I can’t get my building to allow me to install any outlets in the garage.

I can’t get my building to allow me to install any outlets in the garage.

Hello, we live in Brickell Key and have a P85+ on order the is delayed a bit due to a horn issue. On final inspection, after arriving in FL they realized that once the horn is pushed it would not shut off. So Tesla gave me a loner for now, and expect to have it fixed in a few days G-d willing.

Our issue is that our building is not allowing us to install any outlets.

Any ideas???

DallasTXModelS | 26 septembre 2013

Do you park in a parking garage?

LiveWGrad | 26 septembre 2013

Yes, in our buildings garage.

LiveWGrad | 26 septembre 2013

And directly above our parking spots, we have all sorts of electric piping. I figured it would not be an issue at all, and one of the concierge reps even told me that they have done this before for a resident.

When i emailed the building manager she said they looked into it but the board did not approve it due to the expense of pulling permits and setting it up. She claimed that it would cost over 100K.

Jamon | 26 septembre 2013

Tell them your horn won't turn off unless its plugged in at night.

Renegade | 26 septembre 2013

Installing a NEMA 14-50 would be sufficient to charge. And if they get it installed and designate a spot for EV charging, they would qualify for the Alternative Fuel Infrastructure Tax Credit.

My parking garage told me that they do not have a policy on EV charging and that I could continue to charge until they come up with some guidance. Its only a 110v outlet, but it replenishes my daily commute miles and there is ChargePoint a couple blocks down the street, so I'm not hurting.

A hotel near me installed a NEMA 14-50 in their parking garage just because a customer asked. Said it didn't cost too much to install.

shop | 26 septembre 2013

Are you renting and/or is it a condo? Does Florida have a law that requires building owners to cooperate in installing EV charging stations? I know California has something like that.

LiveWGrad | 26 septembre 2013

Renegade - Thanks, ill look into that. They were not even willing to allow a 110v outlet.

shop - Its a condo building on Brickell Key in FL

NYC Realtor | 28 septembre 2013

In the meantime until a proper outlet gets approved; how about a really thick extension cord from a different part of of the garage or adjacent room? I did this for a while when I had a similar problem and it still charged 3 to 4 mph at 110 V

mrspaghetti | 28 septembre 2013

"She claimed that it would cost over 100K"

Translation: she is too lazy to inquire about the actual cost and just wants to shut you up.

Sudre_ | 28 septembre 2013

You might want to see if you can get a few contractors to just give you a rough price range to present to her. I am with mrspaghetti. Sounds like no one wants to do the leg work. They just want to keep collecting the condo fees.

I am really surprised there are no 110 volt plugs in the parking structure already. If the place is really old they are probably WAY behind on required code updates so for them to get a permit they may have to update the entire service.

GDH | 28 septembre 2013

I manage several properties and a few garages. There is rarely outlets but however you can tap into light fixtures for power. we normally would not allow residents to do this type of work but asking never hurts, especially if you pay for it.

DJay | 28 septembre 2013

Have you considered a request to meet with the board and address their concerns by agreeing to do all of the leg work and agree to pay the cost of installation and the cost of using the outlet. Getting it on a separate meter might run the cost up a bit.

shop | 28 septembre 2013

If in a condo, then you should go to condo association board and offer to pay for an electrical outlet and/ or new meter install.

grega | 28 septembre 2013

Hey Djay, if metering is an issue, can the tesla report how much it's charged at a given location somehow?

(I'm assuming not)

petero | 29 septembre 2013

My guess, the HOA manager's main concern will not be the expense of installing a 240 outlet (paid by Beny) but being able to determine the power usage and billing. I am sure the HOA would prefer a separate meter, etc. and that can raise the cost (nothing close to $100K).

You may be the first of many such requests. Sooner or later apartment buildings and condos will have to address this issue.

hfcolvin | 29 septembre 2013

Do you own or rent? Depending on the real estate market in your area, a threat to move elsewhere may carry some weight. Also, agree to pay for the permits and installation, thus removing the cost argument. It might cost $1000, but definitely not 100K. Probably wouldn't hurt to make sure they know what the Model S is all about. I can't imagine any building owner not wanting a car that looks like this driving in and out of their garage on a daily basis. Ride alongs are always great motivators!

One of the benefits of the wit times for delivery in the past, I guess, was the cushion to allow for these types of problems to get ironed out.

Lessmog | 29 septembre 2013

@hf; channeling Brian H here: haha, wit times were always the funniest!

holstein13 | 29 septembre 2013

Electric meters are not expensive. I installed an entire pedestal on my dock with an electric meter for under $1,500. Here's an example:|328|2290035|2290043&id=681687

The trick is running a separate 50 amp two phase circuit to the electrical room. That depends on the distance to the electrical room.

carolinagobo | 29 septembre 2013

I own a condo in Brickell Key one Tequesta, the building installed 2 chargers for EV. Florida is a Tea Party state anti-technology, I don't think there is any law that may help.

LiveWGrad | 29 septembre 2013

I just responded asking to talk to the board myself.

Roxanne's Curator | 30 septembre 2013

Seems like those of us who live in multi-family dwellings have an issue we need to help one another with. My 113 unit high rise condo building has a number of owners concerned about the amount of electricity that my Model S will cost them. I have a 110 common area plug adjacent to my spot. My board consulted a condo specialty law firm that advised them that the proper approach for electric vehicles is to require my signature on a four page license agreement which requires me to install a sub meter, purchase liability insurance for $1M and a number of other requirements.

This subject seems worthy of its own blog topic. Since I didn't see a topic on this I will start one.

AmpedRealtor | 30 septembre 2013

@ Beny,

While I am shocked at the behavior of your HOA board, I am also somewhat surprised that you did not investigate this before purchasing the car. Did you submit a request prior to ordering the vehicle, or at least ask?

LiveWGrad | 1 octobre 2013

I did ask one of the concierge reps, and was told that it was not an issue to get it installed.

wcalvin | 2 octobre 2013

Apropos 240v outlet install, tell them to get the orientation right so the cable doesn't curve upward against gravity.

AmpedRealtor | 2 octobre 2013

I hate to ask this, but I'm only trying to help. Is anyone living with you disabled? If so, the HOA must work with you to allow accommodation under the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) so long as the homeowner is footing the bill and will restore the premises to its original condition upon move out. if this is the case, you just need to come up with a reasonable need for the 240v connection that is related to the disability.

Short of that, I would tell the condo association to grant my request or face a lawsuit.