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Factory Pickup?

I assume factory pickup will be an option for the M3 as I have seen reports of other people picking up their MS/MX there. I'm on the East coast, so it will be quite a (fun) trip if I do that. Being on the East coast though, we get our M3s after reservation holders on the West coast according to EM. Will we be able to jump in with the West coast reservations if we opt for a factory pickup?

KP in NPT | 7 juin 2016

This has been asked (tweeted to Elon) and thus far, no answer. I wouldn't expect an answer until configuration time. My guess would be no, though. But just guessing.

Badbot | 7 juin 2016

Beware! if you pick it up CA sales tax 8% will be charged to you AND then you have to pay your states local sales tax on top of CA tax.

TeslaTap.com | 7 juin 2016

And the CA tax is NOT refundable, even if you never return to California. Legislation is in progress to change this crazy rule, but it's unclear if it will pass.

Zcurth | 7 juin 2016

I'll be watching to see if that passes. Would be great to see the factory and take a California vacation while picking up the M≡ (maybe saving on delivery charge too) but probably not worth paying extra CA sales tax.

KP in NPT | 7 juin 2016

I think the delivery charge is federal law and is paid whether you pick up at factory or not. Google to be sure. I do hope they pass the law because I don't see how the detractors say they'd lose money. CA was never getting my money since I live in another state. I will be bringing them money (hotels, meals, etc) if I pick up my car there.

I would totally pick up at factory to do a cross country trip if the time of year/my time off worked out - but I don't think they'll let you jump the queue for it. JMHO.

kory | 7 juin 2016

Hoping for Senate Bill "sb 680” to become law in California. Sounds like the bill passed its first step. Don't want to be double taxed on picking up the m3

mikewolff1 | 7 juin 2016

I want to pick mine up from the factory as well but I'm not going to pay California sales tax for shits and giggles!!! To bad because Tesla could make the community a bundel

DonS | 7 juin 2016

Most states will allow you to deduct the CA sales tax paid against tax due in your home state, but but that is an awful deal if your home state has low or no sales tax.

carlk | 7 juin 2016

I'm not sure if Tesla can continue to offer factory pickup and factory tour when sales volume increases ten fold.

CraigW | 8 juin 2016

carlk,
The factory tour is quite different today, than it was in 2013. Today they have trackless trains taking people around the factory. My guess is that they could schedule quite a few more people/day before it impacts their ability to continue. Also, I suspect Model 3 owners would be less likely/able to take the time and expense it requires to travel to the factory to pick up their car - meaning a lower percentage of them would be trying to do so.

I think Tesla wants to continue the factory tour activity because it is such a good marketing tool. There may be restrictions we don't see today, like a limited time to schedule your tour, but I don't see it stopping.

TeslaTap.com | 8 juin 2016

@mp1156 - "I think the delivery charge is federal law ..."

Yes, this is different from the sales tax, and you'll get hit with this fee as well (about $1100). Seems crazy to pay a delivery fee when you pick up your car at the factory (as I did), but seems like another scam put into law many years ago to collect more money. It's not specific to Tesla, so if you pick your Corvette at a GM plant, they will also charge you the "standard" delivery fee too.

Azred50 | 8 juin 2016

It wouldn't make sense for Tesla to allow Midwest and East Coast line jumpers since the whole purpose of rolling out starting on the West Coast is to ensure the smoothest possible rollout. You could move to California.

carlk | 8 juin 2016

@CraigW

I had one factory tour in early 2014 and another one in March this year. Back in 2014 anyone could request for a tour but now it's only for people who are picking up their cars. I know that because two freinds who tagged along with me on the recent tour said they called Tesla and was told that. It appears it is booked full even now. I don't know how they could manage to do that when there are 10x more people in next year and even more in years beyond. Like everyone else I of course want to see it again when M3 is in full production but just don't know how Tesla could handle that without too much disruption. After all it's running an auto production not the Disneyland. Well may be they could sell $50 tour tickets as a money making buisness. I'll take on that is that price includes hot dog, soda, or better yet a cold beer.

Patkemp01 | 8 juin 2016

I wonder how it works if you're not a US resident. I'm in Canada and was planning to take a vacation based on a factory delivery of my model 3, visit friends and family in the Bay area and experience a cool electric driven road trip on the way back home.

Admittedly I haven't made any inquiries yet but my common sense tells me I would purchase and pay for the M3 at my local store including my own local taxes and with proper documentation and insurance, license, etc, in hand I would simply take delivery at the factory. The only difference being that Tesla would not have to ship my car to my local store. They would actually be making money on the delivery fee and would only be providing pre-delivery service and the can't-miss-it factory tour.

If for any reason they are going to tack on 8% in that scenario I'll certainly pass on it and keep the several thousand dollars in tourism revenue in my own pocket. Any other Canadians taken delivery at the factory to confirm or deny?

dsvick | 8 juin 2016

@carlk
"... or better yet a cold beer"

Sure, that'd go over well, serve beer to the people that you know are about to jump in a car and drive away. :)

Badbot | 8 juin 2016

Patkemp01 Contact tesla and tell them you are Canadian. IIRC they ONLY deliver there no pickups some import law involved.

TeslaTap.com | 8 juin 2016

@Patkemp01 - Sorry to say, there are no exceptions for California collecting that sales tax if you pick up the car in California, except perhaps if you are the California government. I don't think the pre-pay out-of-state will help. It's a stupid law which we're trying to get changed.

TeslaTap.com | 8 juin 2016

To make it clear the "we're" in the above post are us resident Californians. I don't think Tesla has an official opinion, but likely supports changing the law too.

KP in NPT | 8 juin 2016

@Carlk - I don't think that's true. I am going on a tour in a week and am not picking up a car. I was able to reserve the max four spaces and am taking 3 other forum members.

They offer tours twice daily, I think at 10 and 4. I booked about 6 weeks out.

Drdpharris | 8 juin 2016

@ Patkemp01 Unfortunately, we Canadians are not allowed to import into Canada (yet). There are several modifications that need to be made post import. However, I think these are relatively straight forward, so I don't see why the factory could not make them (daytime headlights and such). We should form a lobby group and see if we can get this ok'd.

mntlvr23 | 8 juin 2016

@Tesla Tap -
If you go to the website to find the Senate bill, there is a link to the senate floor analysis. At the end of the analysis it lists support and opposition to the bill. Under support it lists Tesla with the date of January 2016, under opposition it says "None"

Patkemp01 | 8 juin 2016

Thanks for the replies......
Drpharris, I'm not looking to import a Tesla through the RIV process. I wish to purchase a Canadian spec car from my local Tesla Store with the only difference being I would pick it up at the factory rather than waiting for it to be shipped. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying the process but it does seem pretty straight forward that the vehicle would be Canada compliant upon manufacture and that all documentation would accompany me and the car for proper presentation at the border crossing...... unless Trump has erected his big wall by then... Oh wait, that's Mexico!! :)

I'll have to talk to Tesla reps closer to M3 release and see what's possible.

Drdpharris | 8 juin 2016

@ Patkemp01 Well keep in touch because, ideally, I would like to do the same, and drive back to Victoria via GF etc. :-)

stevenmaifert | 13 juin 2016

Can someone reference the Federal law that requires auto manufacturers to charge destination fees. The only Federal law I know of is one that requires the fee be itemized on the sticker. This is an informative read: http://www.kbb.com/car-advice/articles/destination-charges/

Red Sage ca us | 13 juin 2016

stevenmaifert: Correct. It must be called out separately, and distinctly... Precisely because there used to be a rather unsavory practice of having variable amounts levied as a Destination Charge for the exact same car type, delivered from the exact same manufacturing facility, to the exact same location, but different Customers would be charged different amounts as 'the market could bear'... By your friendly neighborhood 'independent franchised dealership'. I believe this is a Federal Law because in most cases, the Destination Fee is for interstate commerce, as the vehicle crosses multiple State lines before reaching the end user. There is, unfortunately, no such law to govern other charges levied by 'independent franchised dealerships' on a whim: dealer preparation, documentation fees, shop supplies, acquisition fee, etc.

hsadler | 14 juin 2016

Aside from the CA tax being levied, I doubt you can 'jump the line'. Believe the original reason for the distribution plan was to keep first waves close to factory to facilitate any problems that may pop up. (Plus - training of all the techs nationwide would be a problem all at once). In addition, if all SC's were trained, some may not see a car for a year or may no longer work there which wastes resource costs.

As far as 'Delivery Charge'.... same charge for 'everyone'. When we picked up our US bound BMW in Germany, we payed a fixed fee, same as everyone else in US - also same price for east coast or west coast deliveries. Used to be a way to cheat consumers, but they fixed it. If you wanna feel like you are getting the best deal for your money, just buy a car from as far away as possible.
I paid the same price here at the factory as someone in Maine.

stevenmaifert | 14 juin 2016

I suspect all service center techs will be trained to some baseline level of expertise by the time M3 hits the streets and wouldn't be surprised if there were one or more techs at each SC with advanced training. They'll be armed with their tech manuals and factory tech phone numbers. Maybe video conferencing too. If you go back four years on the MS forum, you'll see one of the first things some folks did after deliveries started was take a X-country trip and report on their charging and service experiences along the way.

Haggy | 14 juin 2016

Part of it is keeping the car as close to the factory as possible, but more important is logistics. They can have staff on hand in Fremont to turn over cars to customers before they know if they will have enough cars to ship to a given region by a specific date. If they get only ten cars out the first week, it wouldn't be practical to put each one on a separate truck, or even know how many trucks to arrange for. It makes sense to ramp up, deliver locally, figure out the logistics for the next region, arrange for transportation, hiring enough Delivery Specialists for each region, etc. Doing it all at once won't work. Doing it as they ramp up will free whatever staff was busy as hell with one region once they get it under control so they can start on the next one. Otherwise they'd need five times the staff in Fremont and would have to fire many of them after the ramp up.

Compared to that, keeping you close to the factory is relatively minor. But if you do take it on the road to another region, keep in mind that Tesla isn't going to fly all of its mechanics to Fremont on one day to train them. Things will have to be handled on a regional basis.