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More Passenger Compartment Storage Space Please

Can anyone give the latest from the rumor mill on plans to give the MS some usable storage space in the passenger compartment? Map pockets in the doors, closable box on the floor beneath the screen, etc? I am a reservation holder who thought that the center console that has the front cupholders was for storage (btw, why no back cupholders in the same console?), but one of my friends told me it is a non-usable bump with HVAC vents in it. It would be nice if we had some semi-concealable space for phone charger cable, radar detector, purell, change for the meter, sunglasses, tissues, mcdonald's ketchup packs, etc. The glove box is, well, a glove box..... The way this car rockets,

brooklynrab | 23 décembre 2012

[finishing off last statement]...my stuff will be flying all over the place.

bobinfla | 23 décembre 2012

I have no data on what or when Tesla will be doing something, but you can take a look at soflauthor's project: teslaccessories.com

jat | 23 décembre 2012

Tesla has talked about an "opportunity console", but I think generally Elon is opposed to such things so I think you aren't going to ever get door pockets, handles above the doors, or much center console storage.

You may want to look at aftermarket products like the CCI from Soflauthor.

nickjhowe | 23 décembre 2012

'opportunity console' and 'cci insert'; not necessarily two different things - or so the rumors have it

brooklynrab | 23 décembre 2012

You may be right but I hope you are wrong. If the Tesla is to successfully diversify beyond the most zealous, they are going to have to appeal to a broader audience that has a lot of options. The Model S has to compete with fit and finish and amenities of some superb automobiles in this price range, cars that are not exactly slouches behind the wheel either, and have an easier and more available refueling infrastructure to deal with. I'm not saying that lack of a door pocket or a grab handle or a coat hook is a deal killer, but you start adding those convenience items up with other things that are missing here but omnipresent on luxury and near luxury (and not so luxury) cars today, like parking indicators, blind spot detectors, adaptive cruise control, etc.., and you are going to lose some sales (not everyone with $80K to spend on a car cares about electricity vs gas, and they are usually smart enough to understand that over a normal 4-5 year new luxury car ownership period, the savings on fuel are not going to really compensate for the price premium of a MS). These are not compromises to some pedestrian lowest common denominator vision of automobiles, but simply convenience features people want. Simply put, every sale Tesla loses to a BMW or an Audi means a Tesla that is that much less viable for the rest of us...

Sorry for getting on a high horse about this, but I want this company to succeed very much, and to do that, we must get beyond the market represented by died-in-the-wool Koolaid drinkers. Elon, PLEASE make some very minor compromises to your vision, for all of our sakes. You want your car to be user friendly like an Apple device? Give me some of these convenience items we are missing.

jandkw | 23 décembre 2012

brooklynrab, I cannot agree with you more. Customer satisfaction is what Tesla should do, not personal ego. We want interior storage.

Pungoteague_Dave | 23 décembre 2012

brooklynrab +1

People who use their cars for longer drives than commuting need to stay hydrated, chew gum, blow their noses, etc. Cup holders and cubbies to accomodate the way we live today are no longer luxuries. Same for the other stuff we use - design purity is fine in concept cars.

The great thing about the S is its combination of performance, design, and practical elements that are key to its awards and acceptance. Theres a reason most of the reviews say "great car, unfinished interior". Accepting the practical requirements for passenger comfort isn't just about seat, sound, and HVAC quality, all of which are great in the S - complete design also recignizes the fact that modern people have other needs that must be served with some accomodation in the modern vehicle.

In some respects, the Models S interior is like the Bauhaus design ethos so often seen in ultra-modern houses - great design, but not so good at recignizing the human element - the paper tissues and televisions that are never seen in Archtecural Digest have to go somewhere when real people move in. Steve Jobs was also heavilly influenced by Bauhaus design, and sometimes intentionally left out key functionality because they interefered withhis ideas about design purity. In most cases these details were added in later models, something that I suspect economic pressure will also force onto the Tesla executive suite.

Don't like the little bumper buttons associated with proximity sensors? Who would? But the answer isn't to leave out standard functionality available on all Prius models since 1993 just for the sake of design. The answer is to either re-create the technology to gain the feature, or compromise the design for practial reasons. Plenty of $100K cars have proximity sensors on their bumpers.

noel.smyth | 23 décembre 2012

brooklynrab + 1
p_dave +1

agree with both on this topic.. Elon, please don't limit the customer base to us zealots as there are only so many of of!

dborn @nsw.au | 23 décembre 2012

+1. A more conventional interior please!

JohnQ | 23 décembre 2012

I originally felt the same way about the minimalist interior and its lack of storage. Then I realized that this is a huge blank canvas that can be customized to my needs. If I want a center console, I can put one in. If I want a removable console for the back seat, I can put one in. If I prefer to carry a cooler that plugs into the 12V outlet and place it in the floor in back, that option is available to me. I know look at it as an opportunity to have what I want rather than have the manufacturer decide for me. Alright, I can't really put in door pockets very easily but I never use them in my current car anyway. Or, I can enjoy an uncluttered interior that allows me to focus on the road and the drive.

As for the luxury technology (adaptive cruise, parking sensors, blind spot alerts, etc), I can't comment intelligently. I don't have it now (2003 A4) and really don't miss them.

DouglasR | 23 décembre 2012

@Pungoteague_Dave,

It is somewhat ironic that you use Steve Jobs as an example of an executive whose design philosophy interfered with the functionality of his products and had to be corrected by subsequent changes. Jobs built the most successful company on the planet. Time and again the company flourished when put his hands on it and declined when he pulled back.

I personally would like some additional storage and similar amenities in my car, but that doesn't mean that TM has erred by not including them. After all, I bought the car without them. Maybe I'll trade it in in a few years in order to get Model S 2.0 that has cup holders and coat hooks. Have you noticed how many people trade in a perfectly good iPhone in order to get one with Siri or some other minor tweak? There is plenty of demand for the Model S today, a car that will probably last a long time. I don't know whether TM left out these conveniences because of Elon's Bauhaus ethos, because of the budget and scheduling constraints needed to get this car out the door quickly and at its promised price, or because TM wanted to save some goodies to entice us back for version 2.0.

I do have a question about the existing center console, however. It is big and it sounds pretty hollow when you tap on it. Is anything in there other than a channel for the rear air vents? It does feel

DouglasR | 23 décembre 2012

Oops: last sentence should read "It does feel like wasted space."

KMN | 23 décembre 2012

Just picked up our Model S and can absolutely say that it NEEDS the things detailed in this post. Drives like a DREAM, but no place for my daughter's spare inhaler, a hairbrush or the Fastrak transponder. The glove compartment is small. And I REALLY miss my blind spot assist!

I don't mind accessories, or opportunity/after market items but the storage NEEDS to be there in today's world!

The safety issues/Blind Spot assist are something that should be on the Model X if they want me to buy it.

brooklynrab | 23 décembre 2012

I am gratified that I am not alone and petty in my opinion on this subject. I would bet that if we did a poll of current MS drivers, that a majority of them would opt for a bit of functionality. I have confidence that if we all speak our opinions on this subject, that Tesla will listen. They are a bright group of people, and we are all pulling in the same direction -- for Tesla to thrive, not just to be an enthusiasts' science experiment.
Elon, even if you offered these basic things as a no cost option so that you can maintain the "purity" of your design for those who see things the same as you do, it would go a long way for us.

shs | 23 décembre 2012

The problem is that many of us will find our own ad hoc solutions to these issues, and those solutions will likely not be as well designed and therefore safe, functional, attractive and consistent with the overall cabin design as if it were done properly by Tesla.

wbrown01 | 23 décembre 2012

I was wondering if under the rear seats there was enough space to place a laptop. I could lean back rise the seat put my biefcase there and not in the truck where the whole world can see you. Unlike an ICE, there should be room there.

brooklynrab | 23 décembre 2012

...and further to SHS's point, for $80,000, we shouldn't have to find our own ad hoc solutions, the need for which will only deter some potential MS buyers who feel they aren't paying that price to be hassled, or worse, who misconstrue style purity for indifference to customers.

Brian H | 24 décembre 2012

Some appear to be writing as if Tesla needed to do more to appeal to more people. There's no evidence of that so far. It may come, but it's not yet...

dr.jacks.tesla | 24 décembre 2012

Wow guys, the reason I am buying a Tesla is because it is not an overly bloated car made for the masses! It is built to be a drivers car and exciting features. BMW used to be the "ultimate driving machines" until they started to build for the masses and their profits have skyrocketed but even the M's feel soft. Go drive one and you'll see. I have a Navigator that has parking sensors and I appreciate it on such a huge truck only so my wife doesn't ding or dent the vehicle! Otherwise if you really are purchasing this car for the correct reasons it is a 4 door sports car all electric and I usually stay ahead of traffic with my 400+ hp Audi and no need for blind spot sensors since you really should be aware of everything around you on the road. Maybe you all should take defensive driving classes since that will teach you to always be aware of your surroundings to avoid others! If you take this safety precaution then you don't need lane departure and other safety gizmos however there are too many people driving while distracted that these things seem like they should be standard safety.
Just my two cents.

jat | 24 décembre 2012

When you are a startup, you have to be razor-focused on getting a viable product out the door. Often, what you choose to leave out is just as important as what you choose to put in. You can't afford to offer lots of options for customizability because you probably aren't doing any one thing particularly well, and you spread yourself too thin.

So while personally I want lots of storage spaces in the car, handles above the door, fabric choices besides black, etc, I fully support their choice to pick one way of doing it and execute well on that. I will buy a CCI or make my own if I am not happy with the result.

Later, when they get to the GenIII and need to satisfy a more diverse audience or possibly even after they exhaust the early adopters for the Model S, they will need to cater to individual choices more.

Apple hasn't had trouble selling computers, tablets and phones with the "if you don't like it this way, don't buy it" approach. Granted, eventually they are losing out on market share to Android partly because it is more open and customizable, but that doesn't mean that they can't sell plenty of iDevices at a substantial premium.

Getting Amped Again | 24 décembre 2012

I'm getting my Model S in March/April. I want TM to succeed because I believe in the vision of electric vehicles, like the idea of the jobs TM is creating, and want to be able to sell my car in three years (and probably buy the current version S).

However, I'm convinced that if it becomes a big success, BMW, Lexus, etc. will create direct competition, and you can bet they will make great vehicles that contain the tech features and amenities of their ICE cars.

I'm fine that my Model S is lacking in some features and amenities that I'm used to, but I think it would be unwise of TM to neglect these items in the next generation Model S.

Brian H | 24 décembre 2012

"If I know Elon Musk", there's probably a few wee rabbits under his chapeau, nibbling the lettuce growing there. There will be some new ground broken at the "right" time, which will leave the competition sucking air.

Robert22 | 24 décembre 2012

"Right" better be fairly soon then, because they can't afford to lose the women. My last conversation:

Me: Could you see yourself in this car?
Her: It's great looking but there's no place for my stuff.
Me: Storage options will be coming.
Her: I want my Audi.

Robert22 | 24 décembre 2012

"Right time" rather....

shs | 24 décembre 2012

We took another couple in for a test drive recently and her reaction to seeing the interior and the space between front seats was "What a wonderful place to put my purse". So the interior works for some.

philco | 24 décembre 2012

Brooklynrab +1
P_dave +1

I totally agree. I reserved a car in Europe, but my final decision about buying the car will depend on how it compares to other cars on the market like BMW and Porsche. I have really gotten used to the parking sensors of which I used to think some 10 years ago they were gadgets. The rear camera in my current car is useless most of the time since I don't live in California but in Belgium. After driving for 2 days (these days after a few minutes after the car wash because of the very wet conditions for the past 10 days) you can be certain that the cameralens is completely dirty from driving on wet roads and it is impossible to see anything on the computerscreen of my car.
Adaptive cruise controle: I started to love this option on my current car.
As for the storage space: please I am on the road quite a lot and do prefer to be able to store tissues, gum, charge mobile phone, etc. in a nicely designed console from Tesla matching the rest of the interior rather than some retrofit amateuristic thing that disfigures the beautiful interior. For as far as Tesla reads and listens to these forums: thank you for taking these thoughts into consideration and taking action on these genuine concerns

Robert22 | 24 décembre 2012

A Tesla CCI is not expected for at least several months per ownership experience. I was encouraged to check out soflauthor's highly regarded CCI candidate.

shs | 25 décembre 2012

Does anyone know if there is a screen protector available for the 17". Not exactly storage space, but close.

nickjhowe | 25 décembre 2012

Just did a quick google and here's one for $4 on Amazon for a 17" widescreen display. Not sure if the touch screen will be affected. http://www.amazon.com/17-Widescreen-Screen-Protector-Film/dp/B004ORBLYY

shs | 25 décembre 2012

Is the Tesla Display 16x9?

Tiebreaker | 25 décembre 2012

Brian H +1
dr.jacks.tesla +1
jat@jaet.org +1

All: Don't forget, you do not have to buy the Model S. It is meant for about 20,000 people a year worldwide. You may not be one of them.

Tesla needs to deliver a flawless car that is primarily a car and drives like the best car. It also needs to be profitable. When/if the big guys start making competing EV cars at the same price point, they may also find it is necessary to sacrifice some living-room amenities.

My 1984 BMW 325e had NO cupholders. I was driving circles around the cars that had them, grinning. One day I hope to do the same in a Tesla...

Mel. | 25 décembre 2012

Tiebreaker, well put.

Maybe, some people who are now driving mini vans, are considering the S, my advice to them is wait for the X, which will a fantastic vehicle.

Mel. | 25 décembre 2012

Missing the be

jillalameda | 25 décembre 2012

Another vote here for more storage. I don't care much about cup holders or map pockets, but this will be my main commute car and I need a place where I can store and hide my ugly stuff - FastTrack, folding umbrella, sunglasses, ice scraper, etc. It seems ironic that a car as big as the S won't have any more interior storage than our tiny sports car. This is a sedan, after all.

I have my reservation in and love almost everything else about this car (except the excessive width), but should I wait until this problem is addressed?

Robert22 | 25 décembre 2012

See if this and a cargo shelf fits the bill:

teslaccessories.com

Robert22 | 25 décembre 2012
Getting Amped Again | 25 décembre 2012

Interesting how posters go to "cup holders" when the real topic is interior storage space. It's an oversight that needs to be addressed.

Not a minivan driver, never have been one......

EcLectric | 25 décembre 2012

I would like to remind you of all the trouble Tesla had from something as insignificant as a lighted visor mirror. Every time some doodad is added to the car, it:

- makes the car heavier
- decreases range
- adds another supplier that can be late or have quality issues
- gives people another thing to nit-pick about
- has to match nicely with all the acailable interior options (carbon fiber coin tray, anyone?)

Tesla couldn't be sure what the EPA range was going to be when they were designing the interior. They had important constraints and had to minimize anything else that might torpedo the effort to get the car out on time and meeting those important constraints.

That being said, I think the next version of the car will have 'oh sh-t' handles in the back seats. The Model S accelerates strongly in all directions, and right now, the passengers in back are helpless to keep themselves upright with a relatively flat seat and nothing to hold on to. It's hard to put these handles on the side bar outboard of the panoramic roof - they would hit the passenger or sit in their line of vision. Maybe they could be in the depression that contains the sunroof - sticking out inboard from the side bar.

Brian H | 26 décembre 2012

If it were, that would be a 18.3" diagonal.

Getting Amped Again | 26 décembre 2012

@EcLectric - I don't think pockets in the lower part of the front doors would have created an insurmountable design problem for the TM engineers. I think it's more likely that Elon Musk has some aversion to them, or they wanted the interior width to be the largest in its class (wild guess).

As you point out, the OS handles are probably the biggest oversight, as they are essential when elderly or physically challenged people enter the rear seats (have a 92 year-old mom). In fact, I'm kind of surprised they're not required by the ADA legislation.

My hat is off to TM, as it truly looks like they try to address the major issues that are presented on this forum. I can't imagine any other car company that would do the same.

Oliver in Seattle | 1 janvier 2013

The pockets in front of the front seats are actually pretty good for cell phone, charge cords, ice scraper, inhaler, parking cards, etc.

Getting Amped Again | 1 janvier 2013

@Oliver in Seattle - I feel stupid, I didn't even know there were pockets below the front seats! I'll take some photos and post them.

Oliver in Seattle | 1 janvier 2013

@GAS: Apparently it's a pretty well kept secret.

Getting Amped Again | 1 janvier 2013

@Oliver in Seattle - well I feel like an idiot because I thought the only storage was the glove box and the cubby under the display. Are these sliding drawers?

Oliver in Seattle | 1 janvier 2013

No, they are more like a fabric pouch on the vertical part of the front seat (below your knees). They are like the map pouches that used to be on the doors of older cars (early 70s era, before molded plastic panels).

I'm wondering if they were planning on activating the pockets in a future software update ;). My delivery specialist Andrew Wyman in Seattle showed them to me, along with how to escape when the mob locks you in the trunk. No mention in the manual.

jmatson | 1 janvier 2013

I really like the interior. The ambient light in the doors below the armrest looks really cool. My wife likes to put her purse in the non console area. With the big screen and steering wheel controls, everything is in reach. Small items that I may need while driving go in the cubby under the screen or on the floor non console. The cup holders are adequate. I don't want anyone with a big gulp from 7-11 spilling in the back seat. I don't like a messy interior with personal junk spread everywhere. We got the gray leather which looks really sharp with the black dash.

EcLectric | 1 janvier 2013

Thanks guys! I didn't know about those pockets either!

mdennick | 1 janvier 2013

Here are pictures of the pockets from the LA Drive event (I'm not sure the seats are exactly that same in production but good example).

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/23888057_qHfFSb#!i=1937722192&k=XV58tQN&l...

markapeterman | 1 janvier 2013

Also an image of the pockets on a recent delivery in this thread:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/12303-Todd-Burch-s-Delivery-(S)tory/page3

TheAustin | 1 janvier 2013

I too am looking forward to seeing what (if any) viable after market storage options become available. Of course, I am aware of (and am on the waiting list for) the Teslaccessories CCI, but I have to say, the more I look at it, the more I think that's it's a huge box on the outside that just isn't going to hold much on the inside, especially given the amount of space that is available there...And we've seen photos of the framework, which is huge, so it's no surprise that there is limited space available inside. It's got a single cup holder (there is enough available space that it should include two), a phone holder/charging area that is horribly located (you can't see your phone in it while driving, and I don't care what you say, most people want to be able to glance at their phone while driving without hunting for it in a poorly located cubby at their lower side, outside the normal field of view for it), and a pretty small covered storage area (that, given the size of the available area, should be twice the size). I just am not convinced that it has enough storage to make it worth the price.

And before you point out that we don't yet know the price for the CCI, we have been told that it will be less than the paint armor option...But that's a $1,500 item, so unless the CCI is at most a quarter of the price of the paint armor, that's going to be a very expensive, very large single cup/phone/sunglass holder.

Now, I know that there are a lot of people that are keen on the CCI, and I'm not saying that it is not a viable, even useful product...It is nicely designed, and it will certainly provide better storage options than what is currently there (i.e. nothing)...But, with it being to only item currently being (publicly) developed, and with nothing else to compare it to (short of nothing), I'm just pointing out that, for all of the available space that the area between the seats has, I don't think that the CCI makes the best use of that space. And furthermore, and I don't think the price is going to make it a worthwhile purchase. If it was $200 range, and there were no other available products, I'd happily have it over nothing. But for $400? $500? $800? I don't know...That's where it gets to the point of being a lot of money for something that just doesn't do enough. I'd gladly pay $500-$800 for a CCI that made better use of the available space. But I just don't think I feel comfortable going anywhere near that high for the CCI as it is now, with its large size and limited functionality.

For those of you interested in the CCI, I'm interested...What would you pay for it? Regardless of if you agree with me or not, what would you say your maximum cost threshold is for the CCI? I'm at $200-$300.

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