Missing jet was carrying lithium ion batteries

Missing jet was carrying lithium ion batteries

carlk | 21 mars 2014

OK Lithium ion battery can make airplane to disappear but will it make cars to disappear too?

ir | 21 mars 2014

In other news, the flight is also confirmed to have carried dihydrogenmonoxide in its hold, a very dangerous and sometimes explosive chemical with a past history of involvement in plane crashes as well!

(steam, ice, being crashed into)

jordanrichard | 21 mars 2014

That article was confusing. One minute they are saying that batteries could cause a fire, when be shipped as freight, but then the next sentence they refer to the batteries as devices.

Just how do lithium batteries become flammable by just sitting in a crate? I can see if they were being used in an actual device and over heated, but as freight??

Sure seems odd that for a type of battery that is being made out to be so dangerous, there sure are a lot of devices that use them though.

riceuguy | 21 mars 2014

Actually even having loose lithium ion batteries in your carry on is forbidden. Li-Ion batteries are perfectly safe when properly managed but can certainly be dangerous in the wrong circumstances.

carlk | 21 mars 2014

Why nobody mentions the plane was carrying tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuels?

akikiki | 22 mars 2014

Soooo, these batteries caused the plane to turn almost 180 without human intervention and fly for 6-7 more hours? Wow.

Brian H | 22 mars 2014

Spontaneous LiIon AI will do that.

Mark K | 22 mars 2014

Yep, those evil LiIon cells turned off the main and backup transponders, changed course, and flew the plane for hours against the will of the heroic pilot.

We can't expect legacy gasoline interests to miss this opportunity to disparage the stuff that's replacing them.

SamO | 22 mars 2014

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (that's 17 a's BrianH . . . too many?)



logicalthinker | 22 mars 2014

Carlk, +1000

Velo1 | 22 mars 2014

Irrespective of the facts, it will be speculation and perception that the media will focus on until this mystery is solved. It is just a matter of time before the media brings up Tesla car fires as they feed the speculation mill.

Brian H | 22 mars 2014

Yes, the LiIon cells broke out in flames from accidental contact with a missile penetrating the plane's belly. It's obvious to the discerning.

hsadler | 22 mars 2014

I do hope that everyone realizes that these theories are being reported by news agencies just in case one of them becomes fact. And then they can claim that they reported it first.

I'm leaning toward the meteor theory, but think it was deflected here intentionally by aliens.

Why am I reading this in a Tesla forum?

Back to CNN.

Velo1 | 22 mars 2014

@hsadler - the alien theory seems more plausible, IMO. It's the new Bermuda Triangle starting up off Australia.

dborn | 22 mars 2014

And kerosine is not flammable? Correct me if I am wrong, but were there not at least two continuous fires burning on kerosine for at least an hour before it went missing?

jvs11560 | 22 mars 2014

REALLY???? As a Pilot, I know a few things about aircraft and navigation. Here are my thoughts based on what I know:

1) Depending on conditions at the time, this plane had enough fuel to fly to it's destination, an alternate airport, and (at a minimum) another 45 Minutes of fuel. This plane had at least 8.0 hrs of fuel on board.

2) Radar detection, over the Ocean, is practically non-existant.

3) This plane flew for at least 7.0 hours after it's last known location.

4) In my lifetime, every plane that has crashed into the Ocean has left a debris field. The most memorable was AF 447 which went down in the Atlantic between South America and Africa.

Based on these facts, this plane is probably in Yemen or Somalia. The pilot flew a little south to avoid getting too close to India. After they cleared India's airspace, Somalia and Yemen are a straight shot. This is not a lithium battery fire...NO WAY!

Velo1 | 22 mars 2014

^@JVS - you are the second pilot I know of to say pretty much the same thing. If correct, then this is not the last we've seen of this aircraft.

Mark K | 22 mars 2014

Pilots have good instincts.

djm12 | 22 mars 2014

The problem with the fire theory is that the plane kept flying for seven hours. A fire strong enough to kill all the occupants of the aircraft should be enough to bring it down.

Brian H | 22 mars 2014

If the plane's in Yemen, will the passengers get sold as hostages?

RanjitC | 22 mars 2014

@Brian H
No they will be loaded back on the plane with a load of explosives and then flown into a target. The idea being that we will not shoot down a plane filled with innocent civilians.

dborn | 23 mars 2014

If it flew to Yemen or Somalia, why can it no be seen by satellite surveillance? Those things are reputed to be able to read a license plate from space!

terrigeer | 23 mars 2014

If these rumors cause the stock to drop, I am buying more ASAP :)

Alex K | 23 mars 2014

If these threads are now being moderated, maybe the moderator could move this thread to the General section, since it has nothing to do with the Model S.

Conroy | 26 mars 2014

Lithium batteries are vulnerable to fire and explosion. However I doubt that lithium batteries cargo in the cargo hold is the cause of this airline's disappearance. Cargo of that nature is typically shipped in fire resistant, explosion resistant shipping containers. If they had caught on fire it should have triggered a fire alarm, long before the aircraft had an electrical failure.

Therefore if lithium batteries caught on fire in the cargo area, the fire alarm should have gone off and there should have been time for the pilots to get on the radio and declare an emergency. There was no distress call, therefore I doubt a lithium battery fire originated in the cargo hold.

@ jvs11560

I doubt the plane is in the Yemen or Somalia. Though I don't think it can be ruled out yet

I think it could possibly could be related to a lithium battery fire. Not the lithium batteries in the cargo hold, I think there is a remote possibility that it could be that the source of the problems is a lithium battery that is part of the aircraft.

I suspect aircraft is in the ocean and we may or may not find it. Even if we find the plane we might not find enough evidence to figure out much of what happened. Some debris has spotted that might be related to aircraft. Planes and ships have disappeared without a trace in the past, wouldn't be surprised if it happens again. An airline is thought to have crashed in the Great Lakes decades ago, yet it still hasn't been found even though the suspected search area is smaller, more accessible and more populated. We can't even find some lost nuclear weapons. I get the impression that many people don't realize how vast the world is and how hard it can be to find things sometimes.

In the Air France crash we had an idea of roughly where it crashed, we found some debris but it took a long time and a fortune and some luck to find the black box. Even with one of the black boxes, the information is a little sketchy.

Whether it be a mechanical failure, fire, terrorism, suicide, mental illness, etc. I suspect aircraft is most likely in the Indian Ocean. There has been some heavy weather that has moved and scattered debris making determining the crash area and finding debris much more difficult. The ocean is littered with junk, making searches much more difficult.