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Gilroy Super Charger Use!

This evening we pulled in to the Gilroy Superchargers to top off our Pearl w/pano S.
Almost immediately, another Pearl w/Pano pulled in. It turned out that this helpful gent took delivery with us on 12/30 and we shared the tour.
But wait! there's more!
While we are talking, another Pearl w pano pulls in to charge- so we had the three lined up!

Well, I had some SC problems, so these guys had left, and with in a minute or two, two black MS's pull in!

Wow! all in a very short time frame... that was pretty exciting for us and nice to see the SC stations getting good use.

It also explains why Gilroy area lights dimmed for a while! :)

William9 | 12 février 2013

A Tesla employee at the Scottsdale store said he overheard his regional manager saying that 3 sites for AZ would be on-line in next couple of months; Kingman, Blythe, Yuma. Here's hoping!

GoTeslaChicago | 12 février 2013

"Brian H | FEBRUARY 11, 2013 NEW
bfranks;
As long as Solar City is happy (i.e., making a marginal ROI equivalent to their other ventures), who cares where the arrays are? Or what they produce?"

I think I've figured out how Tesla can offer super charging for free based on 100% solar electric production. Certainly solar is not free, in fact it is still on average higher cost than traditional electricity.

However, the words "on average" is the key. With marginal electricity rates near $.34 kWh for many in California, and perhaps $.10 per kWh nationally, here's the plan. Install lots of rooftop solar in California where it is worth $.34 kWh and use that to subsidize the nationwide supercharger network where electricity is on average $.10 kWh. That way the "profit" from California solar can make possible a nation wide supercharger network at little or no long term cost to Tesla. Sounds like a win for everyone, and especially Model S owners!

Kleist | 12 février 2013

@GoTeslaChicago - you got it... SolarCity is Tesla's oil company. It doesn't matter where the solar panels are, if SolarCity creates let's say 6GWh a year and the Tesla fleet uses 2GWh a year then Elon is solar positive.
Also the business model is expandable. What do you do with the large amount of batteries assemblies when they are down to 70%... they have another 10 years of life left. Use them as grid storage - in this application the kWh per kg is not important.

Brian H | 12 février 2013

GTC;
Much as I think CA deserves all it gets for pooching its power system, it's hardly win-win to exploit its FIT rates for the rest of the country. IAC, arrays have to generate power for the local utilities. Sending solar power back and forth across the country is a chimera; the only efficient way to transmit is high voltage AC, not exactly their output. So FIT rates will also be all over the map, literally and financially. But that's the business Solar City is in; leave them to it.

runswithscissor... | 12 février 2013

Strikes me that every service center should have a SC. TM already controls the real estate and MS owners are familiar with the locations. It would also be a nice touch to pick up your MS from the service center with a full charge. With an additional investment in southern Oregon and a SC at every service center, that would just about get the 85kw from Canada to Mexico.

jbunn | 12 février 2013

I think Tesla underestimated the challenge of building out this network. Two things that are important.

Since it takes about 5 to 10 times longer to charge, you eventualy need to have a lot of bays available. Right now there are 5,000 or so cars on the road, and lines for charging. By the end of this year, we'll have 25,000 cars on the road. And a bunch more every year thereafter.

Secondly, charging stations will need to be closer than 150 miles. For example, lets say you enter the highway after 100 miles since the last charge. The nearest one is 50 miles behind you. The one in the direction you are headed is 100 miles ahead. What do you do? Backtrack 100 miles out of your way? Or go forward, and hope you make it? What happens if you get to the next station, and you find it's out of service? Can you make it to the next one?

Having said all that, I realize we are in the first months of the supercharger network. In the three years I've been following Tesla, they have done everything they said they would, and pretty dammed close to schedule and budget. I've been driving my car now for almost two weeks. I consider it a great privilige to have it. I have no doubt the supercharger network will be great when complete, but it is a massive project.

Brian H | 12 février 2013

jbunn;
Your e.g. makes no sense. "100 miles since the last charge. The nearest one is 50 miles behind you." ?? Don't skip superchargers.

jgraessley | 12 février 2013

It's too bad our cars don't talk to each other. If the Nav knows where we're going and it can estimate that we're going to run out of energy before we get there, it's not unreasonable to assume we're going to stop at the supercharger(s) along the way. If all the cars en route were communicating this back to the servers, it might be possible to schedule in such a way that the car could set the cruise control for a speed allowing you to arrive when a spot will be free and helping you determine how long you need to charge to make it to your destination or next supercharger. Automatically creating a reservation at Harris Ranch for the right time would be icing on the cake.

rlpm | 12 février 2013

+1 jgraessley

bradslee | 13 février 2013

Yes, I like the idea that TM, upon MS driver's request, based on TM's data monitoring, sends a message to the driver about the closest SuperCharger location and reserve the order of charging (taking your number of waiting). When your turn is up close, TM sends the message via the car and/or driver' phone so that the driver can drive his/her MS to the next available SuperCharger for charging without worrying to "fight" for a charging station with a fellow MS driver. This will be a true smart and civilized way for MS charging at the limited SuperChargers.

Hills | 17 février 2013

Used the Gilroy Supercharger for the first time today.

Loaction: very close to Sony store, in the C section of the Outlet Mall. There are 4 chargers facing San Ysidro Ave, Between Sony and Gilroy Inn. Someone described location as behind In N Out burger, but Sony is far closer.

Showed up early afternoon, all 4 chargers were in use. The chargers are just part of a parking lot. There are no good ways to wait, no place to line up, no way to tell if the cars are just starting to charge or closed to finished. As more and more Model S hit the road, logistics will become a bigger problem.

GLO | 18 février 2013

TM knows this and is making all CA Superchargers 6 bays each. I've heard soon but no details other than one guy that said 1-2 months. Folsom supercharger is 4 bays though rarely are all 4 full. The two times we've cahrged at Gilroy, the most cars we saw (other than our own) is 2. So we've been lucky so far.

bradslee | 18 février 2013

@Hills,

That is exactly why we have been discussing in other threads that Tesla should consider to implement a reservation system to reserve and notify MS drivers for SuperCharger use.

Michael S | 18 février 2013

They don't need a resurvation system. they just need an integrated console map showing what chargers are in use at any given time, just like ChargePoint and Blink do.

bradslee | 18 février 2013

@Michael,

Though your suggestion will help somewhat, it does not really resolve the issue when there are more MS drivers using the SuperChargers and there will be several MS waiting in lines for charging, it will create a space problem with a place like Gilroy SuperCharger stations. Thus a Tesla managed reservation system would resolve the order of charging in a civilized manner for all MS drivers.

TeslaOwnerBlog | 18 février 2013

Sorry don't know why the image tag didn't take. Check out the blog for details on exact location.

nickjhowe | 18 février 2013

Here you go...

asingla | 18 février 2013

I took the delivery of the car on Sunday at 3pm and drove home (San Carlos, CA). Because of issue with too many cars in the garage, the poor tesla had to stay outside and not plugged in for charging. It dropped from 220 Miles range (Sunday at 6pm) to 207 miles (Monday at 10am) - must be cold in the night.

Anyways, I decided to drive to Carmel for lunch (100 miles each way) and use the Gilroy chargers on the way. In the afternoon (12.15pm or so), I pulled into the slot and there was only 1 car there. Within 10 mins, there were 2 more cars and all the slots were full. I disconnected after 47 miles of charging and moved on to Carmel. In the evening when we were returning around 5pm and all the bays were taken and we could not top it off. In any case, I had enough to drive home - luckily, I charged in the morning or else it will be challenging as I was driving at 70+mph most of the way.

They definitely need a lot more bays and more supercharger locations. In addition, they should do the following for the superchargers:

1) Make it mandatory to use the iOS or Android App to initiate the super-charging - this will allow for integration of the messaging to notify people that they need to move the cars. Also, it will link the car information to the charger.

2) Use a Reservation system and integrate the smartphone notification system to that.

3) Ban the users off the supercharger network if they are abusing the system by not removing the charging cord (and moving the car) - this can be automated because they know the car serial number that is plugged in.

I am sure that they can make it a lot better.

--Ankur

Darmok | 18 février 2013

Used Gilroy today. Nobody was there when we arrived around 2:30. Then two pulled in within minutes. When we left they were full with one waiting. It was my first SC experience and it was great. Then we drove to Harris Ranch, again nobody there. Tejon and Barstow tomorrow.

Brian H | 18 février 2013

TOB;

HTML, not BB.

Kleist | 18 février 2013

amazing - it is free and people are whining. Would you complain if the super market gives away free food and you have to stand in line?

asingla | 18 février 2013

Kleist - dont degenerate the discussion by saying that this is complaining/whining, we are looking for a real solution. I find it funny that you compare this to free food and standing in-line. I definitely did not spend $100K+ to save a few dollars for the SC - I am sure many of us will not mind paying at the SC - these are lifeline for doing long trips. There needs to be a better technical solution till the commercial model for paid supercharging becomes viable.

Brian H | 18 février 2013

Whining in anticipation. The math for n/w access just does not predict numerous "collisions" at plausible frequencies, and any that arise are readily eased with a few (very few) more outlets/units. I'm sure TM/Solar have done their homework on this.

Kleist | 18 février 2013

@asingla - the internet fell from sky over night? Cell phone coverage was installed while you were sleeping one night? Jet age began with the Wright brothers? We landed on the moon once rockets were invented?
End of Sep 2012 the Super Charger concept was introduced to us. Mid Feb 2013 there are not enough, there is no system, there is not this and there is not that. Get real - let TM do what what they promised to do and so far TM is way ahead of schedule.

asingla | 19 février 2013

@Kleist - you are absolutely right that this will take many years to develop and I commend Tesla from making this a reality.

However, if you read my post carefully, I had mentioned technical improvements that can make the current install base more efficient. Also, they should consider making it a commercial venture in order to hasten the deployment. Your comment about that people are whining is "universal" and does not do justice to the suggestions being made. If we all remain fanboys/girls - the company will not flourish to its potential, there needs to be critical thinking.

jkirkebo | 19 février 2013

Tesla could begin with making the SuperCharger usage info public. Make a web page where you can click on any existing SuperCharger and it will show a page telling you how many bays are in use, how many are free, the SOC and charging rate of the cars charging there and est. time remaining for all of them. Also broken charging bays should be reported there.

This info should also be available at the 17" screen, defaulting to the SuperCharger nearest your GPS position. This way you can see approx. when the first car will be finished charging.

Second step could be a "request to charge" button on the 17" screen. This should send a text message to all owners of cars charging, telling them how much charge their car has and that someone is waiting for the charger. Or it could be done with a notification in the app for iPhone/Android users. To be able to charge, everyone should have a valid cell phone number registered in the system.

A statistics page should be provided for each location, giving usage statistics for each time and day period. You can then see in advance how likely it is that a charging bay is free when you arrive.

bradslee | 19 février 2013

@jkirkebo, I think what you have suggested is exactly what Tesla should consider to implement now. With more MS onto the road, this issue, if not handled we'll, could become the Broder Second in those biased media eyes.

Brian H | 19 février 2013

All this "Waiting in Line For A Supercharger" anxiety and planning is much ado about almost nothing. You'll see.

nvjx | 19 février 2013

Brian H | FEBRUARY 19, 2013
All this "Waiting in Line For A Supercharger" anxiety and planning is much ado about almost nothing. You'll see.

It is nothing if you are not the one waiting in line to get somewhere.

Michael S | 19 février 2013

@asingla@gmail.com:

Charging suggestion: The Salinas/101 charger at the Rabo Bank is a j1772, but its high amperage as it used to be a roadster charger. Charged there many times in my roadster. Works great (1 mile a minute) with the Model S, as well. Plus there's a Pollo Loco right there...

shs | 19 février 2013

Will the standard Tesla supplied J1772 adaptor (and twin chargers) handle 70 amps?

Michael S | 19 février 2013

Oooohh yeah, no problem. Cool thing too is that the Leaf can't handle the amps, so you won't see any of them taking up the space.
Sorry Leafers ;-).

Those Rabo Bank Chargers are also located all up and down 101.

shs | 19 février 2013

@Michael S,

That is great. We are currently refinancing with Rabo and are likely to move all our banking there. The fact that they have partnered with Solar City on putting in charging stations and commercial solar and are trying to be known as the bank promoting sustainability is one more plus for them. I live in central California and there do seem to be Rabobanks with charging stations on some of the routes I am likely to drive, e.g to the coast!

Michael S | 19 février 2013

@shs:

Rabo Bank Charger locations:
Salinas
Atascadero
SLO (Downtown Garage) free to charge, but not to park.
Santa Maria
Goleta

Don't think I forgot any...

Alex K | 19 février 2013

@Michael S | FEBRUARY 19, 2013: Cool thing too is that the Leaf can't handle the amps, so you won't see any of them taking up the space.

Current isn't pushed down the throat of an EV with the J1772 EVS standard. The EVS informs the car about the maximum current available and the car takes as much as it wants up to the maximum. So sorry, but Leafs can charge at any J1772 EVS. Also, some of the 2013 Leafs can charge at 6.6kW, so they are more likely to show up.

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