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I live in Dallas where summer temps can exceed 100 degrees and often park at golf course for at least. 5 hours. I definitely use sunshades but almost burnt off the skin of my hands when I touched the metal handles. Any suggestions?

LeonardD | 12 juillet 2014

Wear Kevlar oven gloves to open the door! With a model S, the door handles can be programmed to present when one approaches the car. (At least with the Tech Package). With retracted handles, they should not be quite as hot on the inside as completely exposed handles.

just an allusion | 13 juillet 2014

The door handles should have been retracted while parked, meaning that they should have been sheltered from the Sun's rays (at least the part that you would pull on with your finger tips to open the door), so I'm not understanding how you managed to injure your fingers.

Red Sage ca us | 13 juillet 2014

Some people have the chrome door handles wrapped, or plasti-dipped. This apparently makes them a mite bit easier to... erm... handle... in hot, sunny areas.

Rocky_H | 14 juillet 2014

LeonarD and just an allusion. The shade has almost no effect. The handles are a solid piece of metal that conducts the heat really really well. The inside edge of the handle is almost exactly the same temperature as the outside because the heat conduction of metal completely overwhelms the effect of shade.

JeffreyR | 15 juillet 2014

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just an allusion | 17 juillet 2014

@Rocky_H

Perhaps, perhaps indeed as many metals are great conductors of heat, disseminating the radiated solar heat energy throughout its bulk, though I've not yet encountered this phenomena myself...Lucky me?!

Rocky_H | 17 juillet 2014

I think you are just thinking of it in isolation. A piece of metal in the shade probably wouldn't have that problem. But the outside of the handle through a centimeter of metal, is still getting a constant input of a high level of heat energy pouring into it. That doesn't let the shady side have a chance to cool down.

montevideolawfirm | 17 juillet 2014

Chrome handles sound like the way to go, but are do they actually make it cool enough to handle safely? As a personal injury lawyer in Orange County, it rarely gets hot enough for this to be a serious problem, but it would be good for Tesla to be aware of and address this in some manner.

Cheers DiMarco Araujo Montevideo

Haeze | 17 juillet 2014

On hot days, just use the mobile app to turn on the AC in your car 10-15 minutes before you leave. The Heat/AC in the car blow over the handles. They were designed this way for winter use so when the handles get iced over, they will melt the ice enough to allow them to present. If you turn on the AC in the car, it will cool the handles enough to make them not burn your hand.

Red Sage ca us | 17 juillet 2014

Driving. Gloves.

just an allusion | 18 juillet 2014

Thing is, the automotive industry has been manufacturing automobiles with polished/chromed metal handles for over a century, many of which have been sold in, or whose owners reside in, areas around the World that enjoy sweltering, scorching, even sizzling climates, and yet not one report of someone 'burning the flesh off of their hand(s)', let alone blistering them.

It is for this reason that I feel that zeitmanp is purposely being a bit overzealous in their accounting of the matter as a means of belittling our ever embattled EV/marque of choice & so, B.S.! I say.

Red Sage ca us | 18 juillet 2014

Paint. Works. Too.

centralvalley | 19 juillet 2014

The business end of the Superchargers get quite hot too in the sun all day long.

Brian H | 19 juillet 2014

The MS handles recess and get no airflow until they are extended. This prevents convective cooling. Since they are poor radiators (chrome) they stay hot (unlike the car body). Some form of active, or at least passive / conductive, heat sink may be needed.

just an allusion | 21 juillet 2014

Thing is this very issue has been raised in more than one thread on this forum and in the Model S forum as well with story lines remarkably similar in detail, though under different names like " zeitmanp" and "sack".

This, coupled with the fact that the automotive industry is some 125 years old now and has produced literally thousands of vehicles with all manner of door handles, be they polished metal, chrome, billet aluminum, and other.

Inasmuch as this is the case, this issue has been a commonplace one in the automotive world for over a century now and has been addressed a number of ways, so I'm not seeing its being brought up here serving any purpose other than as yet another snide remark against Tesla Motors and consider those who've raised this issue as little more than POSER TROLLS out to defame Tesla Motors and their efforts to improve Life for all with yet some more silly, nuanced, largely irrelevant BS.

Rocky_H | 21 juillet 2014

@justanallusion: " this issue has been a commonplace one in the automotive world for over a century now and has been addressed a number of ways"

You are so right...and yet, it has been a couple of years, and Tesla has not come up with any ways of addressing it.

knifeshark | 21 juillet 2014

There is an outside vendor at the service center in Costa Mesa, Ca. that I hear has a solution to this problem. From what I heard they have used a military grade heat absorbing rubber type material with adhesive on the back and developed a kit that can be applied the the inside of the door handle to prevent burning...

Brian H | 22 juillet 2014

illusion;
The list of cars with fully recessed extending chrome handles is very short. 1. Tesla 2. ...

Grinnin'.VA | 22 juillet 2014

@just an allusion | JULY 21, 2014:

"... this issue has been a commonplace one in the automotive world for over a century now and has been addressed a number of ways, so I'm not seeing its being brought up here serving any purpose other than as yet another snide remark against Tesla Motors ..."

These remarks dismiss a very real concern: Discomfort from handling a hot metal object. Do you mean that you don't think the MS handles get "too hot" for comfort when the car is parked in the sun for an hour or more on hot (100 degrees F) days? Have you ever experienced that situation?
Several people have reported that they have felt such uncomfortably hot handles. Do you believe they are just making up stories to detract from Tesla's splendid reputation?

I consider the reports of hot handles to be plausible. I'd prefer to think of them as reasonable, not the work of Tesla's detractors.

BTW, what's the hottest day you've gotten into a Tesla sitting in the hot sun? Were the handles comfortable?

Ron :)

just an allusion | 23 juillet 2014

@Grinnin'

I haven't said that it isn't an issue and have even gone so far as to note that it has been an ongoing one for well over a century now, yet am dismissing it as a minuscule/inconsequential one given the fact that it has been commonplace in automotive nomenclature since its (the automobile) introduction.

The simple fact of the matter is that ANY car's door handles can become a bit too hot when exposed to the rays of the Sun for an extended period of time, yet it is a momentary, fleeting discomfort that commuters the World over have tolerated for 125+ years, so I'm really not seeing the need for all of the hoopla.

It's like you just can't satisfy some people no matter what you do, they'll eternally be perpetually discontent and embittered, relishing in every bit of minutia they can find to gripe about...SHEESH!

just an allusion | 23 juillet 2014

p.s. @Grinnin

And, no, I've not yet encountered a day when I've found the handles too hot to the touch to open the door, though I have experienced this on any number of other cars I've owned over the years, so I know that it is a REAL issue, just not one significant enough to stop me or any of the other billions of automobile owners over the 125+ years of the automotive industry from getting into or out of our cars.

Rocky_H | 23 juillet 2014

Oh, calling me a troll for discussing this problem rationally. Thanks for that--very classy.

Red Sage ca us | 23 juillet 2014

Rocky_H: I don't think JAA was calling you a troll, I think he was just saying this is the sort of subject that is cherry-picked by trolls, who repost here and elsewhere...

jordanrichard | 23 juillet 2014

Not that I have experience this issue here in CT, but the idea of adhering felt, rubber, etc to the inside of the handle sounds like a great idea. Though, if the handle is getting that hot that one is actually suffering burns or serious discomfort, I would imagine any adhesive will not hold up.

Perhaps its the way people are opening their doors. What I mean by that is I only grab/tug the handle long enough to get the door open a bit. I then either grab the window or the trailing edge of the chrome trim along the top of the door to open the door fully. So I am not holding onto the door handle to feel any heat build up.

just an allusion | 24 juillet 2014

@Rocky_H, Red Sage & jordanrichard

The point is that if a hot door handle were that BIG of an issue as it has been made out to be here, then don't you think that someone over the 125+ years of automotive history would've prompted a re-engineering of this one teeny, tiny, itty, bitty bit of automotive nomenclature...?

And since they haven't in some 125+ years, it is my position that this largely irrelevant matter is being blown way the hell out of proportion, you know, like a internet troll would do!

just an allusion | 24 juillet 2014

Shenanigans I tell you, SHENANIGANS!!

Grinnin'.VA | 25 juillet 2014

@just an allusion | JULY 24, 2014:

"The point is that if a hot door handle were that BIG of an issue as it has been made out to be here, then don't you think that someone over the 125+ years of automotive history would've prompted a re-engineering of this one teeny, tiny, itty, bitty bit of automotive nomenclature...?"

I thought that you knew that Tesla's door handles retract into the doors. They differ fundamentally from the common car doors "over the 125+ years of automotive history". Since there is almost no air flow around them, they can get uncomfortably hot.

This problem didn't stop me from ordering and MS, nor did it motivate me to dump my TSLA stock at a profit. But it is a minor problem. And I, like many others, think Tesla should fix it.

Ron :)

P.S. I'm not worried about the trolls and Tesla bashers. I assume that they will do their thing, resisting Tesla's bold BEVs. I'm confident that as this plays out, the truth will prevail. And I believe that the truth is that we're seeing the early stages of a BEVs remake of the auto industry. Go Tesla!

Rocky_H | 25 juillet 2014

@just_an_allusion:
"The point is that if a hot door handle were that BIG of an issue as it has been made out to be here"

I'm not saying it's a BIG issue. I'm not the one talking about blisters and third degree burns, but you decided I was the one to call a troll. I am saying it's a bad design, and it was a bad idea to do.

"And since they haven't in some 125+ years..."

Oh, but they HAVE. You act as if EVERY car has solid metal handles, but they don't. Most cars don't because the manufacturers know it's a bad idea. They're rare because of this problem.

"largely irrelevant matter"

It's not irrelevant. It's bad design, but it's minor. If people were comparing two (Accord/Camry for example) that were pretty similar, but one of them had these metal handles that people knew would be burning their hands in the summer, that would be a negative mark to consider in weighing which car to choose. The market would kind of sort itself out, that cars with metal handles might sell a little less well than similar cars that don't have them. In this case, there is nothing else like the Model S, so most of the rest of the car is amazing, and I would not want to give up having it just because of this problem, but it is a problem. They could mount a plastic piece on the backside of the handle to pull on, and it wouldn't change the nice outside appearance. I just think it's worth reminding them that they could address this issue in the future.

just an allusion | 26 juillet 2014

@Grinnin'

Mine have never gotten too-hot-too-touch, yet...Maybe they will, maybe they won't, I do not yet know.

Nor have any of the other metallic-handled car doors of the various vehicles I've had, and have, in my life gotten too-hot-to-touch, let alone caused anything even remotely resembling severe burns, and I've either lived in, worked in or visited damn near every state, country, and continent all around the World, so I am speaking solely from personal experience.

Perhaps some are of a softer, more temperature-sensitive countenance than I? They could be, I don't know, though I do know that we are all individuals and physiologically unique unto ourselves, so I suppose that it could be possible, but it isn't attributable to the Tesla's handles' material constituency or articulating design, that's just BS.

Also, while the retractability of the handles might limit air flow, their lack of exposure to the Sun's radiance for the duration of the time that the vehicle is both parked and driven serves a function similar to the exposure to air flow does for conventional door handles in that this functionality keeps the majority of their mass shaded from the Sun's rays, reducing their direct exposure to the radiant heating of the Sun throughout the vehicles' exposure to the outdoor elements...This functionality is beneficial in a number of ways beyond the mere aesthetic appeal and will not be omitted.

Yes, trolls are gonna troll, I just like exposing them to prevent them from acquiring any degree of credibility that would enable them to further their acts of defamation and slander or gain a toehold in the community.

Grinnin'.VA | 27 juillet 2014

@just an allusion | JULY 26, 2014"

"Yes, trolls are gonna troll, I just like exposing them to prevent them from acquiring any degree of credibility that would enable them to further their acts of defamation and slander or gain a toehold in the community."

Your intent seems to be good.
But I question how well your tactics work.
In my mind, the word "troll" is an insult.
I think it's far better to challenge forum participants who harbor malicious intent directly on the merits (or lack of merits) of their claims.

Good luck.

Ron :)

Red Sage ca us | 27 juillet 2014

I remember that this particular design got very hot during summer on General Motors vehicles:

Nova, Firebird, Camaro, Chrome Door Handles

People seem to have survived them more or less unscathed.

Grinnin'.VA | 28 juillet 2014

Red Sage | JULY 27, 2014:

"I remember that this particular design got very hot during summer on General Motors vehicles:"

"People seem to have survived them more or less unscathed."

Just a reminder, Red: Tesla's intent is to deliver an outstanding, fun experience for its drivers, not the same old kind of things that other auto manufactures provide. 'As good as...' is sub-par for Tesla.

Ron :)

Red Sage ca us | 28 juillet 2014

Grinnin' Ron: I think most people find the self-presenting, recessed door handles of the Tesla Model S to be 'outstanding' and 'fun', 'not the same old kind of things that other manufacturers provide'. Hence, 'better'. Sure, they could make them out of plastic, and use that fake chrome that Ford and Nissan use on the grilles of their trucks and SUVs... It would be cooler to the touch on hot days. It would also cease to be... AWESOME.

Rocky_H | 28 juillet 2014

@Red Sage, they can keep the chrome awesome factor if they would just have a plastic insert screwed into the back of the handle to pull on.

Rocky_H | 28 juillet 2014

So how is saying, "The handles burn our hands. I wish they would do something to address that." being a troll? It's telling personal experience and saying something we would like to see improved.

Rocky_H | 28 juillet 2014

I noticed in the other thread that you called German_Tesla_Fan a troll, shill, shorting stock manipulator, and accused him of flipping his username around to deceive people. You've got quite a streak of nastiness going on.

Rocky_H | 29 juillet 2014

So you don't think more than one person can agree on an opinion. If someone "agrees", you think it's always just one person going around creating multiple accounts. Why would anyone bother to try to contradict you?

Grinnin'.VA | 29 juillet 2014

@Red Sage | JULY 28, 2014:

"Grinnin' Ron: I think most people find the self-presenting, recessed door handles of the Tesla Model S to be 'outstanding' and 'fun', 'not the same old kind of things that other manufacturers provide'. Hence, 'better'."

As your opinion, this is OK. However, other people have different opinions. Your statement appears to deny the legitimacy of opinions that conflict with yours.

BTW, like beauty, "AWESOME" is in the eye of the beholder.

Ron :)

Brian H | 29 juillet 2014

Hopefully, too.

Red Sage ca us | 30 juillet 2014

Grinnin' Ron chastised, "Your statement appears to deny the legitimacy of opinions that conflict with yours."

That wasn't my intent. I was just pointing out the existing handles, meet the parameters of exceeding "As good as...", as you noted should be standard with a Tesla Motors product. My opinion is that it is pretty AWESOME. I really hope that everyone here can express their opinions with verve.

I do believe it could be improved by placing a rubberized, or plastic piece, on the inside edge of the door handles. Please note, I don't have one of these cars, and I rather imagined it would have that anyway. I thought it would be there for the sake of ergonomics, or fit & finish, rather than safety though...

I agree with JAA too, that it seems strange how these complaints about hot handles have propagated, when door handles that were exposed to far more sunlight were survivable on older cars. But we live in a world where there are 'CAUTION: HOT LIQUID!' warnings on coffee cups at MacDonald's and a packet of toothpicks has instructions printed on them... The 'OBJECTS IN MIRROR MAY BE SOMEWHERE ELSE -- SO BE CAREFUL!' warnings on cars are bad enough, I'd hate to see a similar label imprinted on the door handles of Tesla products in the future...

I state again... My posts on the internet are largely Closed Captioned for the Humour Impaired. A lot of what I say is in jest, or has a double meaning, or borders on being just plain stupid. I come here to have fun, not to ridicule people. I'm a big fan of Douglas Adams, and I would hope that shines through in my own writing.

"I don't believe it.  Prove it to me, and I still won't believe it." -- Ford Prefect, 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' by Douglas Adams

Grinnin'.VA | 30 juillet 2014

@Red Sage | JULY 30, 2014:

"I do believe it could be improved by placing a rubberized, or plastic piece, on the inside edge of the door handles. Please note, I don't have one of these cars, and I rather imagined it would have that anyway. I thought it would be there for the sake of ergonomics, or fit & finish, rather than safety though..."

Thanks for telling us that you are NOT a Tesla MS owner. Since you've posted many times on many threads, I had assumed that you wrote from a combination of extensive research and experience with the MS.

"I state again... My posts on the internet are largely Closed Captioned for the Humour Impaired. A lot of what I say is in jest, or has a double meaning, or borders on being just plain stupid. I come here to have fun, not to ridicule people."

My interpretation: Besides not being an MS expert, you're just treating these forums as a joke. So I guess I shouldn't take anything you write as a serious, honest expression. OK.

In contrast, I have ordered an MS85 and have bought a modest amount of TSLA stock. Naturally, I don't think of these discussions just a joke. I have too much 'skin in the game'.

I guess it takes all kinds ...

Ron :)

Red Sage ca us | 30 juillet 2014

Grinnin' Ron: I'm pretty sure I've posted several times that I am an enthusiast, that I love the Tesla Model S, but would prefer a coupe, and thus I am waiting -- for as long as I can possibly bear -- before I buy. I have waited for a car like the Tesla Model S my entire life. It is the only 'sports sedan' that lives up to the term in my mind. I hope that my Brothers and I will all go test drive the Model S and Model X when both are available at a local Tesla Store. My own lifestyle would be better suited to a different vehicle configuration, though.

I don't think I said I was an expert in anything really... I'm just a guy on the internet. I enjoy writing about and discussing technology. I've been doing that on the internet for nearly twenty years. I have been enamored with the concept of a REAL electric car for forty years. This is a subject I take seriously, but I will at times make jests, as that is the nature of my personality.

I hope you understand that what I was saying is simply this: if it seems that something I write can be interpreted as being harmful and malicious, or playful and humorous, you may trust the intent is the latter. My point is that if life is but a dream, I believe that laughter is the best spice of that life. Live your dreams, laugh, and grin. ;-)

"What's the point of being grown up, if you can't be childish from time-to-time?" -- Tom Baker as 'DOCTOR WHO'

just an allusion | 1 août 2014

@Rocky_H

That is NOT what I said...!

What I said was:

"... not only endorsed but also provided additional input that supported the data initially provided by Strawberry, as well as carried the weight of the conversation thereafter...."

The conversation was opened by the Strawberry alter ego (ae), then conducted thereafter by G_T_F...The Strawberry ae only resurfaced for one(1) post thereafter and only after I insinuated troll behavior was at play.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it MUST be a duck!

Remnant | 1 août 2014

The concern of the OP appears legitimate to me: a luxury car maker should not knowingly cause inconvenience or distress to the car users. So, here are the solutions I have deemed achievable, either by the user or by Tesla.

(1) It stands to reason that any user should expect any metal object exposed to direct sunlight for a fairly long time to become uncomfortably hot to touch. Thus, for improvised solutions, it would be fairly easy to protect the hand that reaches for the handle with any heat insulating material, such as a glove, a handkerchief, a string loop, etc.

(2) For a more permanent protection, a heat insulating laquer would preserve the esthetics of the chrome polish, while mere paint would make the retracted handles indistinguishable from the rest of the door surface (many, if not most, cars I see around have painted handles). Alternately, just the inside of the handles could be coated (by Tesla as an option, or by the owner) with rubber or some other heat insulating material.

(3) A more "luxury" option would be for Tesla to offer handles made entirely of some heat resistant material (Starlite, Zytel,
carbon fiber, etc).

(4) As part of the "keyless entry" option, Tesla could offer an MS version without door handles altogether.

Grinnin'.VA | 1 août 2014

@Remnant:

The concern of the OP appears legitimate to me: a luxury car maker should not knowingly cause inconvenience or distress to the car users.

How about Tesla taking ownership and putting a layer of insulating material on the inside of the handles?

I think that would solve the problem. Why don't they just fix the problem?

Ron :)

Remnant | 1 août 2014

Of course, since the MS entry does not require the handling of the key fob, the last option above should be called something like "handle-free entry option".

Remnant | 1 août 2014

@ Grinnin' (August 1, 2014)

<< How about Tesla taking ownership and putting a layer of insulating material on the inside of the handles? >>

Agree. It would be the simplest solution, by far.

just an allusion | 1 août 2014

@Remnant

In regards to your fourth suggestion, handle-less entry vehicles have proven to be considerably less secure than a conventional locking system mechanism given their receptivity to electrical current that could be applied via something as complex as a stun gun or as simple as a stripped wire end of an extension cord plugged into a convenient outlet.

Sure, it's cool on those concept and customized cars, but their owners don't leave them unattended.

Remnant | 1 août 2014

@ just an allusion (August 1, 2014)

<< ... handle-less entry vehicles have proven to be considerably less secure than a conventional locking system mechanism given their receptivity to electrical current that could be applied via something as complex as a stun gun or as simple as a stripped wire end of an extension cord plugged into a convenient outlet. >>

But wouldn't such a trick also be able to unlock the current configuration?

After all, MS cyber locks and the handles extend only after it unlocks. They do not seem to be the locking device itself.

Grinnin'.VA | 1 août 2014

@just an allusion

"Frigging overindulged, self-entitled, elitist mentalities always wanting someone to placate their latest contrived grievance and coddle their fragile egos."

"All of this trivial, trite BS reminds me of a the rantings of spoiled, little brats."

"Why not stop all of this pissing and whining and just grow a pair already, sheesh!"

Please keep your cool. People deserve a bit more respect than these comments show.

Ron :)

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