k and they guarantee to buy it back for $50k, their resale value will look much better if the new cars are $120k at the time.

mna123 | 1 octobre 2013

One is crazy to buy car at this point. Let's wait 18 months for them to resolve all issues. Let's car hit 30K miles to find unknown real issues.

When the demand slow and novelty factor cools down, Tesla will be selling these cars at discount since they will be competing with used car sales.

And if there is one bad news then resale of these cars could fall down drastically.

Who wants to risk 100k? Not me. No rush, let technology mature first. Just compare iPhone 1 and iPhone 4 , 3 years apart but iPhone 4 still rocks. You can't change 100k car every year unless you are super rich and have no respect for money.

I will wait till 2016 to get real reviews and will buy used car with 30K mile since novelty factor will be off by then and lot of "show-off" money in Hollywood and Silicon valley will be going for new models.

Kaboom | 1 octobre 2013

@lucky
being in canada i had the same thoughts swirling around my head you did. To delay buying now and perhaps land better value with a second hand car...let the novelty and hype die down a bit and see if prices settle....

valid thoughts. However, the other side of the equation is this....the demand is still very strong for this car and prices could very well increase....couple that with the risk that the government rebate program could end anytime.....and the fact that you get to drive this magic carpet now instead of waiting and waiting, and paying gas while you do.

Also dont forget your existing ride depreciates as well in that time...granted, not nearly as much as a new TSLA, but if you are getting one anyways i think the initial depreciation is a sunk cost regardless, except you get to enjoy the car much sooner

AmpedRealtor | 1 octobre 2013

@ mna123,

If it weren't for those who bought the first iPhone, there would not be a second or third or even a fifth. You could extend your argument indefinitely because something new and improved is always around the corner. Why buy iPhone 5s when there will be iPhone 8 in three years with much better specifications?

People who are buying Model S today are people who want to drive this car now. New Model S will never drop in price - when have you ever seen a subsequent year model selling for less than the prior year? Never. Model E (Gen III) will be less expensive, but that's because the product is being designed in that way. If cost to produce Model S is cut in half to Tesla, then Tesla pockets more profit - but we will not see a price reduction on Model S.

You will not be purchasing this car in 2016 oh please! Why do I say that? Because Model E (Gen III) will be only a year away at that point and you will make the same argument... wait for the better, cheaper, faster...

Mathew98 | 1 octobre 2013

@AmpedRealtor - You could tell legitimate potential buyers usually have better line of questions and/or less inflammatory remarks.

How many trolls do you feed per day to fill the quota? Is it the same troll with multiple IDs or multiple trolls working for short hedgies?

Just wait till the next troll complains about the lack of cigarette lighter as standard equipment for a $100k car...

cfOH | 1 octobre 2013

The end of the quarter really brings out the shorts, skeptics, and naysayers, doesn't it? ;-)

It must be horrible to feel so compelled to root against the success of an innovative company like Tesla, especially one that represents such profound ecological progress.

lolachampcar | 1 octobre 2013

What is horrible to me is to watch the market (more aptly, the street) have ANY sway whatsoever on the way Tesla executes and yet it does appear to be happening. There will always be those with a gambling habit and pro-gamblers that make a living doing it. I just hate to see competent operations influenced by clowns.

Luclyluciano | 1 octobre 2013

@ Matthew & cfO,

The topic of the thread pertains to the price increase of the car......

We are expressing the price increases and what we think.

It's laughable that you think a couple of people posting on this forum can affect the share price of the stock . Hilarious! Let's leave it that.

chrisdl | 1 octobre 2013

Wait. What? There's no cigarette lighter?!

mna123 | 1 octobre 2013

Even iPhone is now sold at walmart at discount and you think price of model s wont come down down the road?

If Gen III is 200 miles with a price tag of 30K in 2016, what would 100K model S get me? I bet 600k range. The resale value of 200 miles cars will fall really quickly unless there is guarantee from Tesla to buy these.

And if BMW i8 is offered around 100-110K in 2016 then model S price will go down as well. Don't underestimate German resilience, they are hard hard working and intelligent nation. They have resources and they take pride on their auto industry, they are not GM or Ford.

And if some new models are introduced from BMW or VW for price tag under 30K?

Point is if you are holly wood or silicon valley rich and money does not matter then go for it. I am an avg person, I will wait for 2016 for prices to come down.

And remember if EVs are good and have no maintenance cost then I wont mind paying used car any way ....

Let rich boys buy for now, we will buy later.

There is a reason that used luxury cars are sold at discount.

Another thing, go to ebay and check tesla roadsters, 130k car is now sold for 60K and they have only 5-15k miles and 60K is asking price, I am sure they are sold for 50K. And tesla just made 2500 so there is no much supply any way of those cars. Why would any one pay more than that when you can get base model s for 70K.

If you are willing to buy car for 110K and see its value goes to 50-55K in 3 years, be my guest.

AmpedRealtor | 1 octobre 2013

@ mna123 - I'm not talking about resale of used vehicles, I'm talking about new car pricing. I believe I specifically stated that. Used car values will obviously continue to decline. However, the price of a new Tesla S will never go down, but more and better features may be included.

No, Model S new vehicle price will not be impacted in the slightest by BMW i8 - they are not comparable vehicles by any stretch of the imagination. The i8 is not an EV and goes barely 30 miles on a full battery charge. It is a hybrid and not a true EV. Two completely different markets, you cannot compare.

What you are basically saying is that it's better to buy a used Model S because it can be had for less than a new Model S. Thank you for the unique insight, Captain Obvious! LOL

mna123 | 1 octobre 2013

@Ampedrealtor

Pal, you are mistaken if you think people are buying Model S because it is pure EV. It is a sign of wealth, hip and power for most people, may be now for people here on forum. The wealthy see new toy, they move on as they wanna be separated from herd.

Question is Gen III will cost 30k for 200k range then I want my model S to fly for 100K.

When market of new cars shrink, Tesla having not may models will have to decrease price of Model S to shrug off competitors. They increased price of all options, you think they will be able to charge same down the road?

Tell me what will make you not to buy 30K Gen III and spend 100K on Model S.

George with SacEV | 1 octobre 2013

Waiting for a better price can payoff, and it also can be totally the wrong decision.

IF one can afford something at the current price, and further having it, using it everyday, and enjoying it all that (extra) time rather than waiting is a HUGE advantage.

NO vehicle beyond about $15,000 is anything remotely "practical." NONE of us "need" a $100,000 car, nor a car that can go 0-60 in sub 6 seconds (or 5 or 4.2). These are features we "want/savor" but do NOT "need."

A Model S is so far beyond the completely practical and rational decision levels that it really cannot be weighed on that dimension. Nor should/can ANY car more than something at the entry level $15k price range.

These are experience rewards; these are emotive statements; these are physical objects of beauty and function that can be enjoyed daily. Not everybody can experience a safari in Tanzania, but for those who have, it was "worth the cost." Not everybody has a Picasso original in their home, but for those who do....it is appreciated.

So many experiences are joyous to the soul, but not inexpensive. IF you are one who can afford those "soul enriching" experiences, Tesla Model S included,....Go For It. Life is too short to miss the highs so reachable.

Bighorn | 1 octobre 2013

@mna123
Are you familiar with the concept of "sour grapes" because if they need a poster child, you're a shoo in.

TSLAholic | 1 octobre 2013

Anyone who thinks that Gen III would somehow undermine the value of pre-owned Model S cars is failing to understand what exactly will be available for the starting price of 30-35k. Basically, the goal of a $30k Gen III is the equivalent of what a $50k Model S was to be. Think about the base Model S, then recall Elon's comments about "having fewer included features" in the base Gen III to keep the starting price down. Most of us were scratching our heads trying to see what else could be cut from the already rather plain base Model S that could constitute a base Gen III. So by the time a Gen III gets anywhere close in features to what a nicely loaded Model S is now, the price tag will most likely approach ~$75k. Model S offers ~$57k in high margin optional features*! Why on earth would Gen III not have optional features* such as: a longer range battery, performance package, panoramic roof, etc.? Elon only said that the car's base price would start with around 30-35k. It is only wise to speculate that a new Gen III would have to be pretty loaded with options to be roughly in the same price range as a pre-owned loaded Model S.
Does a new 2013 E Class really undermine the value of a pre-owned 2009 S Class? Think: Different market segments.
Ok, class... So the question is, if maintaining margins with Gen III will be crucial, can anyone tell us a great way to make sure the vehicle is profitable? Anyone? Hint: Look to the stars :)

Brian H | 1 octobre 2013

mna;
Whatta load.

BTW, if the Mod E cannibalizes and eliminates the Mod S market, that would harm TM not at all. The Mod E is where it's intending to go; the Mod S is just the means.

mna123 | 1 octobre 2013

@Bighorn, please grow up.

@Brian H. thanks for your reply, I am trying to understand EVs. You think 30-35K could have 25% gross?

mna123 | 1 octobre 2013

@gparrott@csus.edu

Best possible explanation. Thanks.

But not all of us are sitting on spare 100k, a car is a big investment for most of us so we want to make a best decision and if I spend 100K on car then I want to make sure it is correct decision financially.

Ralph_G | 1 octobre 2013

gparrott@csus.edu

"So many experiences are joyous to the soul, but not inexpensive. IF you are one who can afford those "soul enriching" experiences, Tesla Model S included,....Go For It. Life is too short to miss the highs so reachable."

Life is too short! Since 2005 I've wanted a Tesla but the price always seemed too rich. I was spending $2k a month in fuel. I was one day away from buying an MKZ hybrid at half the price of an MS. My father passed away that night, it taught me that life is too short.

We all have our own predictions of what the future holds for Tesla, I wrote my cheque in support of them along with nearly 20,000 others. Management was smart enough to build the car, I think management is smart enough to run the business.

Good health

TSLAholic | 1 octobre 2013

BTW, if the Mod E cannibalizes and eliminates the Mod S market...

And even if it did (which I doubt), the benefits would include the brand no longer being accused of building "toys for the rich".

J.T. | 2 octobre 2013

@mna123 You said and if I spend 100K on car then I want to make sure it is correct decision financially.

I can't believe that it's ever the correct decision financially. Buffett buys used cars. Go with that mindset. Buying a 100,000 car is an emotional decision. You want it, you earned it, you love it . . . it's never you need it.

Mathew98 | 2 octobre 2013

@jtodtman@gmail.com - "You want it, you earned it, you love it . . . it's never you need it."

I disagree.

I need to floor it every chance I get. I need to drive it like I stole the dang beast. I need to drive the MS more often than talking to the wife. I look forward to the next thrill ride after a long day from work. And yes, I need to relax by leaving all the noisy, smelly ICE boxes in the dust...

Got it? ;0

J.T. | 2 octobre 2013

@Mathew98 Thanks for the laugh!! I stand corrected.

hpatelmd | 2 octobre 2013

I doubt you would be as well protected in any "practical" $15,000 car. I might not "need" my MS, but very much enjoy driving probably the safest passenger car on the road today.

lolachampcar | 2 octobre 2013

mna123
I'm sorry the MS and its price rubs you sooooo far the wrong way.

As for the whole one model poaching sales of another, BMW, MB and Audi have sure figured out how to sell into different segments. And yes, the Seven Series or A8 or S Class do depreciate faster than their siblings. However, that rate of depreciation has declined as the demand for used increases. There was a time when you could hardly give away a four year old Seven Series and now they hold their value reasonably well. Unlike BMW and the Seven, there is a long line for depreciated MS' as indicated by even your comments. This will help to stem depreciation.

The above being said, all it takes is ONE little problem that Faux Knows can jump on and values will fall. If you are looking to risk of ownership, that is the elephant in the room.

As one poster said above, I too and betting on good competent engineers and management.

AmpedRealtor | 2 octobre 2013

@ mna123 - Perhaps you should stop extrapolating your personal sense of bitterness and cynicism to be true for "most of us", as you keep aligning the majority of customers with your particular views. If anything, the responses here have shown you that the people who buy this car think nothing like you. Thank goodness for that.

bradslee | 2 octobre 2013

@AR,

+1

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