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side view mirrors suggestion

side view mirrors suggestion

Sorry if this has already been covered, but I don't know how to search the forums.

A camera could be mounted on the outside edge of the side mirrors so that it looks back when the mirrors are folded back. This would allow the user to fold back the mirrors while driving, use the cameras and improve aerodynamics but still satisfy the government regulators. It would also help with backing up when the mirrors are retracted in tight parking spots.

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georgehawley.fl.us | 26 février 2015

The general idea of mirrors with integrated cameras has been discussed previously at some length but your camera placement idea is novel, I think.

Napoleonblownapart | 28 février 2015

Ooooh, Dale! Mirrors fold back at speed and you use cameras mounted in the folded mirrors. That is an idea that Tesla needs to think about.

michelcolman | 28 février 2015

I sure hope you didn't just cause an extra 3 month delay for Model X by giving them this idea for making it even better...

jjs | 2 mars 2015

Great idea. Now add to that the mounting bracket for the mirror doubles as a mounting bracket for the camera. When the feds allow for cameras only the service center removes the mirrors and puts the cameras in their place.

Win, win win.

All credits go to OP.

jjs | 2 mars 2015

..um credit...

Lubdub | 2 mars 2015

does anyone here really think that Tesla has not already thought of it?
I am not a car designer and I thought of this 6 months ago.
come on guys (gals)

georgehawley.fl.us | 2 mars 2015

One only officially thinks of things if they are recorded, dated and witnessed. Disclosure in s public forum like this may serve but only if it proved that there is no prior art that includes the idea. Therefore, @Lubdub, more than your say so is needed here to substantiate your claim. That sounds pretty official, doesn't it? Actually, whoever thought of it, it is a pretty good idea. You and the OP can duke it out over who thought of it first. :-))

jjs | 2 mars 2015

Dibs on Tesla hover craft. You saw it here first.

Brian H | 3 mars 2015

Tesla submersible hover craft. You saw it here first and last.

jjs | 3 mars 2015

Brian H - lol

Remnant | 5 mars 2015

@ dalelduncan (February 26, 2015)

<< A camera could be mounted on the outside edge of the side mirrors so that it looks back when the mirrors are folded back. >>

The mirror is something that has to view the rear side of the car, but also needs to be located where the driver has line of sight to it in order to see the image. The line-of-sight constraint has imposed the traditional side mirror location in the lower front corner of the front side windows.

The camera has to view the rear side of the car, but does not need the driver's line of sight, because the image it obtains must be conveyed to a dashboard display, if the drag imposed by the mirror bulk is to be eliminated. Therefore, the camera location can be optimized for viewing, without the line-of-sight constraint.

Thus, an integration of mirror and camera in the current side mirror location makes absolutely no sense at all.

Once you have side cameras, the mirrors only fulfill a compliance function and can be discarded, as soon as NHTSA and the corresponding State agency have approved the exclusive camera use for the side rearviews.

georgehawley.fl.us | 5 mars 2015

@Remnant: Government regulations are not required to make sense. Quite the contrary in fact. Therefore, steps taken to get around a government regulation also do not have to make sense. Does that make sense to you?

Remnant | 5 mars 2015

@ jjs (March 2, 2015)

<< .... the mounting bracket for the mirror doubles as a mounting bracket for the camera. When the feds allow for cameras only the service center removes the mirrors and puts the cameras in their place. >>

First, side rearview cameras are not forbidden and can be currently offered by any manufacturer. It is only their exclusive use for side rearviews that requires approval, as substitutes for the traditional side mirrors that are required at this time.

Second, side cameras should be optimized for the best rearview AND the least drag. A bulky thing in the front lower corner of the front window won't do. Also, integrating the camera with the mirror in order to separate them later on will just substitute one drag for another and make the procedure unnecessarily costly.

The best location for a side rearview camera, IMO, would be as a micro inset under the front fender logo plate that would also protect it from rain, snow, debris, etc. Tesla could install such cameras on the MX from the get-go (with adequate displays on the dashboard) and make sure that the side mirrors will be easy to discard upon approval.

However, other locations along the side of the car might arguably be more appropriate. For an example see the side cameras of VW-XL1:

caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/2014-volkswagen-xl1-first-drive-review#21

Remnant | 5 mars 2015

@ georgehawley.fl.us (March 5, 2015)

<< .... steps taken to get around a government regulation also do not have to make sense. Does that make sense to you? >>

Of course not,George.

If you read my messages a little more carefully, you'll grasp the two essential facts that do make sense:

(1) Cameras are not forbidden and can be offered presently.

(2) Cameras should not be co-located with the mirrors, because they must optimized for rear viewing and minimized for drag, rather than restricted in both respects by the driver's line of sight the mirrors require.

georgehawley.fl.us | 5 mars 2015

@Remnant: another excellent idea! I think Red Sage posted that idea earlier in a different thread. I tried to buy a VW XL1 online but couldn't. It must be in a concept stage. The cool thing about your version is that Tesla could prewire the locations immediately using an unused fuse for the power and offer the cameras as a retrofittable upgrade at any time in the future. For older cars like mine the mirrors don't look so easy to remove. If that's true, they could just fold up when not wanted.