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Performance Plus package

Anyone notice the performance plus package.
Upgraded linkages etc.

$6500

JZ13 | 2 avril 2013

Performance Plus Package

Performance Plus upgrades an already impressive handling car by stiffening key suspension linkages and tuning dampers to increase lateral stiffness without compromising ride. 21" wheels with wider rear rims and Michelin Pilot Sport SP2 tires channel these improvements to the road. The result is nothing short of amazing-light, responsive steering with minimal body roll. It's a performance junkie's perfect daily driver

JZ13 | 2 avril 2013

It's been known that Elon's personal car was a test for these upgrades. I wonder if there will be an option for current owners to get this upgrade.

Energize | 2 avril 2013

@JZ13 - Ditto. I just barely got the car last week! This is a real bummer. I really hope they prepare something for existing owners. Like a rim trade in or something?

shop | 2 avril 2013

Would be nice to be able to get an upgrade for existing cars. That is the one fault I have with my S, is body roll.

Pbfoot | 2 avril 2013

Agree, I have P85 with 21" wheels, and despite the advantages of low center of gravity, the car does have a higher degree of body roll than I would like when making quick lane change maneuvers or cornering. Starts to feel just a little unstable at very high speeds. Didn't see this option when I got my car, although not sure it's worth that much money to me personally.

torst1 | 2 avril 2013

When I go to "MyTesla" I see that I have the option to add this performance package. And if I do add it the red mark on the active air suspension turns grey.

So what does that mean? Can I have Performance package with the active air suspension or will the Performance package mean I do not have active air suspension?

There are lots of ways to insure stiffer suspension and less body rolls. One way is to tighten up all linkage in suspension - often done by adding those small suspension bushes made from Polyurethane rather then those standard soft rubber ones that often ship with a car.

Polyurethane Bushes
Pulpit rock

I struggle to understand if this Performance Package is like a complete set of coilovers, or if Tesla will tighten the active air suspension? While I enjoy speeding blitzing fast at curvy roads as much as the next guy I also learned to value everyday comfort - and I thought I was making the right choice by choosing active air suspension - cause those will let med choose a mode that suits my mood or driving style.

Seeing this performance package I am not sure what to go for.
Maybe if someone understand what Tesla means by "Performance package" you could explain this to me - like you would explain it to a 4 year old child.

lph | 2 avril 2013

It seems to me that Active air suspension is part of the package because it is still checked. It is just that you cannot un check it. So the ride should still be good.

christurbeville | 2 avril 2013

I hate to say it but I'd buy it:) I have a decked out P85 and love it but if there's a performance lack versus my M5 its the crisp turn-in. Not that the low CG as others have mentioned means it wallows but it still takes a bit to come around. Also anyone else think a little plus sizing on the rears would help push her into corners?

gimp_dad | 2 avril 2013

Definitely agree on rear tires/wheels. Feels a bit squirrelly on high speed turns with all that wait loaded onto the rear tires. If there is a way to get a SW upgrade to the perf+ package for the suspension of my perf that would be nice but first thing would be just to upgrade the rear rims and tires to the new set.

Anyone yet know what size the new wider rear tires will be?

prytog | 2 avril 2013

weight weight, don't tell me

gimp_dad | 2 avril 2013

*weight*

Thanks for correcting before BrianH :-)

prytog | 2 avril 2013

@gimp_dad
BrianH is a kick
I couldn't help myself
I'm lurking here at the forum(s),
more now that my VIN date grows near (...waiting for my red MS)

gimp_dad | 2 avril 2013

prytog, you're going to love the car. It's truly a modern miracle and a kick to drive. I have now had mine for 8 months and still love to drive it every time I get in. I have several cars and avoid driving all of them whenever I possibly can. It's amazing how simultaneously versatile and fun it is to drive.

Brian H | 2 avril 2013

torst;
one post only, please.

jeroens | 3 avril 2013

Info I received after emailing tesla customer care (EU):

We are delighted to offer an additional Performance upgrade for Model S. This option further enhances vehicle suspension and driving dynamics.
This option will be available soon. The availability of a retrofit for vehicles that have already been configured and booked is pending. Details to follow.

Performance Plus, Pricing: to be announced shortly

The Performance Plus suspension tune was developed with the driver in mind. The re-tuned dampers add a very comfortable, yet firm ride that help to transform the Model S into a driver’s car. The dampers work with an updated rear suspension, which boasts an array of new bushings that increase the lateral stiffness and help to spice up the back of the car without compromising comfort. The steering response comes as a direct effect of the dampers and bushings, reducing the delay between the driver input and the vehicle response. This brings you more in tune to your Tesla, and the road beneath it. To tie your Model S Performance Plus to the road, the 21” wheels are wrapped in larger Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires on the rear, which helps the driver unleash what the Model S Performance Plus is truly capable of; precision handling that allows the driver to maintain a desired trajectory without any correction.

Below is a list of upgraded components and how they help to create the Model S Performance Plus:

Stabilizer Bars – In a typical “performance car”, large stabilizer bars can corrupt the steering and degrade the ride; but not in Model S Performance Plus. Thanks to our low center of gravity, we have increased the stabilizer bar size front and rear without the negative side effects, allowing greater body control and more predictable handling.

Damping – Tesla’s philosophy on damping is to maintain good handling behavior with good control, while also adhering to a supple ride. The damping characteristics available on the Performance Plus help to bring feedback from the road to the driver to enhance your driving experience, but still manages to encompass road undulations with ease.

Bushings – Tesla focused their attention on increasing lateral stiffness at the rear suspension to improve steering and overall vehicle response. This has been achieved by new and improved compliance characteristics throughout the suspension, thus allowing the springs and dampers to work more efficiently.

Tires – Performance Plus sports new Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires on a wider rear wheel, which allows its higher performance threshold to take advantage of the improved lateral stiffness of the car.

I know that there are still information pending, but as soon as we have them, I will get back to you and send them to you.

AndrewM | 3 avril 2013

Seems like a comparatively small number of components to justify the $6.5k price tag. Anyone care to guesstimate how much margin Tesla makes on this upgrade?

jkirkebo | 3 avril 2013

The price tag is only $3k as it includes the $3.5k 21" grey wheels.

lph | 3 avril 2013

I believe there is $3500 of that in the 21" wheels and tires. So real cost is more like $3000.

torst1 | 3 avril 2013

@jkirkebo

While there is 3rd parties that offers Polyurethane bushes like powerflex et.al you have to take into account that if you do find a company that offers bushes that will fit your Tesla you still need to pay a garage hourly rate to retrofit them onto you car - not to mention the cost of a wider set of rear rims and a wider set of rear tires. I think the price of 6.500 is fair. And I fur sure will get this performance package. Think of it as M-package from BMW or the AMG package for Mercedes.

As always when you purchase something stock on a car you pay a premium - take the sat-nav and stereo on most cars. If you shill out the same amount of money on a quality aftermarket set you probably get more bang for you bucks. Looking only on navigation or sound quality might be better then the factory option, but it also make your car NOT in original state.

I think it is fine to pay some extra $ for a broader option list. Heck I would pay even more to have other options like AWD, ventilated seats, etc.
By adding things as an option I will enjoy my car more, I will have the pleasure of knowing the car is still in original state and finally it will probably make the easier to sell when that day arrive. And also by paying a little extra for the added options you help Tesla better their bottom line and that is a great thing.

Energize | 3 avril 2013

If the final cost is $3000 for the upgrade, then what do you do with the current REAR tires/wheels (they are WIDER in the Perf Plus Pkg)? Trade them in to Tesla?

Energize | 3 avril 2013

@torst1 Good point. If it is more like an M or AMG package, then I wonder if the rear emblems would be updated as well to signify this. Not sure what it would be...PP85? P85+? (assuming that the configuration is a P85 model)

shop | 3 avril 2013

I'll be doing this upgrade when it becomes available!

gimp_dad | 3 avril 2013

@shop
Count me in too. Nice to see that they are working on a retro-fit version of it. I wonder if the price will be similar (not including the extra rims). I also wonder if the rolling circumference will be the same for the new rear tires and rims. If so, they will have to be even lower profile tires (like 30's or 25's) in order to be wider.

I am also wondering if they are only going to offer the wheels in grey. I have the perf package with the silver rims. If the perf+ is only offered in grey I will have to get rid of a whole set rather than just the rears.

Darn, now I have another thing to wait for...

ylyubarsky | 3 avril 2013

The upgrade is $ 6,500 and you are not getting a penny back. I spoke to a customer service today. The upgrade just take your wheels and tires for free and give you this package for $ 6,500. I don't think it's worth it.

ylyubarsky | 3 avril 2013

I meant TM ( not upgrade ) , sorry for misprint.

torst1 | 3 avril 2013

@ylyubarsky
Well would you buy a BMW without the M-package?
I for sure would not. And when you one day will sell your car it will be much easier to sell for good money if you get the performance package. Cause others will pay extra for a true drivers car.

christurbeville | 3 avril 2013

So no core charge on existing sway bars or bushings? If so I'd keep my rears myself as replacements for the front right? Also another fun twist how does the wheel and tire policy map:) Hope it applies after up sizing the rears.

lolachampcar | 3 avril 2013

I'm currently working on upper suspension arms to reduce negative camber in the rear of the car. I've enjoyed being able to swap tires front to rear to help manage inside shoulder wear and use up all four tires evenly before replacing (with another brand).

The bushings have been a real pain and I have considered using after market parts. It will be interesting to see what Tesla is using. Having different sized rims would only increase my tire bill and thus is less appealing. Increased dampening would be nice and increased diameter on the sway bars is a no-brainer.

Brian H | 3 avril 2013

gimp;
That's not a retrofit, that's configured but not yet built.

jeroens;
Informative letter. But it may interest you to know it was written in English by a non-native speaker. "there are still information pending, but as soon as we have them, I will get back to you and send them to you." 'information' is a noun with no plural. There are no "informations", so the writer cannot send "them" to you.

torst1 | 3 avril 2013

Energize

Badges are so not cool. Bimmers with M badges are - well lame.
If you got it no need to flaunt it :)

JZ13 | 3 avril 2013

@torst1 - to each their own. I think the badges are cool. My observation is that most who have removed their badges usually have the lowest version of that model of car. i.e., I regularly see the base 3 series bimmer with the badge removed. It's almost as if they don't want anyone to know they have the starter model. But you can tell by looking at the tires, trim kits, etc. that it is the base model.

torst1 | 3 avril 2013

Well whatever keeps the smile on your face. It is your car.
Keep it any way you like. For me I like the no badge route.

jeroens | 3 avril 2013

@Brian

Interesting, Came from Tesla UK and the name sounded english, but "information are pending" seemed wrong to me (Information is pending)…
Anyhow She was quick to react and always been a great help. Nothing but kudos to the UK Ownership Experience Advocate(s)...

eelton | 3 avril 2013

This would be a lot more desirable if they paired it with sport seats, so you wouldn't be sliding around while using all that cornering capability.

Hodne | 3 avril 2013

Eelton: Could not agree more. Maybe the upcoming "right under your nose" announcement?

gmcnabb | 4 avril 2013

Yea it clearly says "wider rims" in the rear. My friend at Tesla did say that it improves 0-60 by half a second. Just wonder if they will give you any credit for the current rims on your car.

gimp_dad | 4 avril 2013

@gmcnabb Does your friend have any detail on the actual size of the rear rims and tires? I am really going to have to find a way to get this upgraded on my existing P85 :-)

PaceyWhitter | 4 avril 2013

I haven't heard many people complain of wheel slippage on good roads so why would wider tires lower the 0-60.

Unless the ESC is so unobtrusive that it is limiting power to prevent slipping and people aren't even noticing it.

christurbeville | 4 avril 2013

I always see the ESC trip when I punch it. Another 10-20 on the width and as others mentioned lower profile will certainly help the 0-60. I was stunned to see no stagger on the MS. I'm with lola too high-end bushings do remarkable things for a cars feel. But they wear out faster so I suspect that's why they erred on the side of endurance. Lola's pics from the mall display also show that sway bar is puny.

andrewket2 | 8 avril 2013

UPDATE as of 4/8/2013 - 7pm Eastern

Tesla just reversed their pricing decision for those of us who finalized under 2012 pricing with vehicles that are still open to order modifications who wish to add the performance plus package. Previously, Tesla had stated that while they would honor 2012 pricing, the performance plus package would still cost $6,500, effectively asking us to pay for 21" wheels twice (21" wheels were included in the 2012 performance package.) After a bunch of back and forth with Tesla today, I just received verbal and email confirmation that for those of us in this situation, the performance plus package can be added for a discounted price of $3,000. I've added it to my order.

If you're in this situation and had previously been told the plus package would be $6,500 and want the perf plus package, I'd call/email immediately.

Andrew

JaneW | 8 avril 2013

Told I can't add it because car is being built. If they won't rebate for the existing wheels, I'll fight. If I lose, I'll keep them and put snow tires on them. They should have done this in the first place for the Performance model, like the difference between the Roadster and the Roadster Sport.

Brian H | 8 avril 2013

How can they add suspension modifications to a car already on the line? If it's deadly urgent, sell the car you get and place a new order. It only takes a month or two to get delivery now.

ppape | 9 avril 2013

andrewket,

The discounted price of $3,000 for people waiting for their cars with 2012 pricing is simply not true. Just got off the phone with the Tesla order specialist and they are not able to honor that price. They said the cost is the full $6,500 for the performance plus package.

DC@Tesla | 10 avril 2013

They told me full $6500 too, NO discount.

Brian H | 10 avril 2013

Demand both paid-for sets of 21s. >:)

kublai | 10 avril 2013

For those wanting more details as to what is included in the P+ look below. As for a discount, there doesn't appear to be one since you're getting a complete new set of 21" wheels/tires. Also the cost for retrofit is 9500.

I received confirmation today regarding the upgraded performance plus. It will come with the following items:

2 x Rear lower control arms with revised stiffer bushings
2 x Rear upper links with revised stiffer bushings
2 x 21" x 8.5" front wheels with 245/35R21 Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires
2 x 21" x 9" rear wheels with 265/35R21 Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires

This confirms that you will get a second set of wheels and tires. The price is $9500 installed including an alignment and TPMS sensors.

Runar | 10 avril 2013

@Kublai

I can see how on the retrofit, you'll get a complet New set of tires and rims. I understand Tesla wont take Your used in return.
I Guess the $3000 extra is for these tires/rims.

However, I dont think you'll get double up when you order the performance plus at $6500 on a New car? They would be better off lowering the price, than forcing doulde set of tires?

Then, I should on my standard Performance plus get 19" and the 21"?
That would be excellent though, as I need a set of Winter tires.. but I dont think this will be the case?

BYT | 10 avril 2013

I hope they still offer the upgrade after a couple years when my tires would need replacing anyway?

gimp_dad | 10 avril 2013

Was kind of hoping they would go wider on rears. Would love to see 305/30r21. Probably bumping up against the limit in width clearance. Or maybe 30 profile is too problematic with TPMS.

BYT | 10 avril 2013

I would also wait for the sensors to go in before my Model S' butt got any bigger... :)

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