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Elon's first Martian City, what should it be called ? How about ...

Elon's first Martian City, what should it be called ? How about ...

How about..."Elonia" ? It sounds otherworldly. And "Elon Musk / Elonia" follows the " Alexander the Great / Alexandria " meme.

PorfirioR | 27 août 2013

"Alpha"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbase_Alpha_%28Space:_1999%29

I know it doesn't sound very imaginative, but I can almost guarantee you that, like me, Elon was inspired to dream by that television show (full episodes on youtube: http://youtu.be/0cq7isloJj8). It had tube travel, renewable energy, etc. All in the mid 1970s. It was like Inception for us "of a certain age" who have been waiting for base alpha since then. Ok, turning geek-mode off...

Tesluthian | 27 août 2013

I can imagine a lot of possibilities for martian city names, just make sure all martian cities are connected by martian hyperloops from day one !

Any of our forumn readers working on the Martian version of the hyperloop yet ? Natural low air pressure up there, that's good for hyperloops no ?

Just think everyone on earth will know the name of the first martian city, (maybe Alpha),.

Does anyone know the name of the first earth city ?

Timo | 27 août 2013

Yes, that would be "Grunt". That name was uttered by first human settlement leader when they found perfect place to set fire with good hunting grounds around and there were no sabretooth lions or cave bears nearby.

Tesluthian | 28 août 2013

I would think the first Earth city was "Eden", since in the bible Adam & Eve lived in the "Garden of Eden". Which begs the question who was Eden ? Anyone know ?

Brian H | 28 août 2013

Didn't watch Moonbase Alpha while it ran, but from what I can see of episode 1, the science was mostly delusional.

Timo | 28 août 2013

If you forget the episode variable "sciences" like that "explosion to change moon orbit" then rest were not that bad.

Timo | 28 août 2013

@Tesluthian, garden of Eden was run by Loki, he got kicked out of there after the Ukko Ylijumala figured out that he made an "forbidden fruit" -trick to mess with humans. Zeus consulted Ukko that what should be done with Loki and it was decided that he should be given to Asgard court as step-brother to Thor because Odin had wished to have another brother.

Timo | 28 août 2013

Make that son, not brother. Eden was obviously wife of Yahweh. Probably her second name, because her given name, Asherah, was too difficult to pronounce by humans. She was written off the Bible after, I think, revision 200, right after they had molted the two creation stories from different sources.

Tesluthian | 28 août 2013

Timo,

I've heard of Thor & Odin, recognize Loki from a movie; the rest sounds like a totally unread "prequel to the Adam & Eve Story" from the Northsmen/Vikings to me. Someone missing seems to be "Michael the Archangel" he should be in there somewhere, he's more less the Hans Solo of the heavens, "Star Wars" style, battling the evil empire.

Paul Carter | 28 août 2013

"New Earth" kinda has a fun ring to it!

Timo | 28 août 2013

More like Jar Jar Binks than Han Solo in this set of mythical creatures. While that second message was written a bit tongue in the cheek, it is based on facts. There were "Gods wife" in early Jew mythology and the two creation stories are collected from two different sources. Bible is no more real than Silmarillion is real. If there is a "god" it can't be such a tiny creature Bible represents him. It can't be anything resembling any religion.

Timo | 28 août 2013

Terra Nova. Wait, that is used in TV series. I know, Weight Watchers heaven. That's it.

Brian H | 29 août 2013

Timo;
About the science, it was when they discovered the nuclear waste dumped on the Moon was emitting the dreaded "Magnetic Radiation" that I concluded the writers were just making S** up.

Timo | 29 août 2013

It's a bit like Star Trek "particle of the day". If you don't pay attention of the what's the days problem, and pay attention to design and "everyday space problems", they got those right enough.

But yes, it is mostly just fantasy and badly outdated (computers especially are hilarious in that). Very few space series got their facts right. Babylon 5 is close, but even that has severe errors every now and then (main problem: sounds in space).

Brian H | 29 août 2013

City: Elonsium? Ahayweh? (Abandon ...)

Surface domes are not necessarily the best way to go; tunnels into some of the huge cliff faces?

Tesluthian | 29 août 2013

Elonthra, Elontioch, Elontiem, Elonatopia, Elonotopia, Elontera, Elondom, Elontricity, Elonicity, Elonthion, Elondipity, & Elonatious.

Timo, for some reason modern religion Gods don't have sex, thus no wives either. Although I did find one movie, where the angel Michael, (played by John Travolta),did have sex at about the 8 minute mark in link. This however seems to be the exception, rather than the rule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djTepJfZv_o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Timo | 29 août 2013

That's religion trying to survive with modern world. Anybody with half-brain can see that "some guy" is not sufficient as god (unfortunately apparently there are huge bunch of people with less than half-brain).

Hm, martian rocks have formed in lesser gravity, maybe they are less dense than Earth equivalents. At least until you stumble to metals. Underground settlement probably works best. Domes for vegetation more than living.

Main problem I see in terraforming Mars is it's thin atmosphere. You not only need to change it's composition, you need to make it thicker.

dz4 | 30 août 2013

How about just 'Musk'.
Although, to be fair to actually get anything like a earth comparable city on mars there are at least two major challenges to overcome that could be thought of already, potentially as challenging as reusable rockets -
1. How to sustain humans for long periods of time given the high and lethal radiation environment.
2. How to terraform mars.
If such a vision is to be successful it will be thanks to a few more smart people to come later & find solutions to these problems as well as others problems. So the first city on mars could be rightfully named after an innovator we don't know the name of yet, though you can't role out he/she might be born already.

Haeze | 30 août 2013

I think it should be named Rekall, in honour of the (original) Total Recall movie ;)

Tesluthian | 1 septembre 2013

More Martian City name ideas.

Cinnabar (red pigment) or other words for red.

Elon Angeles or "Los Elongeles".

New Age: Newmanity.

Astro-physics: Galactica.

Or how about "Solar City" ? Good advertising for Elon's other company, do they do inter-planetary installations ?

alcassfast | 1 septembre 2013

Tesla

alcassfast | 1 septembre 2013

Nikola was from there.

Timo | 1 septembre 2013

Solar City would be more appropriate to Cloud City in Venus. But obviously that just must have name "Cloud City".

Maybe "Hope", as in "We still have some hope of better and more civilized tomorrow".

Maybe "Port Lowell"?

Tesluthian | 1 septembre 2013

Let's see how about combining some of your ideas:
New Earth + Hope +Alpha =
"New Hope Alpha"

Brian H | 1 septembre 2013

Rust Bowl.

Tesluthian | 2 septembre 2013

Brian,

Rust ? How about Io, (short for iron oxide).

I like Elonsium; but with a different meaning.

Elonsium definition:
1) Gynasium for the mind.
2) Name of a school on Mars that uses Elon teaching & learning principles.

So a back to school sale on Mars would be called a
"Back to Elonsium sale".

On the rust theme , I could go for "Oxidacious", assuming oxidation is causing the red color.

Wingtip vortex | 4 septembre 2013

To tesluthian: the first earth city which could be called a city was Rome.

Timo | 4 septembre 2013

Rome is quite modern. There are several high cultures older than Rome, including some completely wiped out African cultures that build cities. Nobody really knows what the first city was called. Even here in Finland we have permanent settlements older than Rome, but ancient Finnish people build their settlements from wood which doesn't preserve well. All I know there could have been first city right here.

For example of Mediterranean cultures at least Athens predate Rome quite a bit. Another one: THIS IS SPARTA!

Brian H | 4 septembre 2013

Was that a link? Ur and China and SE Asia might like to put in a claim or two.

Timo | 4 septembre 2013

(no, just :-P). Oldest Maya towns/cities also predate Rome.

One thing which makes Rome special was their engineers. For example their concrete was better than modern concrete, scientist just recently found out why it was so good. Heron of Alexandria was Roman (Creek living in Alexandria which was part of the Rome at that time). I sometimes wonder if he would have made the short mental connection with his syringe-device and steam devices to build first true steam engine, what would the world look like today. He was so close.

First inhabitants in Mars will be engineers and scientists. Alexandria? Or New Alexandria? Geek City?

Tesluthian | 5 septembre 2013

Wings,

Will give you a consolation point. Rome maybe was among the first Italian Cities/City States; probably the first city capital of Italy. I could be wrong, perhaps our Italian readers/nationals/enthusiats could enlighten us some on that.

Timo,

New Alexandria sounds classy. In the same format, if more Nikoli Tesla accolades were desired, how about use alcassfast's Tesla + your's for "Teslandria" : the all electric Martian City. (Also good advertising for Tesla!).

Brian,

Rust is big on Mars

For your rustic tastes:

Rustspheria, Rustoleum would pay some bucks for that one, especially if you make them the official Mars paint, "Guaranteed not to let metal rust, even on Mars ! ".

Terra Rustica, Roustabout. For more international flavor, Rusthiem, Rusthua, Rustiki, Rust Musklandia, Rustski, etc.

Rustic Book of Terms

Will need people to do very important grunt work/ field work, like work & maintain the the Martiin Solar farms, Hyperloops, etc like roustabouts or rednecks on earth, only we could call them "Rust Necks".

Nerds who teach at the Elonsium: "Rust Heads".

dz4,

Sounds like a good thread idea, "How to terraform Mars ?"

For a Martian city name, Muskalar/Muskgalore has a sci-fy feel to it.

PorfirioR | 5 septembre 2013

How about "Katharine"? I will let you have fun figuring out the reference.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of Mars is already mapped and named. Therefore, if the first city is in the area of Cydonia (for example), it might be more appropriate to call it Cydonia Colony. I know... no fun.

Brian H | 5 septembre 2013

Elon has stated he never has named or will name any of his companies or ventures after himself.

AtlantaCourier | 7 septembre 2013

Muskadonia
Muskland
Muskville
Muskavania
Muskany
Muskia
Muskafornia
Rio de Muskanero
Muskingham
Muskadelphia
Muskarus
Muskateria
Muskerdale
Muskonia
Musk Ratlove
Musk Acres
Muskanopolis

But if I could only submit one, I think it would be:

Musk or Consequences

Ouija | 8 septembre 2013

Muskytown

Brian H | 8 septembre 2013

A. Elon isn't going to colonize Mars, just make it possible for others to do so.
B. He won't name anything for himself.

That's all, folks.

Timo | 9 septembre 2013

A. don't be so sure ;-P
B. That doesn't prevent other people doing that.

But I think in the end Elon will have just small part of humankind evolving into true interplanetary species.

Brian H | 9 septembre 2013

Well, if he succeeds in developing re-usable rockets, it will be transformative. 3 orders of mag cost reduction to orbit is BIG.

Timo | 9 septembre 2013

AFAIK that's practically done. Grasshopper definitely works, next is to safely slow it down from orbital speeds before landing.

Brian H | 10 septembre 2013

Yes, not a trivial "next", of course!

PXChanel | 30 septembre 2013

Alset.

or

Nole
Ksum
X Ledom
S Ledom

TeslaRocks | 2 octobre 2013

Brian H: Rust Bowl.

Good one. That made me think: New Rust Belt, in memory of the industrial heartland of the US and the auto industry that lost a lot of ground there, with maybe a wink to Tesla. But that's getting too cerebral.

Tesluthian: Elonsium

To me, it sounds like an asylum for out of this world grand lunatics who were hopelessly ambitious on Earth and had to be removed.

All those names can tickle our tummies, but I hope none make it to the short list.

Don't be so sure that Mars will remain rusty forever. It should first be explored, but I think one part of making in inhabitable will be to give it more of an atmosphere, which in part will require dusting some asteroid crumbles over its surface to increase the planet's mass (throwing towards Mars a lot of rock from the asteroid belt a little higher up). Besides, if there is someday an atmosphere and water flowing on Mars, the rust will likely get washed down to the ocean and used up by plants so there will be none left to be seen and the future inhabitants might wonder why anyone settled on an idiotic name having to do with rust.

Oh oh oh, how about Musk's Rust? Very hard to say but another tummy tickler.

All I hope is that names on Mars are not as redundant as names in the US. Will everyone be present at the meeting in Springfield, this week-end?

TeslaRocks | 2 octobre 2013

Bottom line, just like a new baby, a place is best named after looking at it for a while and giving it some thought right there and then rather than deciding beforehand, in my opinion. But brainstorming in preparation is healthy nonetheless.

EvaP | 2 octobre 2013

He wanted to start with potted plants. Let's call it Potted Plant Town.

TeslaRocks | 2 octobre 2013

@EvaP
Yeah, makes me think of a very over-the-top science fair project. So maybe call it "The Science Fair Booth". First prize.

EvaP | 3 octobre 2013

BrianH, some part of Earth, like Arizona, is still "rusty". Only parts where plants grow and produce humus, are darker. My guess is, Earth used to look just like Mars does today.

Brian H | 3 octobre 2013

More likely the reverse.

dz4 | 4 octobre 2013

@Tesluthian,
On the terraform issue, this is of course highly speculative and sci-fi stuff (if it doesn't outright break laws of physics) -

from my current understanding you have a huge challenge that Mars does not have a magnetic field.
So the solar wind interacts directly with the atmosphere, and erodes it over time. So you will need to build a sufficient atmosphere to begin with, perhaps by importing hyrocarbons from the astroid belt, spreading them into orbit and hopefully not crash anything too big into the planet. You will might also need to keep importing hyrocarbons every few years because the solar wind will keep taking it away. Anyway Mars will probably be a regular-maintenance planet.

On the radiation issue, perhaps genetic modifications to humans to make them more robust to radiation? also speculated on a kind of artificial magnetic field around a space-craft or Marian city. If you have a highly conducting coil, you could create a huge inductor as protection, as a small version of the earths magnetic field. Perhaps with improvements in mass production of graphene?

Again, this is just sci-fi speculation. Feel free to break it.

JHM | 4 octobre 2013

Teslandia

Timo | 5 octobre 2013

dz4, for the reasons you mentioned, I believe living in Mars will be mostly underground. Radiation is an issue but solar wind stealing atmosphere not so much, Mars has lost part of its atmosphere in long long time and it still has some, so maintaining that atmosphere (once it had been done) should not be that hard.

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