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WSJ - Should You Buy an Electric Car

Anthony J. Parisio | 24 novembre 2014

Article about poor efforts in electric cars. To me is is an article on crap.

damonmath | 24 novembre 2014

Should be titled, "Why should you buy any electric vehicle other than a Tesla?". While looking for an EV, range was my biggest concern. Not a ton, just enough for my daily commute in order to beat the waiting at the pump illness that had become my Monday mornings. Gas stations are dirty, smelly and often bum invested places where I live in Oceanside CA. I am often accosted for loose change and get exhausted reading the gang signs carved into the gas pumps. Not to mention waiting for an open pump or fighting with another ICE to wait for an open pump.

During my research phase I found only 2 vehicles with the range necessary to accommodate my 68 mile per day commute. And I worried that with the occasional 2 hour wait on the busy So Cal freeways (honestly people cannot drive here) during the occasional look-e-loo traffic accident or HWY 78 to 15 merge attempt, truly only the Tesla Model S would fit the bill without creating serious range anxiety or simply run out of power.

Other EVs offered less than 84 miles per charge rated! This would create daily anxiety that I was just not prepared to sacrifice for under daily conditions. The Toyota Rav 4 has a max of 100 miles which might fit the bill, but given that I despise the Rav 4 ICE, I could not bare to subject myself to such torture even to beat the wait at the pump.

This left me with really only 1 option, the Tesla Model S. Given that I have driven the dreaded Oceanside to Sorrento Valley commute daily for the past 15 years (I now work off the 15), I have come to an understanding of my minimum driving requirements. That said, I drive one of 2 Benzs daily to work and do not mind paying out the nose for comfort and luxury given that I live on the freeway daily. My average time is greater than 2 hours per day.

Since my commute is such a bear and that I do indeed spend a lot of money to quite the voices in my head screaming at me to find a closer job (or leave So Cal), the scenic views and unbelievable weather have kept the voices firmly in check. After some number crunching and further soul searching I came to the realization that the Tesla Model S was in my price range and in fact cheaper to own overall compared to my more expensive E550 Benz.

That said however, the Tesla Model S is by no means an everyday man's automobile. It does require a significant commitment in price compared to say a Toyota Camry or Honda Civic hatchback. But all in all, I am glad that I have reached a point in my life (without having to be a surgeon or lawyer) where I could actually afford to say BYE BYE to GAS.

I look forward to the Model X and Model 3 and hope that someday we stop at convenience stores for the convenience and not simply to fight over a gas pump.

sdhtran | 24 novembre 2014

I made my decision after spending an hour on the Leaf owner's forum reading about how to squeeze 50 miles out of one charge in bad weather, traffic etc etc. Too much compromise for me.

http.com | 24 novembre 2014

"The major manufacturers have a long way to go before their products and franchise dealer networks are ready for EVs to go prime time, though."

Article doesn't seem to have anything to do with Tesla, as the author is only focusing on the current major auto manufacturers (ie- honda, nissan, etc)

sule | 24 novembre 2014

@http.com: I'd consider Tesla to be "major" these days. What they lack in numbers they supplement in impact and influence.

@all: Article is total nonsense. Comments below worse than that. I can't help with comments because I don't have (or want) a Facebook account, so can't address anything there.

@damonmath: With respect to price, yes, Model S is not exactly the cheapest car out there (unless you drive a lot). But the article is not exactly about pricing. People do buy expensive cars already. Today ICE cars of $50k-$70k are at the beginning of the price range that compete with Model S in terms of TCO. Anything more than that and Model S is less expensive - slam dunk. They are ignoring that too.

eye.surgeon | 24 novembre 2014

To be fair I think the article raises some good points, the primary one being that EVs are very unlikely to increase their market share substantially because of the limitations of battery cost and range. Tesla hasn't solved that problem despite huge success selling to the top 1% of consumers. They have zero to offer the 99% and frankly the business model for the Tesla 3 is shaky without substantial subsidy support.

Jacqueline.gerhart | 24 novembre 2014

+1 eye.surgeon. Average cost of Leaf without rebate is around 30K...factor in rebate and it drops to mid-20K. Thats a reasonable price range for the masses. The model 3 is not out yet. We have no clue how well it will be adopted. The general public will be less forgiving than many of us on this forum. Our discussions for recent issues with Tesla (autopilotgate, sudden removal of options people had ordered, etc) has been for the most part very tame. Sure we complain, but we still stand firmly by Tesla. The general public does not have the luxury of doing this. No matter how much I try to justify my purchase of the Model S, when I tell my friends the price tag, all discussions of environment etc go out the window. Tesla has to get the model 3 before entering the discussion of a mass appeal/affordable EV as mentioned in the article.

Jacqueline.gerhart | 24 novembre 2014

Correction to my above post: Tesla has to get the model 3 right before entering the discussion of a mass appeal/affordable EV as mentioned in the article.

Red Sage ca us | 24 novembre 2014

Part of the reason why Tesla Motors is rolling out innovations and enhancements to the Model S so quickly is so that they will be ready at the outset for implementation on the Model X. The refinements and improvements will continue even after that is on the market. Those will come to fruition in time so that they can all be an integral part of Model ≡ from the very beginning. Thus, Generation III cars will not lag behind anything in class and will in effect be better on day one than Model S was in June 2012. Count on it.

eye.surgeon | 24 novembre 2014

I have no doubt the model 3 will be good, I have serious doubts about making it for less than $50k given a decent battery pack with more range than say a leaf is going to cost upwards of $20k alone.

Red Sage ca us | 30 novembre 2014

Well, if the Leaf were a Tesla Motors product, and Tesla had the sort of funds to work with that Nissan does (plus the $2.9 billion they got from the US government)... It would probably be a lot faster, have at least twice the battery pack capacity, weigh the same, and cost about the same (without being fugly). That is because Tesla's batteries have twice the energy density of Nissan's. People would like it, but it still wouldn't be Supercharger compatible and would likely have less than a 150 mile range.

Plenty of people will happily spend $50,000 or more on a Tesla Model ☰. But they will do so by adding $15,000 in options to the tally. Leather, panoramic sunroof, premium sound, AWD, roof rack, etc.... It will be no different than buying a fully optioned BMW 3-Series that has a low-to-mid-$30,000 base price, but a whole stack of added goodies that move the price upward. But unless there is a version of the Model ☰ that has a substantially higher battery pack capacity than 85 kWh, none of them will have a base price over $50,000.