Just saw tweet announcing new Gigafactory near Berlin. Probably will take longer than 168 days to build, I would bet!
where did you see the tweet?
Several sources announced it on Twitter, also just a few minutes ago, Elon tweeted, “Giga Berlin”.
Elon mentioned it an event in Germany.
Tesla is growing and working on bringing safe, conflict-free, competition-surpassing, sustainable, pollution-free automobiles to the world!
Southeast of Berlin. Design engineering. Model Y. 2021. Hiring personnel!
An interesting comment on Autoline Daily was that if you think the Model 3 is selling well in Germany, a country that historically prides itself on buying their own cars, just wait until German built Tesla's are available............
That's a good point!
So, until additional lines are added to the GF3 and (proposed) GF4 factories, they will still have to ship S, X, and, Y's from Fremont to China, and, S, X, and, 3's to Germany.
I don't know what the market in Germany is like but is the Y the most competitive vehicle to what's currently available there?
Could Sbeggs and Teslatap get together to combine their individual threads??? :)
@Teslatap, let's team up!
Grunheide, small village near Berlin, with rail crossing, Autobahn, near unfinished Berlin airport.
Sorry about that - I didn't see your post before I wrote mine. Since there are now comments on my thread, I hesitate to delete it. I expect both posts will slide off into he sunset in a few days :)
You are right. We won't worry about it then.
The Model S and X will always be built in Fremont and exported. Relative to the Model 3 and forthcoming Model Y, the S and X are niche vehicles. They were not designed nor built to be inexpensive to build and there is more profit in them. So Tesla can afford to export them.
Tweet referring to German minister statement:
Begin construction 1Q 2020
Begin manufacturing spring 2021
Deliveries summer 2021
The German GF actually makes sense given Tesla's recent partnership with Daimler AG on their Smart EQ fortwo cars and German's relatively centralized location in the region makes them ideal manufacturers for the European market.
That's a really good point.
Tweet per supercharge.info,
GF4 land contract ready for signing, work could begin as early as January 2020.
Bankwupcy for sure!
I bet this time next year, China factory will be at maximum production rate, and Berlin factory will be stockpiling cars for Q42020 deliveries.
On that note, turns out there were 5000 deliveries in china last month that no one knew about.
I would love to see Berlin come online as fast as Shanghai, have my doubts. I don't think replicating Giga3 factory build will be the new norm. China does not have same regulations as other parts in the western world.
Andy, all those 5000+ cars were imported into China, correct?
I wonder where all the truckloads of cars seen leaving GF3 were headed and when those cars will start being delivered.
Oh i didnt even think to read up on that haha, im not sure.
ya it looks like that was imported inventory. Nevermind!!!!
That's still close to a record monthly number for China deliveries, soon to be eclipsed by GF3 in a big way.
Tesla pulling off a new factory within less then a year is a miracle by itself, a year ago people were claiming this to be impossible. The stock is soaring because on Q4 call it is expected Tesla to outline expected Giga3 output.
As i posted earlier, Berlin will not be as fast as Shanghai, it will be really fast for European standards tho.
No doubt that cutting red tape and a fast build out were part of the decision to locate near Berlin and the negotiations beforehand.
No doubt that was part of it, cutting red tape. Just constructing 24/7 is likely none negotiable in Europe due to many reasons.
What, no second or third shifts in Deutschland?
Next thing we'll hear is that they want 2 or 3 weeks off for Oktoberfest next year.
"...Just constructing 24/7 is likely none negotiable in Europe due to many reasons."
Ya, one of those reason would be that commercial trucks are not allowed on the Autobahn on Sundays. I don't know is that applies to secondary roads though.
Be optimized, seems your MO.
I am an optimist if that's what you meant.
Although I am pretty efficient too.
I don't know whether you've ever actually been to Oktoberfest or not, but it takes "2 or 3 weeks" just to recuperate (or at least it did for me), though I imagine that the locals would likely have a higher tolerance so maybe not.
It's on my bucket list, right after Scotland to visit a distillery or ten.
I think the German Giga4 will go up at a ~record pace for Europe, but as others noted, it won't be as quick as Shanghai. Just for starters, there's about a million scrubby trees to get rid of. Not as simple as the barren so called "swamp" that Giga3 was built in/on. Right now, they're scanning for WWII era explosives. Then there will be deforestation, then the blitz build can commence. At least they will have the playbook pretty well written for this one. The machine that builds the machine can be replicated!
Germans are efficient, the site's trees are literally a tree farm; probably shall be removed in less than a week.
Here's a nice little video tour, on the site. Imagine...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yIZOrasvk0
Removed and replanted elsewhere...Gotta respect the environment.
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If you hit the Scottish distilleries before Oktoberfest you'll never make it to Oktoberfest (though I can't determine whether that would be a 'good' or a 'bad' thing).
I'll let you know when I wake up. Seriously though, it most likely won't be "right after", they're just both on the list.
...and an update from Teslarati......https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gigafactory-4-deforestation-groundbreaki...
Update from TESMANIAN.......https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/gigafactory-4-forest-dron...
Contract signed allegedly.
From Tesla Motors Club article, construction to begin this March, Model Y first off the line.
When it comes to the speed of the factory's construction I'm waiting to see how German precision stacks up against Chinese efficiency, afterall, the Chinese got it up and running in just 168 days!
That's an impressive accomplishment.
Trees felled and stacked in piles. Environmental group brings site clearing to halt.
Efficiently built doesn't necessarily mean well built. Only time will tell. Look at bridges here in the U.S. Over the years bridges that were designed/built relatively quick using the latest design technology that end up collapsing. Then you have steel girder bridges like GWB that have been around for well over 100 years.
Well, it does seem somewhat counterintuitive for a company whose very business model is the development and production of alternative energy methodologies designed to transition the world OFF of carbon-based fuel usage to improve the overall ecology of our environment, our oceans, our lives, our world, to be pushed into clearing a couple acres of a forest plot just to build one of their factories INSTEAD of being offered one of the several shuttered and vacant business / factory properties scattered all about Germany, don't you think?
Who knows, despite all that they might have to say in their advertisements, perhaps Germany isn't really all that interested in actually pursuing emissions-free transportation or working to enable the transition to actual carbon-neutrality?:
Especially when they've already shown such promise in the adoption of renewable-produced energy:
Or maybe it's just that they're more so interested in doubling down on their legacied, natural gas-based investments by developing technology that'll enable the extraction of hydrogen from it for use as fuel in their cars?:
Whichever the reason it might eventually turn out to be I'll still find it highly unethical for Germany to have insisted that Tesla use a swath of forest land for Giga-4 when part of Tesla's goals are to save them.
A good point, then there is also what our country's definition of "well built" is versus what China's is, though I will say that China, one of the oldest civilizations on our planet, has historically chosen to ensure the longevity of their endeavors whatever they might be.
As you've said, "time will tell".
I guess VW, BMW and MB are just too embedded with the petroleum industry to want actual change to a sustainable, emission-free, carbon-neutral form of transportation power.
Perhaps Denmark, Norway, or maybe Sweden, would be a more...suitable...place for Giga-4?