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Have you looked at the front of X recently?

Have you looked at the front of X recently?

I mean look at photo/video of the car of course. Somehow it looks much better than when I first saw it even though I thought that was pretty nice. I did not think too much of the white front before but even that lookes very sexy to me now. I wonder if anyone feels the same way as I do.

Red Sage ca us | 19 novembre 2015

I liked it to start, I like it even more now. Every time a I see an AUDI, Porsche, or Volvo SUV, I'm that much happier about the Model X front end.

Ankit Mishra | 19 novembre 2015

I liked it from the start too. Its beautiful and innovative/futuristic. I liked white the least and thought only white S >white X, but now all X > all S.

Remnant | 19 novembre 2015

@ carlk (November 18, 2015)

<< ... it looks much better than when I first saw it. >>

When compared with the ridiculously oversized and unnecessary blotch of a grille on many of the newer car models of ICE cars, MX' fascia does look elegant and nimble.

adamgreen | 19 novembre 2015

I'd say the design of the X front slips backwards from the S, over the line from minimal or aerodynamic to uninspired and unfinished. I subscribe to the guidance that design must do the job, and it should polarize without leaving the audience unmoved. With I am moved to physical discomfort at the visage of Lexus and some other garish, incomprehensibly childish facades on otherwise unchanged vehicles for 2015 and 2016.
Let's just be very thankful to everyone with a pencil or stylus at Tesla for not creating this:
http://icdn1.digitaltrends.com/image/2016-lexus-rx-front-angle-970x546-c...
Subjectively, as a 'waiter' in the 300's of normal production, and seeing that as of today, waiters in the 500's of Signature build cars have been notified of December build timeframes, I'm all the more anxious in anticipation of getting at least a few winter months in the X. If I were to draw a hard line and say "no" to the car based on any of the (far too numerous) shortcomings of this "version 1.0" then I'll be driving a Prius and a Cayenne ... perish the thought!

adamgreen | 19 novembre 2015

hideous visage:

Red Sage ca us | 19 novembre 2015

adamgreen: +1 Yes. I agree that egregious displays of faux chrome and laced grillework such as this are the precise reason why Tesla Motors chose to go the opposite direction entirely. I disagree with the verdict of an 'unfinished' result, though.

madodel | 19 novembre 2015

Is that the RX350? My wife has a 5 year old one that she has grown to like, but if this is the new styling I can rest assured that her next car won't be one. Not as ugly as an I3, but man that is scary looking. What were they thinking? Hopefully her RX350 lasts until the Model Ξ arrives. A high end Model Ξ would be sweet with dual motors.

carlk | 19 novembre 2015

Some designers forgot the best design is always function over form even though form is what people recognize first. BMW or Mercedes didn't intentionally make grille of their cars to look different people just tied those looks to good cars they are. I have no idea why Lexus and Acura don't realize that and thinking they have to make those ridiculously looking front to make their cars to stand out.

MrBuffer | 19 novembre 2015

I did not like the front very much when it first came out, but it is growing on me. It's the inside of the car that you see the most, that is where I really want to see the beauty.

oragne lovre | 19 novembre 2015

I liked its front when I first saw it. I'll look at it again to validate my first impression when the X becomes available in a Tesla showroom . IMHO, beauty lies in simplicity.

aesculus | 19 novembre 2015

All during the reveal I kept thinking it looked unfinished but it's been so long I must admit I have lost my opinion now and will need a refresh.

MikAo | 20 novembre 2015

Cheers, MS facelift coming?

http://www.imageno.com/xoi2eubvzou0pic.html

Iowa92x | 20 novembre 2015

Plastic nose cone on the S has gotta go, the X front is clean and shexy.

Auto P85 | 20 novembre 2015

I like it, but my question is, how will it hold up regarding rock chips? I asked because the white front portion in question is the exact area that takes the most rock chips. Currently with my S rocks primarily hit where the black nose cone is or they hit off to the side and the chips are mixed in with other grill work etc (I have three right now, not that I am counting ;). On the X, the front end is to clean and consistent (all smooth white without varying surface) and that makes me worry that all of those chips that are not so noticeable on my S will show up like a sore thumb on the X. The reality is the front is not as protected as the side of the car or even the front hood, it takes the vast majority of impacts.

Thoughts?

I still like the clean look of it, this has only to do with keeping it looking beautiful. Talk about a reason to have the front end coated with some type of protective film....

Red Sage ca us | 21 novembre 2015

OPTIONS:

Red Sage ca us | 21 novembre 2015
Red Sage ca us | 21 novembre 2015
Gwgan | 21 novembre 2015

Audi (and others) more like "autorhea"

oragne lovre | 21 novembre 2015

@MikAo,

The S looks more elegant with that facelift, doesn't it?

Madatgascar | 22 novembre 2015

The expanse of body color plastic could stand to be broken up. In the interest of form following function, what about adding a tastefully shaped bumper, attached to the frame and designed to absorb impacts up to 20mph? Could save a lot of aluminum repair jobs.

AlMc | 22 novembre 2015

I like the look of the X nose. I will like it a lot more when I see one in my driveway.

Red Sage ca us | 22 novembre 2015

tbouquet: None of the German SUVs I posted photos of above has a bumper at all. The front of them are covered with vents, and grilles, and intakes. They are entirely 'broken up', making some of them absolutely hideous. None of them are particularly aerodynamic at all. Please either present a photo of a car that has what you consider a proper bumper, or make a drawing that depicts what you feel the Model X should look like instead.

MyXinTx | 22 novembre 2015

Lexus has absolutely ruined the nose on every one of it's SUV models...

I still like the Cayenne, although I will gladly replace mine with my MX sometime next year...or whenever...

Madatgascar | 22 novembre 2015

Red Sage - it's been a while since I have seen a car with a proper separate bumper, and I'm no good with Photoshop. They did away with the bumper in favor of the clean continuous body color plastic fascia. Now, when you get in an accident, it affects the plastic fascia, the aluminum hood, the headlights, sensors, and if there is any sideways vector the fascia tweaks the side panels out - you're looking at lots of money and time in the shop for the simplest accident.

Tesla could take advantage of the EV architecture to connect a bumper to the inertial mass of the frame and battery pack, though big long shock absorbers on either side of the frunk that dissipate impact energy. Then they could advertise that not only are they the safest car/ SUV, but that the cars can sustain impacts up to X mph without damage.

I imagine this to be at the level of the protuberance just below the X's nose. It may not change the lines as much as the materiality, and could give some rationale to what appears to be a lot of arbitrary sculpting.

Madatgascar | 22 novembre 2015

For those who don't remember bumpers:

Red Sage ca us | 23 novembre 2015

tbouquet: Here the problem is... If you look at the photos I posted, only the two American cars have bumpers. The Lincoln MKX, and the Tesla Model S. You may not like the way the bumpers are styled, but they are there.

The national standard for bumpers was at one time a mandate for what was called a '5 MPH Bumper'. The idea was that for low speed collisions, the car would not suffer damage in excess of $500 at the front or rear. I do not know if that mandate still exists or not. It used to be listed as a 'feature' in vehicle specifications, right along side ABS, airbags, and California Emissions.

To my knowledge no one has ever been required to have bodywork that could withstand a 20 MPH collision. Instead, the focus in vehicle design is not so much on preservation of the vehicle itself, as it is on protection of passengers inside it. I believe that is the proper and correct trade-off. Insurance exists for a reason.

Besides, your suggestion of hidden shock absorbers is already in place on the Tesla Model S and is likely on the Model X as well:

Madatgascar | 23 novembre 2015

That looks exactly what I was visualizing from a mechanical standpoint. If they decoupled this from the brittle fascia, they could probably advertise better crash resilience. Granted, life safety is the top priority, but the high cost of repairs has been mentioned as one of the downsides of Tesla ownership.

My main point was that a different material might break up the blank space.

carlk | 23 novembre 2015

To fix a broken limb is way more costly than to fix a bent fender. That's how insurance companies look at the cost. To us $500 dectable is nothing compares pain and suffering even if all the medical costs are covered. And consider yourself lucky if fixing the limb is all that needs to be done. Passenger safety I do believe is way more important than repair cost.

AlMc | 23 novembre 2015

To get the thread back on target: Yes, I like the 'front' and will really like it when I see it in my garage. :)

Madatgascar | 23 novembre 2015

Apologies to Franz - Red Sage made me do it:

Eric | 23 novembre 2015

I didn't like the look of the Model X front end initially, especially in white. But when you see it with the doors open, I really see what they were going for. It kind of resemble's a falcon's beak, looks like a bird from straight on. I like it. Especially in any color other than white... but even in White.

https://www.teslamotors.com/tesla_theme/assets/img/modelx/section-exteri...

Remnant | 24 novembre 2015

@tbouquet | November 23, 2015

<< ... a different material might break up the blank space. >>

Indeed, and here it is, called NS honeycombs:

http://sffsymposium.engr.utexas.edu/sites/default/files/2014-057-Correa.pdf

oragne lovre | 26 novembre 2015

I bump this thread since I think it's a fun one :)

Madatgascar | 26 novembre 2015

Isn't anyone going to comment on my photoshop nose job (bottom of page 1)?

carlk | 26 novembre 2015

OK what did you do? I can't tell.

Madatgascar | 26 novembre 2015

I added that black "bumper" in what is otherwise an all white expanse of plastic that gives the X that Voldemort nose look. It would die into the blinker side vents. I think the contrasting material helps visually. I could not get the subtle contour working, but you get the idea.

Functionally, the idea is to absorb low impact energy without transmitting it into the hood, fascia, headlights, sensors, side panels, etc. If it was demonstrably effective, insurance companies might give lower rates for Teslas.

Madatgascar | 26 novembre 2015
carlk | 27 novembre 2015

Ha how could I missed that. It does look more "finished" but then it somehow remind me of a Honda. I'll still take the Tesla design.

rdalcanto | 27 novembre 2015

To me, the front looks like the face of a cat, and I'm more of a dog person.... Black looks the best, but my wife will not hand wash the car every week, and won't pay to have it washed that often. White hides dirt the best, especially around here in the winter (salt), so that is what we are getting.

Ankit Mishra | 27 novembre 2015

@tbouquet
I like X look better.

carlk | 27 novembre 2015

Lol AM. I guess @tbouquet still need to put more effort to earn him a designer job at Tesla.

Red Sage ca us | 27 novembre 2015

tbouquet wrote, "...they could probably advertise better crash resilience."

The car has the best crash ratings of any passenger vehicle... EVER.

"...the high cost of repairs has been mentioned as one of the downsides of Tesla ownership."

The cost of repairs is in the exact same range as other aluminum bodied vehicles from traditional automobile manufacturers in the price range.

As for your cosmetic 'facelift' of the Model X... You basically eliminated the one feature you said the car needed, by deleting the bumper in favor of an air inlet that spans the width of the car. No... That does NOT look better -- at all.

Madatgascar | 27 novembre 2015

That was not meant to be an air inlet, that was supposed to be a bumper. I can't make it look good, but I bet Franz could!

And yes, I understand Tesla has the best crash ratings ever, but that's for safety, not repair cost. It's terribly expensive to repair, and someone just posted that it took months to complete a front end job. Attach this bumper to the shock absorbers shown on page 1 and fill it with Remnan't honeycombs, and you could bounce off the walls with no damage up to a pretty good speed. I would want it if it were an option.

Red Sage ca us | 27 novembre 2015

tbouquet: Dude. Really? Even Toyota realized the MR2 looked better with a body colored bumper instead of a black stripe!

For that matter, Ferrari realized their error when moving from the 308 to the 348!

Madatgascar | 27 novembre 2015

Did they realize a design error, or did they get relief from the 5mph bumper law, and take advantage of the fact that they could sell a lot more replacement parts and keep the repair shops fat and happy if the entire front of the car crumples in an accident?

If the rubber is objectionable, maybe they could wrap it in carbon fiber. Body color could be OK too - I would just like a physical separation of the bumping business from the rest of my precious expensive car. There should be a HUGE energy absorption capacity available BEFORE any aluminum has to crumple.

Madatgascar | 27 novembre 2015

Maybe Tesla will be the first to fill in the upper right quadrant of this chart:

Red Sage ca us | 28 novembre 2015

tbouquet: Dude. Lovely and effective? The car is likely to have the highest official ratings for frontal crash testing of all time. And it looks a lot better than this:

It seems as if you want Tesla Motors to develop a MASS EFFECT FIELD of some sort... Something that melds the concepts of a Deflector Shield and Inertial Stabilizers into a single unit. My guess is that you'll have to wait until after Grav-Plating becomes common on interstellar spacecraft.

Oh, and the black bumper MR2 and the body-color bumper MR2 used the exact same bumper design.

Ross1 | 28 novembre 2015

The Model A Ford c. 1930 had a spring steel bumper

Madatgascar | 28 novembre 2015

To be effective for safety purposes, I understand that the whole front of the car needs to crumple in a higher speed impact, and I'm fine with that. I am looking for a bumper that absorb a couple of inches and bounces back without engaging the hood, side panels, etc. That's all.

Current automotive design, as Red Sage's examples above clearly show, is to use larger and larger expanses of molded plastic, seamlessly covering the bumper so the car looks as much like a gel cap as possible.

Over time, this plastic warps and doesn't hold its finish as well as the metal body parts, and you wind up praying for an accident so the insurance company will replace the whole mess.

Nobody cares about damage mitigation these days because insurance pays for everything.

I hope Tesla or someone comes up with a better solution.

Red Sage ca us | 28 novembre 2015

SOLUTION:

Sorted.