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Anyone else glad they are not getting one of the first model x vehicles?

Anyone else glad they are not getting one of the first model x vehicles?

I'm reservation number 14000 something- I'm actuslly debating delaying my slot another 6 months or so. I'm looking at the model s forums and there seem to be issues with the model d. Quite a few issues. It seems tesla rolled out the d a bit incomplete. What are the chances they do the same to the model x? Or after 2 years of delay you think they figured it out how to build the car with no issues?

Napoleonblownapart | 1 Janvier 2015

You ought to delay your slot by another 12 months at least. Then you will be assured of getting one of the good ones.

timf2001 | 1 Janvier 2015

I was looking forward to not getting one of the first ones, but with all the delays my options are being narrowed down to getting one of the first ones or not getting one at all for now. When I leased my current car for 2 years in November 2013, I expected Model X deliveries were going to start about a year later. This would mean there'd be a full year of production before mine would be built. That was later whittled down to 6 months when they delayed until Q2 2015, but I still thought my reservation would be called a couple months before I was ready to allow for a small buffer.

With the most recent delays it looks like I'll need to take the first available delivery date and even then I may need to extend my lease or make temporary arrangements. It may be a bit premature to be thinking about those things, but more time passes without concrete information, the greater the likelihood becomes and the more I consider potential alternatives.

cliffmccormick | 1 Janvier 2015

I think alot of the delays/updates/over-air improvements etc...happening for the D are laying the groundwork for a smooth Model X roll-out.

I think Musk/Tesla know that there is alot riding on the X...because after that platform/model is out...its basically an infrastructure and refinement ramp until Model 3...which would we about a 2 year gap between major releases.

The X is going to be the..."its not a fluke and this tech is ready for prime time car" its going to be very important for Tesla and the future of EVs...setting the stage for a successful 3 down the road.

So, given the magnitude of import, I say, take all the time you need...but get it right. And Elon has said that's the approach he'd like to take...forgo short-term gain/accolades for the long-term goal....people can complain and nitpick all the want (and they will, regardless of how good a design is)...but if they get the X right....it will cut through all the static.

The thing of primary importance is that they execute; deliver a game changes E-SUV. Prove Tesla is a company that CAN. And credence follows.

aljjr2 | 1 Janvier 2015

Things to consider
1. The D platform, on which the X is based is the same.
2. All the mechanical portions are the same as the "S"
3. The moving parts are minimal
4. The electronics are being/will be tested in the S
5. The initial seats will be better--Potentially upgraded as D
6. Paint and body components are tested.
7. The Falcon wing door are new technology--Only negative I can think of.
8. May have LTE (ATT is moving off 3G).

Basically, I think one has to weigh the pluses and exposures and make a decision.

There are a lot of timing decision that affect each individuals. For me the delay only means that my paid for SUV will be a little older. So not all bad. Glad to see TESLA taking a little extra time for what ever "new" components will be.

socalsam | 1 Janvier 2015

I understand that a lot of the x tech is based on current model s and model d platforms but it also seems that with each release of the cars- there have been significant issues with early models. History tends to repeat itself.

Will see how the next few months shake out and will decide on how to proceed.

David Trushin | 1 Janvier 2015

I would be inclined to think that any issues other than x specific hardware are being resolved with the d. So you should be comfortable getting any of the x models coming out this year.

socalsam | 1 Janvier 2015

I hope so David but at this point, it seems that waiting 6 months or so allows them to work out the initial gremlins that have plagued each release.

georgehawley.fl.us | 1 Janvier 2015

Except for the obvious issues that will attend the introduction of falcon wing doors, the MX should be the most glitch-free Tesla in history when it first rolls off the assembly line in 6 months or so. Virtually the entire mechanical, electrical, electronic and software guts of the car will be field proven. New body with goofy doors is all that is new really. I'd be delighted to take the first non-signature, non-performance model off the line. Anybody want to trade for reservation 9378?

jjs | 1 Janvier 2015

I have Sig reservation 631. I own a Model S, VIN ......3082. My car, although not a sig. was a very early production model AND was delivered around the year end rush of 2012. That was back in the day when Tesla was trying to make a qtr/ye number. My car HAD (please note past tense) a number of issue both large and small.

I would gladly move up to X Sig 1 if I could. Here is why.

Although my car had a number of issues ALL, and then some, where fixed professionally, cheerfully and completely by a service department that cares about you and your car. To get a car that did not have at least some of these issues I had I would have had to wait another year. For me that would have been a bad trade off.

I expect early productions Xes to have some issues. I will gladly accept that becasue of the unparallelled service, the quality of the ride, zero emissions and safety. (I really don't want my wife and children in a car that is not as safe as it can be.)

Everyone has their own tolerance for new car issues. My S has never left me stranded. The issues I had were all scheduled and almost all were done at my home or work with very little disruption to my schedule.

Wait if you want/need to. For me it would be a bad trade.

David N | 1 Janvier 2015

georgehawley.fl.us ......

+1

aljjr2 | 1 Janvier 2015

it seems socalsam has his mind made up.... that is fine.

NumberOne | 1 Janvier 2015

I am glad that I hold a relatively early number. It is late enough for me to be one of the first, yet any minor kinks that may show up before I get mine will already have been addressed. This is the exciting part of the wait, because we will soon be seeing a lot more information. I do not mind waiting a little bit longer, and the only thing that will maybe be worth an upgrade is #1, which I am sure the Adelmans will not be trading! What I did manage is to get a Model X plate. There can only be one (in every state).

David Trushin | 1 Janvier 2015

See, now i have car 3446, delivered jan 26, 2013 and have had few, minor only, problems, all fixed quickly and free. What, me worry?

TeslaFanz | 3 Janvier 2015

How do you find out your signature reservation number? I don't see anywhere on my order where it lists which number I am

TeslaFanz | 3 Janvier 2015

Oops please disregard my post...when I first ordered the X it wasn't there...must have taken a few days to update. I'm number 783 in Signature.

primetime98 | 8 Janvier 2015

I'm number 911 for Signature X and can't wait. My one disappointment is that it looks like the car will probably have the traditional side mirrors instead of the early prototype cameras. I haven't heard anything that this will get approved soon, but I imagine it could get approved shortly after production starts but too late for Sig X holders and early production holders. Either way I'm excited for the X to arrive!

Remnant | 13 Janvier 2015

Unless they will have a large number of Betas to drive over a few thousand miles each, we should expect the first couple of thousands of MX's to have a slew of probably minor problems, but I trust Tesla will make great efforts to resolve them quickly.

As to the mirrors, if Tesla has already placed the cameras as fender or front door insets or low profile nipples or aerodynamic risers (like in VW's XL1), the mirrors can probably be easily removed. In fact, Tesla could mount them as easy to dismount items.

Here is a link for the XL1 gallery I've visited (photo #21 shows the side-view camera):

http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/2014-volkswagen-xl1-first-driv...

brad | 13 Janvier 2015

@Remnant...

Thanks for posting the link for VW's XL1. I had not seen that before. Photo # 32 shows the monitor on the driver side door for the mirror.

My order # is just below 14,000 (my RN is a little below 468000). I am willing to move up. That way when my wife steals my S85D I won't have to drive her Acadia.

Sin_Gas | 21 Janvier 2015

Its easy to focus on the design factors when thinking of problems, but when transitioning from a handful of prototypes to full scale production, things change. Each supplier will be ramping up volume, making changes to accomplish that. The seats may be on a new line at the supplier from the old seats. The process is more important than the design drawings, and getting this all correct seems to only be done via volume. You see problems in the 1000th unit that you never saw in the first 999. Then new suppliers come on line to increase the volume. Suppliers go out of business. Then there is the price pressure.

Its quite an interesting process that I experienced in 40 years of Advanced Development, Development, Engineering, Manufacturing Engineering and Concurrent Engineering.

When you think about it, I think Tesla only had issues with the seats/air bags we are led to believe. They had no way of knowing the EPA 5 day cycle was going to be implemented. They should have had the "sleep" mode software ready for launch. The product planning to decide which models get the D, Exec Seats, New Gen Seats, and keeping the line going once the supplier problem with the original seats could have been handled better.

Sin Gas

georgehawley.fl.us | 21 Janvier 2015

@Sin Gas: Now you're freaking me out. I thought JIT manufacturing had been perfected by now with parts and modules dribbling off the supplier conveyor belts into Tesla boxes as needed. I thought project management software had been perfected to identify all critical path elements to be addressed in a timely way. I thought Santa Claus would bring me a shiny new Tesla. I have to find another way to kill time...

jjs | 21 Janvier 2015

Now your are just being silly george. Sant Claus, ok, but project management software perfected? By whom? The Easter Bunny?

jjs | 21 Janvier 2015

Santa Claus even

Brian H | 22 Janvier 2015

Yes, deliberately silly to drive home how fantasmigorical perfect critical path and bulletproof FIT really are. Man plans, God laughs.

Brian H | 22 Janvier 2015

err: phantasmagorical

ian t.wa.us | 22 Janvier 2015

Wow. Can't believe Brian H. missed it. Your are? Should that be a You're? ;-)

georgehawley.fl.us | 22 Janvier 2015

OK. I give up. What does FIT mean?

vandacca | 22 Janvier 2015

I think FIT is just a dyslexic JIT.

Brian H | 22 Janvier 2015

Feed-In Tariff, payments by utilities for power to the grid. I meant JIT, but my fingers didn't get the message. ;p

jjs | 23 Janvier 2015

@ian - Yep, I saw that as I hit enter. Thought it would get jumped on. Free pass. Good day.

ian t.wa.us | 23 Janvier 2015

Thanks for the softball! ;-)

jjs | 23 Janvier 2015

Any thyme.

georgehawley.fl.us | 24 Janvier 2015

Mclary is an idiot for not giving this thread a head slap...

Brian H | 24 Janvier 2015

TM's production line is too small still to keep up with MS demand and add the MX. Wait for the second line.

David Trushin | 26 Janvier 2015

Op needn't worry. It looks like no one will be getting one of the first modek x's.

the bonnie | 26 Janvier 2015

I'm Sig #2 and have not considered waiting for a later production version - for reasons that have already been stated here.

My experience as a Roadster owner tells me that IF there are problems, Tesla will do whatever they need to do to make it right. Besides, the first Signatures off the line will likely be subject to far more inspection than any other Model X they make subsequent to that.

No qualms. Just give me my key fob. I'm good to go.

jjs | 27 Janvier 2015

+1 bonnie1194 I'm 629 behind you.

Lucythesplainer | 31 Janvier 2015

I just ordered online yesterday at 0400, my # is in the mid 15000s. As I live in Iowa, hundreds of miles from the nearest service center, I am very happy to wait for a later production unit. This will be my only transpo, so don't want to be stranded for a week each time a bug gets fixed.

Maybe by the time I get my car, more service centers will be open, more Superchargers will be built, and obstructive legal issues will be resolved. It sucks to be in the fly over states sometimes.

jjs | 1 février 2015

Lucydbrown - I think you have made a wise choice. I am from Nebraska and have owned an S for a little over 2 years. I am getting a very early version of the X but I do have alternate transportation. Even though Tesla service has been outstanding they have had to flatbed my early production S to Mpls a few times. Without readily available alternatives it would have been a small hassle. They do offer, however, a loaner each time they come to take your car. Just didn't need it, and it would have been a bit of a hassle to get the loaner.

Guessing you will be getting your X around May of 2016. By then you might have a supercharger or two in your state, but would not count on it. As for service centers, that is even more unlikely by then. So for your situation I think a later production car makes a lot of sense.

georgehawley.fl.us | 1 février 2015

I have this idea that Elon will land in Nebraska or Iowa some day, thinking he was going to Mars. He will be delighted to see human beings and experience unpolluted air. He will note the absence of Superchargers and Service Centers and will order up the materials for building them. Unfortunately, Spacex will mistakenly deliver them to Mars where by the way Tesla is allowed to establish showrooms, unlike Iowa where the Model X will have to be redesignated as a Winnebago before it can be sold there.

Martians will eagerly await the arrival of the first Model X vehicles that will drive on Mars as well as on earth or better due to reduced air resistance and weight unlike ICE cars, as long as they stick to the canal routes. But they will have to wait a long time, having failed to figure out how to reserve them using Apple pay.

Ooh, that reminds me. I'm think I need a root canal.:-))

jjs | 1 février 2015

@george As I was reading your "thoughts" I expected it to end something like this: ".....and finding no intelligent life there he returned to California bemoaning the fact that turning it into a habitable place was simply not possible. It seems it was more of a fixer-upper than he could have imagined."

Brian H | 1 février 2015

Whew. Eveyone has one, but others' smell worse.

Brian H | 1 février 2015

typo: Everyone ...

nelsonc | 3 février 2015

I have a signature on order and cannot wait for it. I want to get rid of my ice 7 passenger 4x4 asap.

Lucythesplainer | 4 février 2015

Service from out of town like you S owners describe sounds like a dream come true. I bought a Mini before we had a local dealer in Des Moines, had to drive to KC or Minneapolis for every oil change or repair. Thanks for all the encouragement!

sbeggs | 5 février 2015

very interesting forum name, @Lucythesplainer!

Red Sage ca us | 5 février 2015

AKA: LucySplainin'ToDo...?

;-)

Lucythesplainer | 5 février 2015

@Red: I am a hospital pharmacist, I am always 'splaining things to my nurses when they call me for missing doses or with other questions. Name just seems like a natural...

ian t.wa.us | 5 février 2015

Great name indeed! Welcome!

sbeggs | 5 février 2015

@lucythesplainer,

True to form, you explained it well!

It is worthy of immortality (of sorts) in the forum name thread.

Thank you!

jjs | 5 février 2015

OK Lucy, splain me this. When will we get real info. on the X?
O, and welcome to the forum.

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